Our intelligence is shoved in where the sun does not shine. Why not publish it? Or is it too RAW. i.e. no intelligence.
Talk is cheap. Talk Talk is cheaper.
As per my Pakistani colleague, there is always substantial evidence that India is linked to all catastrophies in mid and southern Pakistan.
Do we exchange this intelligence to fill up bottle caps for target practice.
Karzai already said it that Pakistan is responsible. However, like India, his dilated crotch does no longer state the proof has been provided to the US State Department.
I wonder what US or Israel would have done should their consulate in Burkina Faso be bombed and intelligence was available. Definitely more than India would have done on firm evidence that their parliament was attacked.
Does RTI work here? I think more would happen should raw provide the people of India the information.
We simply talk in Delhi or in some other major city in a comfortable environment that this and that country has caused bomb balst at kabul. After knowing what are we doing? When an Embassy is attacked it is like waging a war against a nation. Congress should be ashamed of continuing in office without protesting and attacking pakistan. Americans waged a war when their landmark was attacked and we keep quiet even when our Embassy is attacked. It is a stange thing.
RE:Do we have courage -No?
by Joseph George on Jul 13, 2008 02:09 PM Permalink
Congress and Shame??? Rajendra you are a very very confused. I am more closely related to Mullah Omar than the congress is associated with honor and such like.
RE:Do we have courage -No?
by Rajiv on Jul 13, 2008 02:04 PM Permalink
Actually people who attaked our embassy did not claim that they did...As u say the case of US..when WTC was attacked Al-Qaeda claimed the attack so they have a reason to wage a war against Afghanistan....
It is amazing that a premier forum like rediff allows the call for murder of a section of indians, on its site.
If not for concern for muslims atleast the perception of India, that radiates thus, should be cared for. Reading it anyone outside would assume that India is about to head for a civil war. Btw this is for events that are happennig in Kabul!
Where there are muslims along with other communities, all over the world, there is always trouble. Why on earth are the thais, filipinos, americans , russians, chinese, indians, jews,germans, britishers, danes and other europeans, bahais, assyrians, armenians, and many other nations having trouble with the muslims.
They don't know how to live, or let others live.
This is their tragedy, and the biggest tragedy is that they are blind to all this, because of their brainwashing.
hey you forgot to mention ORISSA ..where HINDUS burnt CHRISTIANS ALIVE ...i think you forgot about northern states of INDIA where BUDDISTS are beaten up and killed by HINDUS ....you also forogot about HINDUS KILLING SIKHS in 1984.
i think you also forgot to mentioned about HINDU TAMILIANS KILLING SINGHALESE and having trouble in malasia and Indonesia ...
OOPS ...did i mentioned about muslims or hindus ...
Hey johnny boy, and did you forget about the christian inquisition, when thousands of hindus were killed by the christian portuguese, along with jews in Goa.
Buddhism is considered a sect of hinduism, and Buddha is worshipped by many Hindus themselves .
what prevailed is over other issues.
And the sikhs in 1984 were killed by the congress party goondas, who are mainly made of idiots.
The rss, according to khuswant singh, saved the lives of many Sikh brethren from the congress goondas in 1984 .
And with respect to sri lanka, it was the sinhalese who attacked the tamilians. There is no question of religion here, as the ltte is comprised of tamilians of all religions , including atheists.
And the hindus in malaysia are having trouble from the muslims over there, who are destroying their ancient temples, which has attracted the worlds condemnation.
RE:Moderation?
by rajeev krishnan on Jul 13, 2008 02:33 PM Permalink
Johny, i can prove that after 9/11 a message was sent to US saying that they will fight holy war till US is muslimized...............u urself can search this information on google. Pls. dont talk nonsense. The Taliban, JKLF what are they doing they are killing or converting non-believers. WHEN U SAY OTHER REASONS..........PLS. SPECIFY WHAT are other REASON apart from JIHAD. Ur holy book teaches killing / conversion, ur prophet MAD MAN (piss b upon him) did the same thing for his superiority.
RE:Moderation?
by rajeev krishnan on Jul 13, 2008 02:22 PM Permalink
Johny, u need to understand that INDIA GOVT. does not promote religious killings as ISLAMIC COUNTRY does.
The case of orissa is a rare case in India, moreover why u christian go for conversion in underprivilaged society. Its very evident that u only look for soft target as these people are ready to accept the conversion for sake of better living (considering short term benefits). In LTTE there are muslims and christians, now muslims are very few but christians are there in large nos. LTTE is fighting for a seperate land as they see themselves as a secondary citizen in srilanka due to govt. policies in only protecting singhaleese. Dont talk NONSENSE AND RUBBISH without sufficient knowledge about a subject.
Johny bacche, all these so-called islamic countries came up after killing the indigenous people over there.
Afghanistan itself was populated by the Buddhists, as shown by the Bamiyan buddhist statues, till they were slaughtered by the Islamic terrorists, and that became the afghanistan we now know.
RE:RE:Moderation?
by asif eqbal on Jul 13, 2008 03:26 PM Permalink
NEVER HAS TALIBAN AND AL QAIDA HAS FORCED OTHER PERSON TO CONVERT TO ISLAM.AL QAIDA POSTERS A MASSAGE JUST ASKING THE WEST TO READ ABOUT ISLAM.bY GRACE OF ALLAH THE ISLAM IS RAPIDLY INCREAING IN WEST.tHE REASON BEHIND THIS ISLAM IS A RELIGION SEND BY GOD AND EVERY OTHER RELIGION IS MAN MADE.
RE:Moderation?
by asif eqbal on Jul 13, 2008 03:22 PM Permalink
MAN U DONT KNOW THE HISTORY.iT WAS THE OTHER WAY ROUND.cOOULD U TELL ME THEN WHY THE BIRTH PALCE OF JESUS IS STIIL THERE AFTER 1400 YRS OF ISLAMIC RULE.May be u could watch the hoolywood movie called KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.wHEN THE CRUSADER CAME ,THE KILL MUSLIM SO MUCH THAT THE BLOOD RAN TO THE KNEES OF THERE HORSES.bUT BY GRACE OF ALLAH MUSLIM WERE VICTORIOUS.
You are mistaken. The crusades were the saddest debacle in Christianity. During this era, the papacy killed more people than Mao, Stalin and Hitler together.
For the record, those uncouth (10%) who made it through, killed more Christians than Muslims. For those idiots, everybody with a head robe was a Muslim. Yes, even 1000 years after the birth of Islam, there were more X'tians in Arabia than Muslims. Yes Nabih Moh'd, Abu Bakr et al were more tolerant than any Akbar or Shivaji. The Crusaders did not win any battle of consequence - only massacares. They looted the Holy Land. Each section wanted their church somewhere around.
Yes, this caucausion mayhem thrashed eastern tolerance and trust and consequently contaminated further thrusts east wards. It wasn't so much the Arabs as the Persians and norther tribes who pillaged India. They were not bothered with conversion as much as rape and loot. Conversion by coercion and force is a recent phenomena (a few centuries old). Most converts (except Goa and UP) were forcibly converted.
We have a beautiful culture and values. Let us not be tainted and divided along caucasion lines. It does not matter to the white man whether you are Hindu, Muslim or X'tian.
Let us love one another and not misinterpret the Holy Books and contort history.
Contact me on joelov@rediffmail.com to provide you specific links or references on independant facts and history.
this un-educated d1ck head asharam graduate call center worker INDRAJEET has re-written the history ...i think he was trying to make a telugu or tamil movie or hindi movie ...
where did you got this so called history facts ...can you give me any reference where muslims or turks use to capture the chrsitian pilgrims and sell them ....
RE:Moderation?
by maher on Jul 13, 2008 02:16 PM Permalink
I admit that muslims should show more tolerance towards other communities, but usually the problems that you are alluding to arise when muslims are denied in any ways from followig thier faith. In this case, I would say, that among all nations, it is India, that has accomodated them the most, and those who can appreciate it do. You may have also realized that Indian muslims are less likely to be seen in extremism. Sure there are among them who are so, but then you would find a similar section in hindus as well. I personally beieve that we can live with our differences, and work for a common cause to enrich our nation.
RE:Moderation?
by monothiest on Jul 13, 2008 02:14 PM Permalink
WHEN YOU PEOPLE KILL ITS MAHAbharat,diwali. why did you people kill ravan and his army, And top of it you celebrate it. you people are the real terrorists. If you can justify the fights then consuder the same as the asner from muslims
RE:Moderation?
by Joseph George on Jul 13, 2008 02:26 PM Permalink
Sad isn't it Indrajeet,
I was acquainted with a couple of believers from the UP Nepal border - not yet adults, who appreciated the wisdom of their mullahs that they should quote by rote the Koran before undertaking formal education. This happens by the time they are 12 to 18, during which they are married and the same madrasa's advise them to undertake filial responsibilities rather than idle about with strange language books. This too they admitted was sensisble as they stated "it makes sense that they provide for thier wives and child/ren first then try to be a doctor / engineer".
Well said , Joseph. This is the probs with the mullahs, who are still living in the 7th century A.D, and hence are quashed easily by other better educated communities, and then start crying foul.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Moderation?
by a m on Jul 15, 2008 01:22 AM Permalink
In this part of the world the Muslims are the traditionally down trodden section. Those who converted from Hinduism were the Lowest Castes of Hindus, and traditionally deprived of all civilised rights. Their erstwhile Masters could never accept this escape of their Slaves.
If you keep people bottled up, always under a microscope, and with no access to prosperity or modern education, then it is pointless to criticise their supersticious and ignorant behaviour.
Upper Hindus have never accepted modern Western ideas of equity and equal respect, whether to their own Slaves (called Lower Castes) or to their ex - Slaves (suspected to have converted to Islam and Christianity).
Partition was probably an Upper Hindu act of attempted Good Riddance, in order to achieve complete control, but it mis fired because the over whelming majority of Muslims stayed back in India.
I think the Upper Hindus will never willingly give up their dreams of supreme control, but they might be made irrelevant by the forces of Westernisation, Modern communications technology, and Western education.
However all that might take about a century more.
So the troubles of this region are likely to continue for a long time.
RE:Moderation?
by a m on Jul 15, 2008 12:45 AM Permalink
I disagree.
Arabs had Oil but were not allowed control over it. Once they became conscious they started fighting. First they were exploited and now they are retaliating. It is the same throughout Man's history, and religion has nothing to do with it.
The methods chosen by a fighting people are always according to the circumstances. Do you think Poison Gas attacks among the world's most modern and fully educated Europeans (all of whom were Christians) during first World War were a Civilised method, less cruel than modern terrorist methods? The suicide bombs at least kill fast, rather than prolonged agonising death in poison gas attacks.
Truth is not possible to learn without honesty of observation. Let us take a scientific look at Islamic Terrorism from the view point of Cause and Effect rather than merely Moralise or criticise, if we want to understand and control this type of human behaviour.
We don't like it because we are at the receiving end of their actions. However an objective point of view would show that they are not wrong to fight for control over their affairs.
RE:Moderation?
by khaleel nazeer on Jul 13, 2008 02:20 PM Permalink
Yes Indrajeet, Srilanka(LTTE), UK(IRA), Spain(ETA), Nepal & India(moists,naxalities,ULFA etc..) all these places the trouble is with the muslim communities.
Yes, khaleel,this is the reason why the americans, russians, chinese, britishers, germans, danes, filipinos, thais, indians, european NATO all are fighting against islamic terrorism the world all over.
RE:RE:Moderation?
by a m on Jul 15, 2008 01:03 AM Permalink
Neither Sinhalese nor Tamils are Muslims. The fight in Ceylon is over Land, not religion. The Sinhalese want to maintain supremacy, while the Tamils there are not willing to be subordinated. During the early years of India's Independence there were countless agreements, between Nehru and Bandarnaike and so on, but the Sinhalese did not actually implement them, so the Civil War broke out. Naturally there are those who want to roast their Meat in the Fire, but the fight is basically over the Land.
RE:Those who marry unbelievers will burn in the Fire. 2:221
by Sahara on Jul 13, 2008 01:57 PM Permalink
@amitabh so is that the reason u have "knicker" fetish??
RE:RE:RE:Those who die in their disbelief will burn forever in the Fire. 2:217
by satyagrah on Jul 13, 2008 01:53 PM Permalink
if you are scared then you believe it, and if you dont then why worry about it.
RE:The disbelievers are a folk without intelligence
by amitabh badchalan on Jul 13, 2008 01:46 PM Permalink
No No from the BOOKS PRESCRIBED BY THE KNICER WAHHAL SCHOOL OF HATE AND MISINFORMATION MANAGEMENT....
RE:The disbelievers are a folk without intelligence
by khaleel nazeer on Jul 13, 2008 01:54 PM Permalink
Dear Hindu friends, Please read Bhagwat Gita, You will find similar verses in much more numbers. This is verses pretaining to War. Come on!!!!. Please read Bhagwat Gita Chapter No.2 verse 37. Shri Krishan saying to Arjun, O Arjun fight, if you die you will go to heaven & if you return victorious you will get good of this world. Our friends don't read their scriptures & just take the verse from in between leaving the contest to malign Islam. Don't think I am supporting the attackers of the Kabul, they have to be punished. No one has right to take life of any Innocent. This is what all Religion says. Read Quran 5:32 & 5:33.
RE:RE:RE:The disbelievers are a folk without intelligence
by khaleel nazeer on Jul 13, 2008 02:12 PM Permalink
JGN & freinds, Contradiction is in your thinking & mind. Religions bring comfort to billions of people world wide across the globe(more than 80% of the world's population). It is the problem with the present materialistic human race.
RE:RE:RE:RE:The disbelievers are a folk without intelligence
by khaleel nazeer on Jul 13, 2008 02:28 PM Permalink
These verses were revealed when the meccan Arabs were troubling & wanted to finish the muslims of Mecca.
RE:RE:The disbelievers are a folk without intelligence
by Sahara on Jul 13, 2008 02:11 PM Permalink
@khaleel nazeer so what taliban wants to impose in afghanistan is also out of context?
RE:RE:RE:The disbelievers are a folk without intelligence
by khaleel nazeer on Jul 13, 2008 02:15 PM Permalink
It is politics my dear. The USA supported them in the early 90's with intelligence & money to throw out the Russians. When they have gone against them, they want to finish them.
RE:RE:RE:RE:The disbelievers are a folk without intelligence
by Sahara on Jul 13, 2008 02:20 PM Permalink
i am not talking about USA attacking taliban...i am talking about the laws which taliban imposed on the afghanis before US-NATO attack...where the laws out of context or not?
RE:RE:RE:The disbelievers are a folk without intelligence
by indrajeet on Jul 13, 2008 02:22 PM Permalink
Johny boy, the gita advocates doing your duty. It does not advocate killing of kaffirs or infidels .
Duryodhana and the kauravas were themselves hindus.
RE:RE:RE:RE:The disbelievers are a folk without intelligence
by khaleel nazeer on Jul 13, 2008 02:34 PM Permalink
The Quran is also taking about the war when the muslim Arabs of mecca were troubled by the Arabs of Mecca & wanted to finish them. They were also Arabs & were from the same region & called Meccan's(living in Mecca).
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:The disbelievers are a folk without intelligence
by JGN on Jul 13, 2008 02:41 PM Permalink
khaleel nazeer, who was waging the war? Was it Muhammed or Allah? Can a "most merciful creator" ask one group of his creation to kill the other group?
RE:RE:RE:The disbelievers are a folk without intelligence
by JGN on Jul 13, 2008 02:40 PM Permalink
johny bravo, I had written about "universal truth" Do you know the difference between "universal truth" and "divine truth" I think your madrassa english is not enough to understand the difference!
