This was an expected statement after the text agreement was made public.. Following are the issues that the stooges of BJP and Left could be facing.
1. They might not have read it properly and might not understand English at all..
2. The so called experts are concerned that the language of communication with the IAEA has to be maintained in English and their boses in BJP and left are privy to English.
3. They are least concerned about the development of India or alternatively they are trying to block so that if BJP comes to power they can attribute the deal on their name and take immense credit..
4. They may be just layman who don't understand and do not have any information about international treaties such as the NPT and CTBT. They do not understand the fact that India does not has any right to get N-fuel till they sign the treaties and the NSG is viewing India as a special case..
5. India is a rogue nation in the eyes of the CTBT and NPT and does not have any right of purchase of technology or nuclear fuel.Its only the reputation of India as Non proliferation nation has saved us from all kinds of technology sanctions.
6. US is not imposing any sanctions to purchase only from them. They are opening India to its requirements for nuclear energy and so allowing US companies to sell their technology. US law does not allow export of technology to non signatories of NPT and CTBT
So all you stooges of Left and BJP stop ur nonsense support India
What eva brag these so called top scientists did are political...nothing else!!!
Iyengar regretted the "colonial mentality" and said that the draft text was made public by the Indian government only after it was "leaked" first by an American Web site." "Even after 60 years of Independence, the colonial thinking persists," he said
>>Dude...do some serious research and come out with something good for the country rather than finding out whos colonial(the term itself points that you are an ardent support of LEFT) or not.We have enuf politicians in India to play politics. Mr.Iyengar...why dont you comment about the innovations India has made in the scientific spectrum in the last 10 years...now dont start about launching missiles...even kids know that they are jus copy cat of Israeli technology. Now stop making political comments and support your country. Will you be happy if the agreement said.."India is free to carry out Nuke tests even then we will keep supplying the fuel and you guys can use it for defence purposes"?? If so...its just lack of elementary knowledge about how this globe functions. Y dont you talk about our current situation about 50% depletion of fuel for our reactors as of date??Where will the rest 50% come from??your House??? Now you guys got the text which you asked for...why dont you stop bragging about it and think ahead???
Non engineering professional - please get view of a engineering who knows engineering ethics. This article itself demostrate the violation of ethical code and reduces the morality of the scientist. First purpose of professional ethical code is keep the morality of the professionals high.
People should know that the kalam is an aeronautical engineer. He was a respectable president and now respected ex president. but he is a fake nuke scientist. It is unethical to comment/ tell as like a nuclear scientist. he should have told sorry and told to ask nuke scientist. Nuke scientist will their own dreams about their profession in india. common man can express their view on any matter but a engineering professional should not interfere other profession business. Please read Engineering Ethics principles. (book: Ethics In Engineering: Mike Martin, Roland Schinzinger TMH publication) It is very unfortunate to make such a comment on kalam. Professional society can punish him. no exited comment please before reading Engineering professional society code of conduct or the book To know abcs of ethics can I say a person to become a professional member and refer lot of libraries and online material. All I can do is just tell a book. He can say the deal is good. but other professional in the profession should not be embraced. This happens in India Because we have a dirty politicians. Now you see the mulayam and amar singh syas kalam told it is good. Why can they say kakodkar said it is good
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by Indian on Jul 10, 2008 05:33 PM Permalink
Your opinions are valid if the issue was a technical issue. But this not. We are not discussing on Thermal reactor or Fast breeder reactor technology. The issue we are discussing is the terms and conditions of the deal which effects every common man in some or the other way.
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by fun guy on Jul 10, 2008 05:37 PM Permalink
Yes my introspection is why do many views from scientific community. some scientist says it is good..... some oppose ... some say objectionable to Indias sovereignty... some nothing specific.. etc
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by wild monkey on Jul 10, 2008 05:39 PM Permalink
You see the title of the article.
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by wild monkey on Jul 10, 2008 05:28 PM Permalink
Why can they say kakodkar said it is good for the nation?.
Dr. kalam nn professional and Ethical view he don't have any say. I respect the view of Dr. Anil Kakodkar. I am talking about the ethics not kalam or kakodkar.
I make my point very clear. I have a very very high respect and regards for Dr. Kalam for his professional contribution to India and advancing aeronautical technology (rocket, satellites, missiles tech, etc) and also as excellent and very powerful president of India and brought lot of Laurence to India. one example EU speech.
1. Okay, as per the text, India has to allow IAEA inspectors to visit Indian Nuclear facilities ( To be clarifed as to if they can visit all. It was given to understand that only some will be open to inspection) . But this was already know. SO not a new piece of info.
2.There is no mention of IAEA about India's strageic program.. Good right..That was the intent behind the agreement.They shou close their eyes to the fact that India is weapon state. This is the crux of the deal
3.The safe guards prescribed are as good as for a non weapon state. Again, that means that even though India has nuclear weapos IAEA treats India as good as any non weapon state . So you can enjoy both benifits, Have weapons and get IAEA treatment with kid gloves ..Good
4. If people are expecting the this deal is about declaring India as a weapon state offically, I think that was never the intent
However I think The govt has to clarify many of these points.. I have not read the text extensively and am not comptent to make a proper judgement for myself.
As for colonial mentality and all..I hate to see political speeches by scientists..!
RE:What is the fuss about
by fun guy on Jul 10, 2008 05:31 PM Permalink
What is the link for the text. Just dont paste the like. if you do so your reply will be automatically marked as abuse. so you have to fake the auto detector to put the link
RE:What is the fuss about
by mahe on Jul 10, 2008 05:29 PM Permalink
Please type in google "Bush pushes US-India nuclear deal"
You will see more than 111,000 search results and the whole world is claiming that its George Bush who made the nuclear deal possible.
Its high time we realize that its not BJP/Congress/Communist who are after the nation, but its the US who now wants have control over India's nuclear power.
Under one of the clauses of the deal: ndia agrees to allow inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Association (IAEA), the United Nations' nuclear watchdog group, access to its civilian nuclear program. But India would decide which of its many nuclear facilities to classify as civilian. By March 2006, India promised to place fourteen of its twenty-two power reactors under IAEA safeguards permanently. India also promised that all future civilian thermal and breeder reactors shall be placed under IAEA safeguards permanently. This is the same way in which US entered Iraq, Iran, North Korea.
Moreover under one of the clauses: U.S. companies will be allowed to build nuclear reactors in India and provide nuclear fuel for its civilian energy program. We will be compelled to buy energy from US companies, what will the Indian companies do.
RE:What is the fuss about
by moment design on Jul 10, 2008 05:28 PM Permalink
Dear Rationalist why dont you fight the coming election on congress ticket ??????
Except genuine achievers, its very sad to say that most of so called scientists in India are nothing but parasites who after taking PHD's and double PHD's on Govt scholarships find jobs in institutes unbder designations of 'scientist' and have free acco, subdised food, study for children and secured job of 9:30-5:00 pm. They dont even have KRA's and appraisals. They have good international travel, good grants, for writing using official paid time. Most of these clowns just are parasites on chairs, and have not produced a single invention/discovery in their life time. Its surprising to know them that they know of nucleur technology. If it was so, then we may have been producing nucleur energy by now and not debating over any such deals....pls remember that we have nucleur tech which has been stolen.
RE:Indian Scientists-bunch of failed clowns
by wild monkey on Jul 10, 2008 05:43 PM Permalink
You are having valid point. If our scientis would have contributed efficiently, we could have got the nuclear weapon status well ahead of time. we cant leave the government too...Yes I feel some extent government policies and scientist are to blame.
RE:Indian Scientists-bunch of failed clowns
by Calspadeaspade on Jul 10, 2008 05:41 PM Permalink
Dont forget that some retired "scientists" become emeritus scientists and continue drawing salary on some pretext. I know of a guy who was growing egg plant for personal consumption in an agricultural institute after retirement as emeritus scietist.
RE:Indian Scientists-bunch of failed clowns
by moment design on Jul 10, 2008 05:31 PM Permalink
dear sanjay you are making statements as if so you were the live witness when our scientist were stealing the tech. by the by who are you????
RE:Indian Scientists-bunch of failed clowns
by Indian on Jul 10, 2008 05:40 PM Permalink
We ARE already producing nuclear energy. Where are you man? This deal about getting more fuel from international market. You need to read newspapers and get some GK before you start attacking on scientists. There are few of them like you mentioned. But most of them are dedicated scientists.
After seeing Dr.Iyengars statment it is pathatic for Indians to have such a Un Popular Govt which is ruining the nation. All patriotic indian should teach a lesson to UPA.
No wonder, Scientists out of power and retired will lament because there is nothing for them to gain. Those in power and politics, the story is totally different. Nuc deal means business of crores and crores od rupees - even a minor % would be a huge sum!
It is hightime v concentrate oo our non-conventional energy sources and thorium based power plants. US wants us to be tied in Uranium based plants. After the deal, government funding for thorium based research will be minimal - ploticians need commissions - self reliance is not of their primary concern. Import, import and import - is the aim, whether enriched uranium or coffins - they need commissions.
The deal as its title indicates is a Civilian Nuclear Agreement. India has presently 22 reactors. The deal permits India to separate our military and civilian reactors and place the later under an inspection regime of the IAEA. India has accordingly identified 14 reactors to be under the deal. The other 8 reactors, outside the deal, permits India's military nuclear program to continue unfettered.
When India conducted Pokhran II under the NDA regime, the US reacted by constituting the Nuclear Supply Group (NSG) which presently has 45 countries as its members. For countries to engage in nuclear transactions globally, it needed a NSG waiver. Because India did not have a NSG waiver, our nuclear program in this country began to hurt. Uranium supplies, spares etc dried up and consequently nuclear power generation capacity are operating at less than 50%. This means that the thousands of crores invested by the country is not providing full value in returns. The US is the most influential member of the NSG. Without US support, no waiver is possible. So the necessity of first striking a deal with the US, which even the Chinese have entered into.
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by All Right on Jul 10, 2008 05:00 PM Permalink
Once we secure NSG waiver, it does not bind us to nuclear trade with only the US. We are at liberty to trade with anyone we like. It also does not imply that trade would be a one-way street, India reduced to being a net importer. India's fast breeder reactors are cutting edge, generations ahead of even the US. We have the largest reserves of thorium in the world. Thorium cannot be directly used as a nuclear fuel. It needs to be processed into uranium. And this uranium is one of the highest quality in the world. However the glitch is that it will take at least another 10 years for our fast breeders to come on stream. So we need a short-strategy to plug our energy needs and this is where the deal finds a fit.
Further once India secures a NSG waiver, it is immaterial whether US Congress approves the Indo-US Agreement as we will be at liberty to trade with all other countries whether it maybe Russia, France, Australia etc. It is George Bush's personal credibility and US nuclear business interests that will be at stake that would ensure adequate pressure is created in the US for the US Congress to ratify the Indo-US agreement. The NSG waiver is accordingly our prime objective and not Indo-US Nuclear strategic ties as commies and knickerwallahs are projecting.
RE:ManMohan Singh's Master Stroke
by Hate Who divides on Jul 10, 2008 05:15 PM Permalink
It had been anounced in news that if India take any step towards nuclear weapom ....they will slash all uranium to india and will take all material back ......... No theory of 22 or 8 reactor is applicable atleast now stop writing crap ............. any way this govt wanted to beg in front of US instead of utilizing 16000 tonnes or more uranium from west khasi hill by negotiating with people at Domiasat and Meghalay govt ......... I dont think 20 years old technolgy of US will yeild any substantial power than our current technology 16000 tonnes can be utilized by 22 reactor for 10 yrs as it is estimation that france FBR consume 67 tonnes of uranium rods if we take it 70 than also it will work ............. so its time to make tough and intelligent foriegn policy instead of Begging ........... If NSG nodds then we can deal it with more friendly nation which dont restrict us like US's Hyde act
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by All Right on Jul 10, 2008 05:00 PM Permalink
Even if the Agreement is ratified by the US Congress, by giving one year's notice, we can terminate the agreement, though we are obligated to keep the 14 reactors under the deal under IAEA inspection regime for perpetuity.
The Commies and Knickerwallahs scare the nation of the Hyde Act. The reality is that there is no mention of Hyde Act specifically under the 123 Agreement or in the IAEA Safeguard Agreement. Only indirectly through mention of operable "national laws". But this mention of "national laws" is mutual. This means if Hyde Act is a domestic law of the US, we can have a law exactly reverse of the Hyde Act. In a dispute, we are bound by our national laws while the US is to theirs -creating a legal gridlock. The Hyde Act in reality is a toothless tiger!
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by Hate Who divides on Jul 10, 2008 05:18 PM Permalink
If the Hyde act is toothless Can you tell me why supply of fuel had been stopped by US for tarapur reactor in 1990's??
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by All Right on Jul 10, 2008 05:54 PM Permalink
Yes. This is what the IAEA and NSG waiver is all about. From now on, the US must find an alternative supplier before such a step. Secondly, it recognises the right of India to build a strategic reserve
A former BARC director A N Prasad says "the text is generally all right but there is nothing India-specific."
Nothing India specific? He must be joking. India has 22 reactors plus 6 more coming up. Only 14 existing reactors, identified by India as totally civilian, comes under the deal. The other 8 reactors, outside the deal, permits India's military nuclear program to continue unfettered. The 6 reactors coming up and other reactors in future are outside the purview of the deal.
This is a marked deviation of IAEA safeguard agreement with all other countries like Iran, Iraq etc, where all reactors are put under IAEA inspection regime.
It maybe added that these 14 reactors are not are long term strategic reactors, based on fast breeders and thorium fuel. These are dual use - can be used both for civilian and military purposes. So the 14 reactors under the deal have no long term strategic value.
The article quotes only 3 scientists - known dissenters of the deal. Others quotes are on "under the condition of anonymity" an euphemism that the journalist interviwed Prakash Karat or LK Advani
