if these servents are guilty of crime,it should be an eye opener to upper middle class society where it is fashionable to have more servents.Many of them illtreat them also without realizing that times have changed with servents having education and knowing their rights.Even though I don't have any sympathy for Krishna and Rajkumar,but to some extend Talwar is also responsible since he ill treated Krishna
RE:Aarushi
by Secular India on Jul 12, 2008 03:38 PM Permalink
In this episode - there is only one guilty person and that is Dr Rajesh Talwar. Giving access to his family to males belonging to a class of people who cannot interact with women except in a crude manner makes him guilty and not Rajkumar , Shyam Kumar or whoever.
RE:Aarushi
by prasanna pai on Jul 12, 2008 05:06 PM Permalink
Dont take ur office to home and home to office...I think this case has something related to it.
as per NOIDA police , Dr Talwar had confessed kiling his daughter . The same officials who screwd up the investigations so badly would have a free run without any accountability of the sufferings by the victim;s family . It is a shame how investigations are run in this country . Anybody who can be framed and tortured to obtain confessional statements without an iota of evidence
RE:where is accountability /
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Jul 12, 2008 04:47 PM Permalink
u know pal how "confessions" are obtained in this country! u r picked up coz its convenient for the police and a nice juicy story put out for the benefit of our heroic media ! the entertainment loving public laps up the story and bays for yr blood! u r put in a lock up with shit and piss on the floor.. with criminals who beat u up or sodomise u.. the police beats u up with 3rd degree treatment and u just say anything they want u to say.. admit to anything they want u to.. and u become an "accused" and the police's darling media pronounces u guilty and demands exemplary punishment ! later if it turns out that its a hoax there is no case against u.. then what? nothing! many among the public wont still believe that ur innocent coz that spoils the fun! its like roman amphi-theatres of old.. where the public came to see bloodshed and fun.. thay wudnt leave unless someone got killed! and if u have suffered for months completely unjustly and unnecessarily , in a lock up or a jail all the cruellest of indecencies then thats just too bad!no cop .. no judge and no mdia person wud ever be taken to task for that! th right to freedom of life and liberty in our constitution is a sham!
RE:where is accountability /
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Jul 12, 2008 05:27 PM Permalink
thanks pal! lets all do what we can in our own ways in our areas of life .. wherever we face blind political correctness!
RE:RE:where is accountability /
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Jul 12, 2008 05:29 PM Permalink
nothing! the court will do nothing to the NOIDA police or the media wallahas! hundreds of such cases r happening every day .. worse is happening.. the police , media and the judiciary are above the law when it comes to wielding power against individuals!
RE:where is accountability /
by adityadash on Jul 13, 2008 02:29 AM Permalink
Now a days media people has given up humanity for money.can mediaperson imagine what he or she felt if the same case happened to him or her and it is shown in media all over the country.there should be restriction for media people to stay in limit.they think that they are god but truething that they are also human being.
RE:Noida Police to be blamed!
by nitin sachdeva on Jul 12, 2008 05:05 PM Permalink
I second u sandeep....but...
Cool Down sandeep...... Nair seems to have some kind of mental problem.. May be she is mentaly disabled.. V shd not get angry on these kind of people....
RE:Noida Police to be blamed!
by prasanna pai on Jul 12, 2008 05:13 PM Permalink
sandeep has not written anything wrong ...what wa abuse alert for.mod has gone crazy o what??
RE:Noida Police to be blamed!
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Jul 12, 2008 05:24 PM Permalink
dont u see friend? they hv to stop our voices thru "abuse alerts"! and at the same time talk of dmocracy , freedom etc! otherwise how can they carry on with their God like power games uninterrupted?
RE:Get the age of Dr Rajesh Talwar right please!!
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Jul 12, 2008 04:53 PM Permalink
yah sure! it coz of ppl like u that our heroic media and oh so capable cops carry on with their escapades in tormenting whoever they feel like .. their power comes directly from the support of ppl like u!
MEDIA HAS FAILED IN THIS CASE, DAY IN DAY OUT MEDIA HAS TRIED TO NAIL DR.TALWAS AS IF MEDIA IS INVESTIGATING AGENCY AND JUDICIARY EVERYTHING. COUNTRY IS FACING SO MANY PROBLEMS, MEDIA INSTEAD OF HIGHLIGHTING PRICE RISE, SUICIDE BY FARMERS, DROUGHT WHERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING WE ARE IN A SORRY STATE OF AFFAIRS WHERE WE ARE GETTING NEWS ON ONE ISSUE FROM MORNING TO NIGHT IN ALL MOST ALL CHANNELS. MEDIA IS WORKING JUST AS GOVERNMENT OF INDIA IS WORKING BOTH ARE NOT BOTHERED ABOUT COMMON MAN IN THE COUNTRY.
WHY DON'T MEDIA LEAVE THE BEREAVED FAMILY ALONE FOR FEW DAYS.
RE:ARUSHI MURDER
by Secular India on Jul 12, 2008 02:49 PM Permalink
Forget media - a family like Dr Talwar keeping male servants with a you daughter at home is criminal behaviour and Dr Talwar should be punished for that. poor Arushi got killed because of a foolish dad and mom and not because of Rajkumar or Hemraj. I just hope the shame and punishment Talwar has gone through opens the eyes of other idiots who keep male servants.
Talwars should Sue the media. Media is just aping the West in terms of coverage and its pathetic.Its Trash..No Clue what they were taking about. And cops if you see their coverage. I saw Sardar officer in News Conference. How about someone spreads rumour about his family or daughter.Its trash..Real sad
RE:Sue The Media & Cops
by ebguy on Jul 12, 2008 02:27 PM Permalink
It amazes me to watch West coverage on Indian TV. We here in States see India covered rarely in USA media. Why is the Indian media obsessed with West?
RE:Sue The Media & Cops
by Secular India on Jul 12, 2008 02:51 PM Permalink
Media only did its job. If a father allows his daughter to die - then he should be ready to face this. Talwar is guilty of gross negligence.
Forget media - a family like Dr Talwar keeping male servants with a you daughter at home is criminal behaviour and Dr Talwar should be punished for that. poor Arushi got killed because of a foolish dad and mom and not because of Rajkumar or Hemraj. I just hope the shame and punishment Talwar has gone through opens the eyes of other idiots who keep male servants.
RE:Sue The Media & Cops
by ebguy on Jul 12, 2008 03:04 PM Permalink
If this is your conclusion that he was responsible for his daughters death then it shows your journalistic iq assuming you are someone in media. Foolish dad? Domestic help have been in India for years. If father allows his daughter to die? As if he was wishing whatever happened to his daughter. Put yourself in someonelses shoes before you express your views. I just hope assuming you are related to media that it opens your eyes of media coverage and you feel ashamed of yourself.
RE:Sue The Media & Cops
by Secular India on Jul 12, 2008 03:33 PM Permalink
well - I don't know ANYONE who keeps MALE servants in India especially if there are women at home. Even the servants in harems were men who had their's cut off before they were allowed to serve. There was obviously a reason - ANY man is capable of rape and murder given the right opportunity and circumstances.
RE:Sue The Media & Cops
by ebguy on Jul 12, 2008 03:50 PM Permalink
Having Domestic male at home may be unintentional error on their part. That doesnt excuse of accusing Talwars of responsible for sad death of their daughter. There are many male servants right now in India who are probably helping in many families with women. There are always exceptions. This was sad unfortunate case that happened. Domestic help should be thoroughly investigated and registered with cops before they are employed. I think they are doing that in Mumbai.
RE:Sue The Media & Cops
by ebguy on Jul 12, 2008 04:22 PM Permalink
And TV Journalist also thoroughly investigated and registered with cops before they are employed :))
RE:Sue The Media & Cops
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Jul 12, 2008 04:56 PM Permalink
it looks as if u dont actually live in india ! maybe ur from the moon? hundreds of thousands of households even lower middle class ones employ male servants.. and how many families have ONLY MALE members?
RE:Sue The Media & Cops
by ebguy on Jul 12, 2008 05:12 PM Permalink
Sandeep Bondhu..amhi India mein nahi..amhi staying far away but grew up in Mumbai. I think you agree with my thoughts..may be..
RE:Sue The Media & Cops
by nitin sachdeva on Jul 12, 2008 04:59 PM Permalink
Punishment fr media people..........
1)EVERY REPORTER WHO WAS INVOLVED IN SICK TELECASTS BEARING CAPTIONS SUCH AS, "HATYARA BAAP" " KATIL BAAP" " DARINDA BAAP" etc. SHD BE HELD RESPONSIBLE FR SUCH A PATHETIC COVERAGE ALONG WITH THE PROGRAM CREW...
2) ALL THESE PEOPLE SHD BE ASKED TO DO UP n DOWN WITH THEIR HANDS ON THEIR EARS FR 5 MIN...
3) ALL THE CONCERNED CHANNELS FOR WHOM THESE PEOPLE R WORKING SHD BE ASKED TO SHOOT THIS INCIDENT N THAN SHD BE ASKED TO TELECAST IT ON THEIR CHANNELS FR 7 DAYS, AFTER EVERY 1 HOUR WITH THE CAPTION " WE R SORRY TO INNOCENT".. 4) FURTHER ALL THESE PEOPLE SHD BE ASKED TO BE A " murga" AT INDIA GATE FR 7 DAYS, 3 TIMES A DAY FR 1/2 HOUR EACH WITH A PIECE OF PAPER ON THEIR BACK STATING" WE R CULPRITS OF DR. TALWAR"........
Isnt it humiliating n a lesson fr these yellow journalists.....
The entire incident had a serious impact on the society & have forced atleast some young girls to develop fear for their father. This ugly scenario was created by those Noida Cops through their press conference. The action of those insensitive cops raises serious concerns about the quality of top cops.How cheaply they had cooked up a story. They should be given the maximum punishment. Also the media - some channels stooping down to any level to get publicity. Throw shit at their face.One famous reporter who had widely & wrongly covered the Aarushi case shifted to another news channel recently. In the name of Journalism, these people are making a mockery of them selves. We can only pray that let God punish these insensitive cops & reporters & make them suffer much more than what Talwar suffered in Jail & what Aarushi is suffering after her death.
RE:Insensitive Cops
by Rajesh Shetty on Jul 12, 2008 02:00 PM Permalink
If young girls have developed fear for fathers, than they dont need the Arushi murder case, where at least Talwar was found innocent. More shoking cases than this one have appeared in the media, where in the fathers have been found guilty by the law. One recent example is the Austrian dad who locked his daughter for 20 yrs in the cellar and had couple of kids with her. Also even in India there are plenty of cases of girl child rapes, female infanticides, honour killings, by fathers. Also recollect the Madelein case where the parents were treated as suspects by the police initially.
RE:Insensitive Cops
by Cutlet Gravy on Jul 12, 2008 02:22 PM Permalink
In Mumbai yesterday a father and mother, one Mohammed Munna Khan and his wife Gulnaaz were sentanced for life (in jail) for strangulating and hacking their 25-year old daughter, Mehnaz.
The court did not consider capital punishment as it would have a bad impact on the couple's six other children...
RE:Insensitive Cops
by Dibyendu Das on Jul 12, 2008 02:49 PM Permalink
Just read about the Mehnaz case, its shocking :| . Parents killing and hacking their own daughter- its sad its happening in our country. Think the police were meticulous in their investigation there, not like our UP cops!
RE:Insensitive Cops
by Secular India on Jul 12, 2008 03:29 PM Permalink
thats probably a case which happens in the community across the world where daughters are killed to keep family honour. I suppose no one even bothers as that is expected there...but no one expects that in our civilized society.
