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China's 123 Agreement Compared with India's
by Kris on Jul 09, 2008 04:55 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Article-by-article comparison of the 123 agreements signed by China and India clearly indicates greater US trust and a softer approach towards India.

1. Article 2.1 states that each party to the agreement shall implement it in accordance with its national laws.
In terms of international law, the provisions of China's 123 agreement are rather intrusive. Article 2.1 states that China may not invoke the provisions of its internal laws to justify violation of the agreement and that Chinese exports pursuant to the agreement will be subject to the US laws that are prevalent at the time of such exports. There is no such provision in the case of the Indian 123 (Article 16.4). It simply states that the agreement will be implemented in good faith and in accordance with the principles of international law.

2.The 123 agreement that China signed has barred the export of nuclear material or technology to China unless the US president certified that China was not assisting a third country that had not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT) to acquire nuclear weapons technology. This ensured that no transfers would take place till the US administration and Congress were satisfied that China had begun to adhere to international non-proliferation norms. Then President Bill Clinton provided such a certificate to Congress in 1998 and the US Congress approved implementation of the 123 agreement with China shortly after that.



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RE:China's 123 Agreement Compared with India's
by Kris on Jul 09, 2008 04:56 PM  Permalink
In India's case, both the president and Congress are satisfied that India strictly observes all the operative provisions of the NPT though it is not a signatory to the NPT and no such restrictive provision has been incorporated in the 123 agreement with India.


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RE:China's 123 Agreement Compared with India's
by RAVINDRAN MANNYAN on Jul 09, 2008 06:47 PM  Permalink
opposing nuclear deal with US simply due to politics in India rather patriotism.No body comments on the threat from China.They already captured Ladakh and big portion from A.P. and Claiming Sikkim.No this new patriotic Left resonded when chinese army invaded 12 times in A.P. in last three Months and spend some days there.Where was these patriotic left at that time.They were supporting the government?

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Another thought provoking comment,
by Anup Nair on Jul 09, 2008 04:54 PM  Permalink 

why secret, secret?

- coz, u congressmen r selling our nation to the west, in those secret pages.

- coz, u r giving away:
2,000,000,000,000.00 dollars (thats 2KB),
from our nation's treasury to the west.

- coz, u r moving our once-proud-and-independent army, scientists and jawans,
to become puppets in the hands of the west,

- coz, for the next 250 years, our children will be paying back this `loan-agreement` you are
signing, on our behalf!

- coz, india will once again become a slave of the west, like it was for a thousand years b4 '47.

- coz, IAEA's spies (read inspectors) from porkistan, usa, uk, europe, saudi arabia, bangladesh,
basically even from the worst banana republic country on earth,

- they can legally enter our innermost-secret-defense-wartime-armed-forces-areas, LEGALLY THEY
CAN (AND NO INDIAN CAN STOP `EM),

- and they can LEGALLY check up on ANY PAPER, AND DOCUMENT, AND EQUIPMENT, ANY OFFICER, ANY
JAWAN, ANY COMPUTER, ANY ANYTHING!

- coz, our home will become a wasteland, a home we have protected from the invaders from mid-east and the west, for the last millions of years...




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Nuke deal is essential for future of India
by Arun Kumar on Jul 09, 2008 04:51 PM  Permalink 

I cogrutulate Dr.Manmohan Singh and Sonia Gandhi for taking brave steps in this difficult situation.Every one should hate to all political parties who are against the deal-specially BJP, which is more dangerous than America.
Arun Kumar,Ranchi

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no to deal
by Anup Nair on Jul 09, 2008 04:48 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies


How being slaves to US will be in the interests of India is anybody's guess.

The nuclear deal, only christians can rejoice cos it takes India closer to US, but HINDUS????

US will charm India to take the deal and run the nation on the nuclear energy. Once it is done, they will start turning the screws. you cannot do this, you cannot do that, you can do only what we (US) say........And all hindus will be slaves of America, just doing what America wants you to do...NRI's who are supporting the deal (so US and INdia can come closer) do not understand how dangerous this trap is..Once you get in THERE IS NO WAY OUT...YOU ARE TRAPPED FOR EVER.


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RE:no to deal
by Anup Nair on Jul 09, 2008 04:51 PM  Permalink

A patriotic indian seems to think so....

He is absolutely right...

Its in everybody's welfare.

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Change of Guard in Left Front and UPA Government
by eics chennai on Jul 09, 2008 04:43 PM  Permalink 

It is irony to note that the UPA Govt is copnceived and put in shape by Mr. Surgit Singh, ex. CPM General Secretary and the same to be destabilised by his successor- ' a highly proactive' leader only comparable to the Great Advanji. Perhaps Mr. Karat is not lagging behind the 'other' who is in a great hurry to occupy PM's seat; in dreaming to become the Main Opposition Leader in Lok Sabha, taking advantage eccnomic situation thrust by hige crude oil prices.

Gone the days of Gandhinj, Nehru= Kamraj era, Indra - Vajpayee- Jyothi Basu Era. Now let us welcome "Free for ALL" era. "
Letting the country going to dogs; will it not be interesting to see the two great "Idealogistical opponents" -Hindu, Marxists-joining togather for common goal.

One playing Hindu Card and other Muslim Card. -. not leave any political space for moderates is the game plan, it seams

Indian Voters will have the last laugh; let's hope and pray.

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Ambani Brothers Fight
by TheOneAndOnly on Jul 09, 2008 04:39 PM  Permalink  | Hide replies



Anil and Mukesh have decided this Nuke Row as AN ARENA to fight Among themselves.

As Anil has decided to Protect this UPA govt And get Benefits like
Penalties regarding Use of excess Bandwidth(Which harms Airtel),
WindFall Profits Tax (which harms Mukesh's RIL & RPL),
And
The N Deal will get him some Contracts of building New Nuclear Plants While On the Otherside decrease the Importance of Petroleum which is Mukesh's Business.

So, While Anil has sponsored Support to UPA,

MUKESH has decided to Topple this Govt at the Earliest to Show Anil Down just as in the Case of MTN Deal of RCom.

His Actions will show up only when the Parliament Votes.

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RE:Ambani Brothers Fight
by phoolkumar on Jul 09, 2008 04:42 PM  Permalink
An interesting observation!

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G8
by phoolkumar on Jul 09, 2008 04:38 PM  Permalink 

Actually India should not have gone to the G8 summit as a special invitee.Instead we should have gone only after getting a permanent membership there.What's ur opinion?

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Shameless Commies
by Chutiya Communist on Jul 09, 2008 04:31 PM  Permalink 



These comrades are bandvagon of China and opposing the deal for making India weaker.

Had they been concerned for COMMON MAN or POORS, they would have withdrawn the support on PRICE HIKE rather than on deal.

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N DEAL
by raju kannan on Jul 09, 2008 04:30 PM  Permalink 

The deal with america is always troublesome.
we have to find an alternative source to tackle our uranium requirement. Left's stand on deal is appropriate, but they should leave their attitude of always opposing. our country need a huge amount of power and day by day it is increasing. we should spend our time to find a solution for it. There should be an open discussion . I hope everybody will work for it together ...

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To fulfill your wish
by Chutiya Communist on Jul 09, 2008 04:24 PM  Permalink 


Dear Commies,

If you worship his holiness Dalai Lama, 1008 times then your wish may come true.

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