if tomorrow the 70% people from Land of India vote against the muslim community and ask them to leave the country will you be the first person to pack your bags?
RE:to imran patel
by sudhir on Jul 11, 2008 01:54 AM Permalink
agreed fully agreed mr. milind, no point in keeping people like imraan and other Kashmiris who hoist pakistani flags in kashmir
THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENDENTIAL RULE AS THE GOVERNOR THE CONSTITUTIONAL HEAD PERFORMED AN UNCONSTITUTIONAL ACT. WHICH ENABLED THE AZAD GOVT. TO REVOKE THE AMARNATH BOARD LAND TRF. DEED
imran patel First let me clear it to you that it is not a matter of government donating the land to Sri Amarnath Shrine Board. The board had to pay Rs. 2.5 crores to the forest department for its use, mind you for use only. As per the market rate of that area it was not worth even some lakhs. Since it was to be given to Shrine board the amount was 2.5 Crores, many times the market rate. The same politicians (of PDP and Congress), recently alloted,free of cost, a major chunk of land (much more than 100 acres)to your Islamic Shrine, Ghulam Shah Padshah for its university at Rajouri. The same government gave land to Mughal Road project with permission to fell about 15000 green trees. I leave it to you to understand the facts and correct yourself.
RE:Land allotment
by sunil gagroo on Jul 11, 2008 01:46 AM Permalink
but what about the land grabbed by these politicians themselves that too without paying any amount at all
Imran, govt. has authority to use any land for any purpose, lot of lad allocated for industrial area, or for industries to creat job opportunity for people for ex. SEZ, etc,
RE:Govt. has authority to use land for any purpose
by Milind on Jul 11, 2008 01:52 AM Permalink
if tomorrow the 70% people of India vote against the muslim community and ask them to leave the country will you be the first person to pack your bags?
I guess it is record under the UPA. presidents rules is imposed in so many states in the UPA tenure. I like the politics, if they cant horsetrade like with SP now Presidents rule is imposed immediately. abt the land issue, it cant be handed over to anyone that to in a tense state like kashmir. they should actually provide permanent facilites.
RE:record
by Arumugham on Jul 11, 2008 01:06 AM Permalink
IT IS ALL A DRAMA. AZAD AND SONIA WANTED SOMEHOW TO TO GIVE THE LAND TO AMARNATH. IF THEY WANT THEY CAN DO MAXIMUM TO AVOID LIKE SEEKING SP SUPPORT. THAT TOO IT IS ONLY JUST THEE MONTHS FOR ASSEMBLY ELECTION. WHAT A GREAT DRAMA.
RE:basic question to ALL
by Arun Kumar on Jul 11, 2008 01:37 AM Permalink
Oh gr8!!! going by this logic the road on which you and me travel daily also belogs to the piblic. how dare the govt use this for some other purpose without my consent. how dare do they build dams on rivers (dammit if it floods the cities, it is my land that gets flooded)? how dare do they say that not all can fly when the sky is free for all?? mr. imran if u can just let me know how to sue the govt and get compensation, i wud be most greatful to u... ;)
RE:RE:basic question to ALL
by rocker on Jul 11, 2008 01:47 AM Permalink
RE:ARTICLE 370 -AS i already said get out of separatist mentality.you claim to be different from your community.BUT YOU ARE OF THE SAME SEPARATIST MENTALITY YOUR COMMUNITY IS FAMOUS FOR.TO SAVE KASHMIR YOU ARE READY TO IMPOSE ARTICLE 370 TO EVERY STATE.PATHETIC.YOUR KIND OF PEOPLE ARE DANGEROUS FOR NATIONAL INTEGRATION..
RE:basic question to ALL
by rajkiran on Jul 11, 2008 01:52 AM Permalink
My dear, then there cant be any roads, rails, industries etc. where u need huge stretch of land and even if a single individual doesnt agree...the whole project will stop. Btw, Indian constitution allows govt. to acquire the land ofcourse supreme court ensures that they are properly renumerated and relocated.
And, you mentioned govt staying away from religion as secularism. Indian constitution declares indian secularism as non-religious and not irreligious. So, its basically allows religion based differentiation and not religion based discrimination
RE:basic question to ALL
by rocker on Jul 11, 2008 12:54 AM Permalink
DO NOT GIVE baseless excuses.do not hide the communal nature of muslims of kashmir.they could not tolerate hindus and anything done for hindus.pseudo secular media hid the fact that many amarnath yatris were killed by kashmiris.go and explain secularism to kashmir muslims,cong and pdp.
RE:RE:basic question to ALL
by imran patel on Jul 11, 2008 01:01 AM Permalink
I am not here to judge people's intentions. But the kashmiri's have a right to deny the transfer of land.
It is a matter of principle.
There is absolutely no reason why state governments should allocate public property to religious organizations, be it Hindu or Muslim.
Having said that, it is perfectly fine if the trust buys land from private individuals/owners to run their operations.
Government needs to stay out of this.
I know some of you feel that I am defending this because I am a Muslim (Atleast I have the guts to use my real name, unlike most of u).
But this is a principled approach. Government should stay out of religion. That is true secularism.
No Haj subsidies, no running temples, no allocating land.
RE:basic question to ALL
by URMILA NATARAJAN on Jul 11, 2008 01:05 AM Permalink
I fully support Mr Imran. Let the tribe of his kind grow up in nembers in his community. We will surely have a good secularist India. Live and let live
RE:basic question to ALL
by URMILA NATARAJAN on Jul 11, 2008 12:52 AM Permalink
You sound very pragmatic, neverthless in your arm chair!! Bur, Mr Imran, will not this India burn if Haj Subsidy is withdrawn? I am not for this types of tit for tat. Let us all live based on the priciple of LIVE and LET LIVE
RE:RE:basic question to ALL
by URMILA NATARAJAN on Jul 11, 2008 12:56 AM Permalink
But, I beg, please also state here that Mehbooba withdrew support to the government purely in the line communal politics
RE:basic question to ALL
by Chetan Lad on Jul 11, 2008 12:57 AM Permalink
First of all , we all need to understand land to be distributed is not for personal use but for Tourist & to protect the people/tourist from severe weather condition , It Goverment responsibility to avoid disaster & unforseen problem & give the accomodation to people in case if natural calamities arise....
LAND cant b just distributed just by voting in a state, if thats the case any group of people can vote in their interest & aquire a land... LAND beloing to country & country people & not just to a state... I dont know when Indians will realise its a country & a state that will bring india on top of world.... If this continues india will be divided into as many country as many states we have right now ...
RE:basic question to ALL
by BaBu Raj on Jul 11, 2008 01:26 AM Permalink
Imran, govt. has authority to use any land for any purpose, lot of lad allocated for industrial area, or for industries to creat job opportunity for people for ex. SEZ, etc,
RE:basic question to ALL
by aandhi on Jul 11, 2008 01:28 AM Permalink
imran patel First let me clear it to you that it is not a matter of government donating the land to Sri Amarnath Shrine Board. The board had to pay Rs. 2.5 crores to the forest department for its use, mind you for use only. As per the market rate of that area it was not worth even some lakhs. Since it was to be given to Shrine board the amount was 2.5 Crore, many times the market rate. The same politicians (of PDP and Congress), recently alloted,free of cost, a major chunk of land (much more than 100 acres)to your Islamic Shrine, Ghulam Shah Padshah for its university at Rajouri. The same government gave land to Mughal Road project with permission to fell about 15000 green trees. I leave it to you to understand the facts and correct yourself.
RE:RE:RE:basic question to ALL
by Raj on Jul 11, 2008 01:23 AM Permalink
Imran: Pakistan was created for thugs like you. Why do you live in India, shameless man.
India is a hindu nation.BTW. do you know what Akhanda bharata mean, From Afghan to burma from Kashmir to Srilanka. Thats what we are talking about. I am not clear what will happen to you. But rest assured we will not accomidate you in the provision we will come up with in near future.
RE:basic question to ALL
by tar sha on Jul 11, 2008 01:07 AM Permalink
People of India does not want Article 370 and special treatment to one state (J&K). Put it on ballot and it will be removed in a single day. Are you ready for that??
RE:basic question to ALL
by rocker on Jul 11, 2008 01:13 AM Permalink
EXACTLY tar sha. i will support imran if he is ready for as you said.(People of India does not want Article 370 and special treatment to one state (J&K). Put it on ballot and it will be removed in a single day. Are you ready for that?).i wiil be desperate for imran's answer.
RE:basic question to ALL
by imran patel on Jul 11, 2008 01:15 AM Permalink
I argue otherwise.
I want article 370 to be awarded to each and every state.
India is a big country and a diverse country. It is insanity that we follow a british style government. Look at the size of GB. Our constitution is a copy of their constitution. It works for an island state like GB with 40 million people. We need a re-public form of government where states have more power than the central government.
Why should politicians in Delhi decide what is good for people in the South, or the north east etc.
Let the people of the state decide what is in their interest. And all these states come under one umbrella.
RE:basic question to ALL
by rocker on Jul 11, 2008 01:21 AM Permalink
DO not beat about the bush and straight forwardly answer the queastion.BUT you are showing your inherent & true colours of separatism and intention .DO you want india weak?And state govt. is there and MP''s are there to answer the queries.GET OUT OF YOUR MENTALITY OF SEPARATISM.YOUR KIND OF PEOPLE ARE A THREAT TO NATIONAL INTEGRATION.
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by imran patel on Jul 11, 2008 01:30 AM Permalink
Delegating responsibility to teh states does not mean separating from the country.
Flush out this communist mindset.
The states of India are so diverse and have different flavors and different priorities. It is insane to have a central authority. Look at the problems in the Northeast. They feel alienated.
Let them have more say over their day-day lives. They understand their issues better than these dhoti-walas in Delhi.
This top-down approach towards governance will ruin our country.
Delegation of power to the state governments will make people a part of the process and more involved in the process.
RE:basic question to ALL
by tar sha on Jul 11, 2008 04:04 AM Permalink
So, you want likes of Mayawati and Buddhadeb to get more power to screw up those states as if what they currently have is not enough!!!
RE:basic question to ALL
by URMILA NATARAJAN on Jul 11, 2008 12:39 AM Permalink
Since the land was for Amarnath Yathra, you can sit in your arm chair and blabber about secularism.
RE:basic question to ALL
by Lalit Sharma on Jul 11, 2008 01:07 AM Permalink
please enlighten us about the various Huz House in differenet parts of India. ???? and Huz Subsidy ??? (Muslims do know that Huz Yatra is not worth if a subsidy like help is taken but this is charm of going by air to some country and enjoying the time. PERIOD.
RE:basic question to ALL
by Lalit Sharma on Jul 11, 2008 01:36 AM Permalink
Muslims have no priciples, you need show in practical that you ppl have some principles and ethics of civil society. but you ppl always look at Saudi Arabai and no where else. You ppl do not know meaning of Mother Nation. You ppl are disgrace on this planet. Most of the terrorist on this planet are Islamic. So just placing period at the end does not ends the story.
RE:basic question to ALL
by rocker on Jul 11, 2008 01:28 AM Permalink
DO not beat about the bush and straight forwardly answer the queastion.BUT you are showing your inherent & true colours of separatism and intention .DO you want india weak?And state govt. is there and MP''s are there to answer the queries.GET OUT OF YOUR MENTALITY OF SEPARATISM.YOUR KIND OF PEOPLE ARE A THREAT TO NATIONAL INTEGRATION.
RE:basic question to ALL
by imran patel on Jul 11, 2008 01:38 AM Permalink
I want article 370 for every state or atleast they should have an option to make it a state Law.
RE:basic question to ALL
by rocker on Jul 11, 2008 01:45 AM Permalink
AS i already said get out of separatist mentality.you claim to be different from your community.BUT YOU ARE OF THE SAME SEPARATIST MENTALITY YOUR COMMUNITY IS FAMOUS FOR.TO SAVE KASHMIR YOU ARE READY TO IMPOSE ARTICLE 370 TO EVERY STATE.PATHETIC.YOUR KIND OF PEOPLE ARE DANGEROUS FOR NATIONAL INTEGRATION..
RE:basic question to ALL
by rocker on Jul 11, 2008 12:44 AM Permalink
if the land is a public property ,yes it can be given.if the land had been given for any muslim purpose your answer would have been in affirmative.allotment of land had been cancelled due to pure pseudo secularism and demands of communal people of kashmir has been met.article 370 be damn scrapped and anti national communal people like PDP and other communal people of kashmir be thrown out.
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by imran patel on Jul 11, 2008 12:50 AM Permalink
I am sorry. It cannot be given. The CM or the PM are not the owners.
I do not care what it is being used for, let it even be a Mosque...The government of J&K have no constitutioanl authority to donate that land without the consent of the people.
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by rocker on Jul 11, 2008 12:57 AM Permalink
You can say this very conviniently to hide the communal nature of kasmir muslims.separatists and communals should be thrown out.they said that demography of kashmir will be changed.
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by Lalit Sharma on Jul 11, 2008 01:18 AM Permalink
No seperat constitution ? All the people from any part of India should be allowed to buy sell property in Kashmir, We want to get our POK from Pakistan Bank and Aksai chin from China ???? Agree to that from your heart and Soul ??? The motherland (India) is supreme and only after our motehrland comes the Gods/Allah/Christ/Gurus ??? Agreeing to that ???
RE:basic question to ALL
by imran patel on Jul 11, 2008 12:56 AM Permalink
Put it on the ballot. Absolutely. We live in a democratic country. If the people of Kashmir do not want to donate the land, no one should force them.
RE:RE:basic question to ALL
by Lalit Sharma on Jul 11, 2008 01:14 AM Permalink
Put every decision in ballot and give three options, YES - NO - Don’t Know and make sure 51% is the bar to accept the verdict. You will be surprised to know that we will never be able to elect even a councilor or decide on any thing like that. This parliament is not chosen on the majority of people's choice. Do you know that? When govt. announces minority appeasement policy, minority reservation etc. your voice rains mum because you are getting Khairat by the people WITHOUT our wishes. Hey if you have ability/guts then stand up and try run on your own for your development but you can not, believe me YOU CAN NOT move even an inch without help by majority.
Allocation of some land to a Hindu establishment in Kashmir irked Mehbooba. This is one of the umpteen political parties that swears by secularism. How long all these pseudo secularists will cheat the nations?
RE:Why did PDP withdraw support
by Guest on Jul 11, 2008 03:06 AM Permalink
First of all we who are we talking about and where? Kashmiris consisting of Muslims who have driven out the Pandits on religious and anti nationalistic grounds. How can you have a legitimate and a wise decision based on secular values from the most communal people in the world?? I think this guy Imran only talks of bookish knowledge reflected by some erstwhile psedo intellectual..
RE:Why did PDP withdraw support
by Yash Bhatnagar on Jul 11, 2008 06:04 AM Permalink
Guest or whatever your name is - you are a moron and so are a mojority of so called hindus an muslims here who talk about tolerance and in the same breath talk about destroying muslims, mosques and the secular fabric of India. Transfer of land and then the reversal of the order was politics at it's dirtiest. Advani will make it an election issue - matter of Hindutva, Mufti Syeed will make it an election issue and so will Congress and every other greedy political party. I am quite impressed by Imran Patel keeping his composure and not resorting to filthy language as a response to these arguments put forward by these petty people who give the impression that every ordinary Hindu is anti-Muslim.
RE:Why did PDP withdraw support
by URMILA NATARAJAN on Jul 11, 2008 01:01 AM Permalink
Secularism is a principle that needs to be handled sensitively. Unfortunetely now even parties and organisations that are formed to take care of certain religions also claim they are secular
RE:Why did PDP withdraw support
by imran patel on Jul 11, 2008 01:06 AM Permalink
Secularism means that government does not distinguish between any religion.
Hence government must not support any religion.
Hence no land transfer, No hajj Subsidy No government run temples/mosques.
That is true secularism. What we see in India is "Mil Baatkar desh ko lootenge"
PDP did gr8 job by pulling the support,,,, now no more cong and musi no JK will ruled by N N Ohra,,,, all Congress ruling states should follow the same.
