As of today in the US hardly 10-15% of the nations power demand is met using nuclear fuel Don't you think US could have gone atleast 50% nuclear
But why is US insisting on developing nations to use nuclear power,following are the answers.
1) US has gained sufficient expertise in nuclear technology ,and see it as a new line of business to make money.No wonder it will be american companies who will build our reactors. (The Govt needs to have a clause of we build we maintain....who knows what the sardar has signed.)
2)Why hasen't US gone full nuclear,its because reactors are like ticking time bombs if they are not well looked after,and they have lot of problems with the nuclear waste (treating & dumping) it.
3) Rising oil prices will be under control if developing economies like India & China use nuclear energy.This will curb the power of the rebellious islamic nations.
Its not that US is generous and wants to help India.It does have a hidden agenda.
RE:sugar coated poison
by s b on Jul 12, 2008 03:35 AM Permalink
So what is wrong in having an agenda. You don't buy a car because the car manufacturer has an agenda? m0r0ns should learn 101 economics be4 spewing stupidity in these boards. To your specific points: 1. US is 3rd largest producer or oil and its import is only because of exhorbitant consumption. So, it is not like India which has almost zero production of crude oil. So we cannot have similar ratio of energy from oil as the US. For one US gets 25% its power from Coal and we get more than 65%. Why because we have coal and they do not..
2. Nuclear waste is insignificant compared to thermal waste - ash, pollution, green house, global warming.
3. Oil pricing impacts US but it impacts India even more. See the value of Re vs Dollar since the rise. Dollar has fallen globally, but Re decline has been sharper.
Your logic of we not using nuclear energy because it helps US is like you not controlling fire in your house hoping that your neightbors house will also catch fire. Typical commie! Gadhe hain sab.
Apne ghar mein tel hay hee nahi, let us be 3rd world country, but US should not be benefitted.
RE:RE:sugar coated poison
by Philo on Jul 12, 2008 04:52 AM Permalink
yeah.. i hope your kids live next to the nuclear plant and when there is a radiation leakage I hope they are maimed and you will die a painful death lookign at your kids who wont have eyes and then balls and then hair
RE:sugar coated poison
by Reporter on Jul 12, 2008 03:55 AM Permalink
2. Nuclear waste is insignificant compared to thermal waste - ash, pollution, green house, global warming
I dont agree with this point. Most of the people make such statements. But Nuclear waste is DEADLY WASTE, more serious than CO2 and other emissions.
If a disaster occur in a normal power plant, we can do something to make the locality habitable.
But a nuclear disaster can make that area uninhabitable until the radio active nuclear waste is inactive and it can take may be hundreds of years.
Take the exmple of Chernobyl nuclear disaster in 1986. The city is still mostly uninhabited due to radioactivity.
In order to meet the rising demand for energy, invite private companies to build power plants based on conventional fuels and new renewable sources ....
If well designed power plants in the capacity of reliance refinery in jamnagar comes up in south north east and west of India, we can solve the demand, may be in 5 years time . Anybody there to bet ???
If u go for nuclear plants, it is 100000 % sure that private parties will not be involved, investemnt to be made by the govt. Where is the money for it ??? ( They cant even subsidise oil or fertilizers ) So it will be on loan from world bank or IMF ...... how many years for construction and commissioning ??? Safe storage of nuclear waste generated ( high level and low level wastes) and finally disposal of the same safely for hundreds of years
RE:sugar coated poison
by ethnic cleanser on Jul 12, 2008 03:47 AM Permalink
reply to foul mouthed guys.....
1.Who says..nuclear waste is insignificant..I dont think you know science,It cannot be destroyed fully.Only way is to sit on it and get harmful radiation.
RE:sugar coated poison
by Raj Reddy on Jul 12, 2008 08:21 AM Permalink
And what do you think generating power using Coal will solve your problems?? What a Jackass you and that Reporter.
You pack them both along with the Nuclear waste and put it underground between 10 ft thick concrete walls laced with lead. There is no nuclear radiation, instead of spewing tons of CO2 and Sulphur into the atmosphere as these geniuses want.
RE:sugar coated poison
by huzefa hakimi on Jul 12, 2008 04:27 AM Permalink
Agree that USA is not generous as uncle Sam always see their profit first. But lets also evaluate what is our nations best interest also.
Following is bread down of electric power generation statistics using various energy resources from Energy Information Administration (Official Energy Statistics by US Government) per month as of July 10, 2008: - Coal 50.7% - Nuclear 19.7% (way above 10-15%) - Natural Gas 19.2% - Hydro Conventional 6.2% - Other Energy Sources 3.1% - Petroleum 1.2%
Of this, in last 50 years (from inception of Nuclear technology) a good chunk of the power production investment has been made to nuclear reactors via which currently USA is generating about 20% of energy from nuclear power plant. Most of the other power generation unit from other sources had been build based on thermal, hydro or petro energy sources were prior to nuclear technology.
Also it is in past 3 to 4 years hydrocarbon fuel prices have started sky rocketing, thanks to uncle Sam for this. Seeing this US Congress last year passed bill to build 8 more reactors for power production.
Below is list of countries currently building new nuclear power plants for power generation (source wikipedia): Brazil, Argentina, China, Russia, Ukraine, France, Iran and South Korea. Canada, Australia, Indonesia, UAE, Oman, Qatar, Turkey, and Libya are considering building new nuclear power plants (for some it will be first).
Regarding oil consumption, following are countries which consume oil in order
RE:sugar coated poison
by CatchTwentyTwo on Jul 12, 2008 05:22 AM Permalink
Thanks for those figures. One more very important thing to note is that the consumption of power is way above what India uses.
So, if you are saying 19% of it is nuclear, heck, with that 19% we could light up many many million homes over. So, there!
RE:sugar coated poison
by greatrr on Jul 12, 2008 03:41 AM Permalink
dude - japan is 99% nuclear power based, what india could do is to get out of US dependence for nuclear fuel. Calling generating nuke power as a dumb idea is actually dumb
RE:RE:sugar coated poison
by s b on Jul 12, 2008 03:44 AM Permalink
totally agree. Some of these duffers will read some article without context and start padoing here.
RE:sugar coated poison
by huzefa hakimi on Jul 12, 2008 04:28 AM Permalink
cont ...Regarding oil consumption, following are countries which consume oil in order (top ten): United States(20,730,000 bbl/day), China(6,534,000 bbl/day), Japan(5,578,000 bbl/day), Germany (2,650,000 bbl/day), Russia(500,000 bbl/day), India(2,450,000 bbl/day - sixth position), Canada(2,294,000 bbl/day), South Korea(2,149,000 bbl/day), Brazil(2,100,000 bbl/day), France(1,970,000 bbl/day). If you see all the top ten oil consuming are building new nuclear reactors.
So after knowing this does it make sense for India to go for nuclear technology? The biggest obstacle for India for nuclear energy generation is the nuclear fuel and so as to get that approval from NSG is important.
I will say India has taken a good move and in 10-15 years from now we will start seeing full benefits of treaty by when most of the nuclear power in India under this treaty will become operational again.
RE:sugar coated poison
by ravdeepak cheema on Jul 12, 2008 03:22 AM Permalink
US is not charity nation as u wrote. but India need energy and Nuclear energy is the best alternate.India recently consumes oil less than japan and at par with Korea.Matter of the fact is ,India need much more energy to retain the momentum of growth.so this deal is also in Indiaz favour
RE:sugar coated poison
by ethnic cleanser on Jul 12, 2008 03:29 AM Permalink
Yes,I do agree that we need it,and US is smart enough to dangle the carrot in front of us at the right moment.It totally depends on the leadership on how we negotiate the deal and tip the odds in India's favour.
My only fear is that we should not get excessively reliant on US technology and should inherently build it and maintain it.(We don't want the US Marines to guard our nuclear installations..)
RE:RE:sugar coated poison
by s b on Jul 12, 2008 03:43 AM Permalink
Ama gadhey, Don't we dangle the carrrot of cheap software to US? This is globalization, you buy things from geographies which are good in that area. Obviously national security needs to be taken care of. Thats why manufacturing in China, cars in Japan, IP in US etc. Now, India is one of 15 nuclear capable countries (if including civil nuclear tech). It has all the reasons to take leadership in this area. In fact India has made big strides in this, but has been stymied in some areas like centrifuges (in nukes) and cryogenics (in misslies). So signing this agreement will give us a channel at least in civic areas.
Please note that this agreement is MORE about fuel and less about technology. Please tell me where in agreement it is written that we HAVe to buy technology from US? In fact Australians are drooling at the idea of selling us technology, but they are waiting for this deal also.
Isiliye partner, do not talk without sufficient data. Pahle research fir bakbak
RE:Next super power : India
by s b on Jul 12, 2008 03:49 AM Permalink
Ama yaar gadhe waali baat kar dee na? If we do not have fuel, what can we do? This deal is about fuel import, less about technology. We already have reactors running at part capacity because of fuel constrains.
I'm not sure "spine" is the apt word to use here... I think MMS showed great political maturity (unlike the left, who opposes everything that does not involve China and BJP who only talks about balls and not much about brian).
RE:Finally, Congress party showed some spine
by Sahadevan KK on Jul 12, 2008 11:20 AM Permalink
A lot of Sardars danced at Cochin city, when MMS became PM. But they are now desparate. He could not save Sardars, our country; Congress leaders and Congress cadres. Where is Bhagat Singh and where is Manmohan Singh!
Congress could,at last,dispel the global fears that the present Indian Govt cannot do any worthwhile -more so cannot venture to take such a bold decision risking its own very existence. India proved to the world that,despite political vicissitudes nation does not lag behind in visualising things which benefit it a large. While Pakisthan's jealousy over our being benefitted by the deal has already become conspicious,China too must be feeling the same-even more for that matter-in its heart of heart.It must have been rejoicing that its comrades in India are fulfilling their desire.It is inconceivable when we think that these communists are able to appreciate fully the achievements of China which could be possible with sophistication of every walk of their life only through such deals WHILE they raise a hue & cry against them in India. There are no greater hypocrites than communists in the world.They are forgetting that,their one single step of withdrawing the support on a frivolous reason of the deal not suiting their so called ideology,is going to erase all the failures follies of Congress & making the latter a hero from zero.Strange are the ways of politics!!The Lady Luck appears to be chuckling at the cats on the fence desirous of testing their fortune in such circumstances.Congress too knows the strength of such elements,but cannot escape paying price & keeping them in good humour.Not only in sex & war,but now in politics too,every thing appears fair.God save the country!!
RE:RE:Foreigners hold wrong impression about Indian govt
by ethnic cleanser on Jul 12, 2008 03:10 AM Permalink
the chinese are smart people ..they are playing the wait and watch game.
RE:Foreigners hold wrong impression about Indian govt
by Reporter on Jul 12, 2008 02:07 AM Permalink
No.... pakisthan and china will be happy because they dont have to drop a nuclear bomb in India in case of a war. They can just drop a normal bomb in one or two nuclear plants in India....
RE:Foreigners hold wrong impression about Indian govt
by Partha Choudhury on Jul 12, 2008 02:11 AM Permalink
So the safest thing for India would be to go back to the stone age?
RE:WHAT MADE PAKIS SO BOLD UNDER BJP RULE? - BJP DIVIDES INDIA...
by trikarn on Jul 12, 2008 07:14 PM Permalink
really the sikh riots assam imbroglio licking the left boots howwzat
See the news in bbc website today. It's regarding the decommissioning of one of their nuclear plants at Sellafield.
'' Group up for �17bn Sellafield job
A consortium, including the UK's Amec, has been named as the government's preferred choice to clean up and run the Sellafield nuclear site in Cumbria.
The �1.3bn a year contract could be worth �17bn - more than the cost of the London Olympics - to Amec, Washington International and France's Areva.
A Westminster report out on Thursday claimed it could take more than 100 years to make the site safe.
It would be awarded initially for a period of five years with the potential of further extension periods to a total of 17 years. ''
It is just decommissioning. Think of the cost involved in construction and operations , fuel, potential risk of a nuclear disaster etc etc
These amounts cannot be estimated now because we dont know the price we have to pay for these services in the future because of more stringent regulations in future.
We may have to depend on international experts ( Americans !!! ) in all these activities. So there is no wonder why Americans are very much interested in helping India to meet our energy demands.
Good samaritans. Praying to God to offer them Royal suites in heaven when they leave this world & saint hood by church.
Expecting some positive & neutral criticism, and not politically biased.
RE:Do we need nuclear plants ???
by Partha Choudhury on Jul 12, 2008 02:17 AM Permalink
John henry said... "We don't need no stinking steam-powered drilling machine to drill a hole in the rock! All you need is a hammer and a strong arm!"
But later we did good with steam powered, and eventually electricity powered drills...
The Bill is not going to pass this congress as there is no time an it will go on and on ...Indian Slaves waiting for America to say Yes ...adopt an independent foreign policy.... How many other countries in the world will do an agreement and word it so that American Govt will approve it :-) Shame on you Manmohan you have Sold the country ...last time when you were finance minister you sold it by signing the WTO agreement.
RE:why cant we have our own policy ?
by Bharat Kr on Jul 12, 2008 01:48 AM Permalink
MM Singh will be given honorary doctorates by the Harvard and MIT ..., they promised it. Only he have to finish the deal, which will make India US slaves for a infinite time. Recently he was given honorary doctorates by the Oxford or Cambridge, where he offerd mouthful praise to British for invading, colonising and ruling India for 190 years. He said, that was a good experiment for India.
RE:why cant we have our own policy ?
by ravi sharma on Jul 12, 2008 05:33 AM Permalink
British colonising India was not totally bad. They brought lot of good things, like English language etc.
You should be kidding to say that cong showed spine ! Had cong have some spine it should have showed it by going ahead with the deal 6 months back. Now they know that nothing is going to happen even if left widraws the support as its only 6 months left for the elections and even if it becomes a minority govt PM will coninue as a care taker. So this show of spine and all those exaggerated statements are out of place. Also undersytand a fact that N deal had nothing to do with cong - left seperation. Even when they formed the govt together in 2004 they knew that they cannt approach 09 elections as allies in WB and Ker. So this is just an exit plan worked out in between them. Had it not been N deal left would have taken up inflation or some other matter for convenience to pull out. Manmohan can be the PM for another 6 months as in anycase NDA is going to be in power come Apr-May 09.
