Civilian Nuclear deal is good or bad for India in broader prospectives..? As per my understanding of the 123 agreement and IAEA draft, both available online, Nuclear deal with US applies to cooperation on harnessing nuclear energy for civilian use only and not for making any nuclear explosives, and that only to Nuclear and non nuclear components, technology, information and fuel transferred using this agreement. This does not apply to any nuclear research and development carried out in India's own Nuclear facilities(for Military purposes) that are not using any of the transferred things transferred under Nuclear deal. So, we can still use our Nuclear facilities for all kind of advanced research. All Nuclear facilities that come under pursuit of IAEA safeguards are actually notified by Govt. of India while signing the agreements and it can opt to keep any or all of the existing Military research facilities out of both these agreements. All new Civilian Nuclear facilities using the Technologies or components transferred using these agreements come under IAEA safeguards automatically..
That way it looks to be good for India. Please correct me if i am wrong in any ways..
What's your take on this? Lets discuss and exchange our views..
RE:Civilian Nuclear deal good or bad for india?
by Raju on Jul 10, 2008 03:41 PM Permalink
However, if India conducts any nuclear weapon test, then the nuclear supplier group may stop supplying raw materials to the civilian nuclear programme
RE:Civilian Nuclear deal good or bad for india?
by jagar singh on Jul 10, 2008 04:25 PM Permalink
india unilaterally declared moratorium on testing.simulation can do.
RSS & BJP Bajrag Dal Shiv Sainiks teach only one thing "HATE" "HATE" HATE".
HATE muslims, Hate Christians, Hate anyone who is opposed to them.
If their idelogies were so great then why today the youth from good family are not joining RSS shakhas.
Why the children of BJP/RSS leaders are going to the best public school, professional colleges and working in multinational. What stops them to make their children "Parcharak". Kuch to aisa hai.
They give their children the best that is available and for the rest one shoulder bag containing literures of hatred.
Their chldren live & work in airconditioned room and for others it is the scorching sun & cloudy weathers are good.
For their children six digit salary is required per month and for others a few thousand.
Their children spend evening in five star hotels or large food chains and for the rest it is the Chaiwala ki small shop.
They eat continental dishes, Italian dishes (Pizza)and for the poor it can be anything worth one/two rupee
The only charm of joining RS is that you are not required to amrry but allowed to aleep with many.
The end result is that Shakhas are getting deserted day by day and those who attend are extremely poor fellows.
RSS will become a part of history in next 3/4 decades
RE:BJP' is idelogically bankrupt
by KVK NAIR on Jul 10, 2008 03:44 PM Permalink
y always go against bjp... the childrens of congres or any other parties are not studying in good schools, they are not eating pizzas? One thing is very clear all are afraid BJP's growing reputation.... irespective all the efforts of all other parties including you, the image of the BJP will remain same... my dear... grow up and not complaint like a school boy...
RE:BJP' is idelogically bankrupt
by jagar singh on Jul 10, 2008 04:30 PM Permalink
yes,mr nair.bjp will remain a party with differences,whose chal,chehra and charitra changes with power.bangarus and judeos will sprout further.
Apnee log nuclear deal sign karee yaa naa kareen. They all are fit to be thrown into ocean.
They just want some drafted document and they could never read line by line to understand the consequence of signing the deal. The rules framed by babudom are as follows : 1) WE (Indians ) cannot dictate terms to other nations . 2) We cannot come to any consenses decision making as most of the ministers are too afraid to read the document while babudom's are too good to accept with all humility ( as they fail to why US can use brains while we can just borrow ) 3) Our babu' s are all happy to visit US frequently and njoy there stay. 4) Atmost we can form committee but whose members will always comprise of few old patients, young ideots, worthless individuals so that the committee can never take decisions ( as it becomes difficult to group them all under one goal ) 4) Our politicians are worst lot, who will never understand why were they elected. (ofcourse to run the country )
RE:Fish
by pruodNorth on Jul 10, 2008 03:54 PM Permalink
belive me. wait for 5 -10 years. Every state politics of india is going in this dircetion. You will see in open. Do not alawsy hate sikhs. That hate is well known to sikhs.
I find it quite strange to see so many users emphatically stating that the deal is good or bd for the country. I think most of us are not experts on the subject. Certainly former Prez Sri Kalam is better placed than most of us. But it is not wise to question the integrity of equally competent technocrats saying the contrary. One of the two sides is wrong and we cannot sit on judgement. But the least that the government can do is to speak out what is hidden in the deal and why it cannot wait till both countries have new governments in place. And that time is not too far off.
RE:It is surprising that average bloggers on the site have such strong opinion on the deal!
by Praveen on Jul 10, 2008 03:33 PM Permalink
u r wrong my dear. there r other top scientists who can give u a correct idea of the deal. kalam is in no way related to the subject. he only gave us the thought just like what others do here in discussion board.
RE:It is surprising that average bloggers on the site have such strong opinion on the deal!
by Sastry on Jul 10, 2008 03:36 PM Permalink
How is it possible for somebody to have an opinion when till this morning, nobody except Sonia, MMS and a few other bureaucrats had access to the agreement draft with IAEA. Any opinion without complete knowledge and competence to analyze it would be quite meaningless.
RE:It is surprising that average bloggers on the site have such strong opinion on the deal!
by All Right on Jul 10, 2008 03:39 PM Permalink
Very good analysis Mr. Sastry.... let's see what Mr. Praveen has to say on this.. :-)
RE:It is surprising that average bloggers on the site have such strong opinion on the deal!
by Praveen on Jul 10, 2008 03:40 PM Permalink
all the top scientists related to n-deal were invited by the congress to discuss the deal & most of them turned down the agreement. media didn't publish it cos most of the media in ind support the congress govt which is unfortunate. yday it was revealed by moiley that scientists were invited & even they were for & angst it.
RE:It is surprising that average bloggers on the site have such strong opinion on the deal!
by Sastry on Jul 10, 2008 03:53 PM Permalink
That is what I stated in the initial post. Why should we get so excited about the deal when persons competent to comprehend the matter have divergent opinion. My only objection is regarding the haste of the govts to conclude the deal at the fag end of their respective terms.
RE:It is surprising that average bloggers on the site have such strong opinion on the deal!
by All Right on Jul 10, 2008 03:47 PM Permalink
One wonders if government was so generous to give information to scientists, why did it make a big hue and cry about keeping SECRET any information to parties who were not part of the government.. :-)
RE:It is surprising that average bloggers on the site have such strong opinion on the deal!
by Praveen on Jul 10, 2008 03:57 PM Permalink
parties r not imp. deal is imp who can understand the purpose it serves. prob here is a mualyam says v want uranium without knowing the purpose it vl serve. so is it necessary for congress to talk all the minor parties who r interested in horse trading
RE:It is surprising that average bloggers on the site have such strong opinion on the deal!
by jat on Jul 10, 2008 03:37 PM Permalink
that`s b`coz, ppl who are writing in this board are desperate party workers. They are jobless lazy workers.It`s a shame most of them are earning by this simple job. Not all are in that category, but 90% of them are party workers
RE:It is surprising that average bloggers on the site have such strong opinion on the deal!
by Praveen on Jul 10, 2008 03:51 PM Permalink
if ppl hav common sense then a deal as such can only be agreed upon only after discussion with top scientists. otherwise how can a MMS who is only a economists know so much abt n-deal. it also applies to other ministers as well. u c in ind or maybe any others states not all the ministers r educated to take a decision by themselves in national interest or even for their benefit. so its a broader matter. ther ppl who don't much shudn't raise voices on this board....
RE:china & pakistan
by aji kumar on Jul 10, 2008 03:56 PM Permalink
u a poor bjp man. country fellow. you dont know anything about indian politics. you seems to be a dropout from school
RE:china & pakistan
by vinnie n on Jul 10, 2008 03:40 PM Permalink
u stupid, bjp idiot. there is no such national language by indian constitution. do you speak in south langague when you migrate for job??
RE:china & pakistan
by aji kumar on Jul 10, 2008 03:49 PM Permalink
because of south india north india is running. see the people around Prime Minister and all intellectuals in india. in south north india means biharis. what to do hinduism tiger
RE:RE:china & pakistan
by All Right on Jul 10, 2008 03:53 PM Permalink
Hey Vowel Kumar:
Thanks for negating some fervent nationalist comments made by Raju -- i.e. Country comes first... by dividing it into South and North India you have clearly shown what South Indians are capable of... :-)
RE:china & pakistan
by Raju on Jul 10, 2008 03:31 PM Permalink
What's the national language ? Hindi ? It's the language of the beggars like baiyyas and biharis. Who wants to be associated with those North Indian scum ?
A true Sikh should never support this Congress for killing their folk back in 1984. Congress leaders should be arrested right away. That tytler fellow is going around in gait. Put him in jail first
RE:SAD day
by Raghavan Dharan on Jul 10, 2008 03:35 PM Permalink
Please forget the incidents of 1984. Now Sikhs joined the mainstream and a person from that community has become Prime Minister. Whether we like US or not, we have no other go but to support the deal, because country's power demand cannot be met without this nuclear deal. I personally feel those in NDA including BJP, SAD, etc, must support the deal. Reason being that no national leader all these years made efforts to make this country power sufficient
RE:SAD day
by Sabka Baap on Jul 10, 2008 03:29 PM Permalink
Foreigners are not allowed to interfere in internal matter of India so please get lost of this message board.
"In a recent statement by the swiss bank..it has deopsits of Indians worth 272000 lakh crores ...can anyone imagine??This all money is in the name of our politicians/their families... Just few years back MLA from my neighbouring constituency decalred 400 crores of wealth under VDIS scheme...our MP/MLAs are making a fool of ourself....they keep poor citizens busy by involving them in religious or other issues"
RE:Where is Shiv Sena
by aji kumar on Jul 10, 2008 03:26 PM Permalink
yes shiv sena support n deal. but they are not open. thinking of a political game
RE:Where is Shiv Sena
by All Right on Jul 10, 2008 03:54 PM Permalink
Hey Vowel Kumar:
If you read all stories on REdiff you'll come to know Shiv Sena has clearly asked MMS to stop this "number counting" in Parliament and call for fresh elections.. :-)
Just becoz you are deaf doesn't mean others aren't talking..
RE:RE:Where is Shiv Sena
by aji kumar on Jul 10, 2008 04:04 PM Permalink
you are going by ohers word. brain less man, somethimes use your brain. you should change your name from all right to all wrong
RE:Where is Shiv Sena
by S Shrikanth on Jul 10, 2008 03:42 PM Permalink
They will support the deal if it has a Maharashtra connection, the way they supported Prez Pratibha Patil instead of their own nominee.
