All Indians want nuclear deal to happen on equal terms, where as Congress(I) is stupidly subservient to USA, which is not at all required and added to that MMS is not transparent about the N-deal and is least bothered to have consensus with all parties before embarking on this trend setting deal which can set the course for making future generations of India as slaves of USA.
Obviously the Akalidal's support goes to UPA and thereby indirectly to the P.M.who hails fron their community.After all blood is always thicker than water.
RE:Blood is thicker than water
by All Right on Jul 09, 2008 10:37 PM Permalink
Not sure whether blood is thicker. The prospect of the first Sikh PM voted out of office surely will fire up the emotion of Sikhs that could be detrimental to the Akalis. The best NDA can expect is the Akalis abstain. This is also the only option for the Akalis unless until it becomes apparent that their 8 votes make the critical difference for Manmohan Singh to win the vote.
Advani is desperate to be PM so that he can make some Sindhi kadhi and some money out of it. He talks of Hindutva but is the first one to chicken out if we asked him to give some funds for a temple in India or in Bali. All of these politicians are the same. Wanting money and fooling the nation
RE:BJP and advani
by Ramesh Kapoor on Jul 09, 2008 10:25 PM Permalink
If there is a better arguement than desperation to become PM, please say so, otherwise, just understand the game called politics. Politics is not a science but an art or more like a football which gets kicked in all directions, and we should enjoy the game, rather than see who scored the goal. Who knows the Congress party lost the game because its own player scored a self-goal.
RE:BJP and advani
by All Right on Jul 09, 2008 10:46 PM Permalink
I feel the BJP has already scored a self-goal. If NDA constituents abstain or even worse vote for the UPA, it weakens the NDA.
Akalis are most likely to abstain or vote the UPA. Trinamool Congress will cross over to the UPA. MDMK a potential post-poll ally of NDA has split vertically. Both National Conference and PDP supporting the UPA rules out an ally for the NDA in J&K.
The JMM and Ajit Singh maybe playing hard to get. But in Jharkhand, the JMM faces of the BJP and has no option to support the UPA. As for Ajit Singh, in UP the two major alliances is one led by BSP and the other SP-Congress. Both of equal strengths. So there is a question mark
Then they are minor parties like those of the NE states. They are mostly likely throw their weight behind the UPA
Deal in its present form is almost dead. It will be renegotiated by the next government. Well the latest drama is to keep muslims in good humour by the merchants of muslim votes.
RE:Deal will be renegotiated by the next government
by satyarthi on Jul 09, 2008 10:14 PM Permalink
Whether UPA wins or loses confidence vote, it hardly matters. All conREDs are on the wrong side of national sentiment.
RE:Deal will be renegotiated by the next government
by All Right on Jul 09, 2008 10:32 PM Permalink
Just because you against the deal does not mean the Congress is on the wrong side of national sentiment and vice versa.
However, a UPA win or loss is a proxy indicator where public sentiment lies. Politicians have the uncanny knack to smell where the public sentiment lies. If they gravitate to the UPA, it maybe that they perceive that it lies the UPA way and vice versa.
The deal cannot be dead until and unless the UPA loses the vote. Certainly it is only the naive who would still consider the deal as dead if the UPA wins
RE:Deal will be renegotiated by the next government
by satyarthi on Jul 09, 2008 11:09 PM Permalink
Voting pattern in parliament may or may not coinside with the national sentiment.
RE:Deal will be renegotiated by the next government
by All Right on Jul 09, 2008 11:24 PM Permalink
satyarthi. If UPA wins, you knickerwallahs will y voting pattern do not coincide with national sentiment. If otherwise if they lose, your knickerwalah propaganda machine will be working overtime to convey the spin that the UPA got crushed by the overwhelming will of the people!
This conclusion is drawn by your past behaviour. Hailing Mulayam Singh as a man of inetgrity when he betrayed Sonia Gandgi and calling him an opportunist now that allies with her. This is only one such example
RE:Deal will be renegotiated by the next government
by satyarthi on Jul 09, 2008 11:43 PM Permalink
@All Right You are making a very sweeping statement, and that's why it is not at all right. Personally, I am in favour of the deal, not because I see it as a 'magic band' to fulfil our energy need. I simply support it because it widens our option. But, through out the discussion during last couple of weeks, I wanted to convey that the 'political hype' around the deal was deliberate. It was created by vested interests with an eye on muslim votes. Regarding UPA wins or loses confidence vote, the government has to seek fresh mandate after few months, and that will be the true reflection of 'national mood'.
RE:Deal will be renegotiated by the next government
by kabir on Jul 09, 2008 10:41 PM Permalink
u all m-chd's are always using and spoiling the name of muslims. u s-tpid guys have no other work beside throughing mud on muslims. we are hostile people. we never abuse u or ur god's . we never rise finger on u. more then 80 lack indians are working in middle east. non of any muslim country have any problem with u guys. English peoples always make u peoples a dog but still u guys are licking their foots.non of americans or europians like indian. they treat indians like their pet dog with no mercy........ u f-ukrs dot think abt tht matter only abt muslims........... u have nothing in ur mind but only muslim. y muslims eat , y muslims sleep, y muslims work and bla bla bla............americans and other europens are totaly different peoples from us . there envornment , thr culture , there atitude and things are different. we all indians have one origen, one culture, one environment and very thing same except religion and u s--tpd guys are fighting on tht name...........f..uckrs all stupid people ...u peoples are just waving ur tails in front of b...strd political leaders and english peoples.....and they are enjoys in there hurts..
RE:Deal will be renegotiated by the next government
by satyarthi on Jul 09, 2008 10:50 PM Permalink
Munawwar Hasan, the Samajwadi Party member of Parliament from Muzaffarnagar in Uttar Pradesh told rediff.com, "I am opposing the nuclear deal with the Americans. America is against the interests of Muslims. Muslims hate Americans. If this deal goes through, then Americans will make a lot of money.
RE:Deal will be renegotiated by the next government
by kabir on Jul 09, 2008 11:00 PM Permalink
americans are cant be fri. of any country. they are totaly selfesh. iraq had very very very good relations with india even iraqi govt. ( Sudam's govt) never accept the existence of pakistan and when in feb-2000 there were chances of war B/w india pakistan iraqi's promise indian govt to provide oil for war. but americans cant be fri. they alway looking for profit. u can imagen american war on iraq only for oil. we can say this war as oil "war". IRAQ WAS 2 OIL PRODUCRE IN THE WORLD. BUT after amewrican over take iraq they are the one who are using iraq oil and other hand whole world come under crisis of oil.... but u peoples cant understand this.................
RE:Deal will be renegotiated by the next government
by Hate Who divides on Jul 09, 2008 11:06 PM Permalink
well agree .........wthat ever u said is correct .......... But a dictator is no more good for the iraqi as well as to world
RE:Deal will be renegotiated by the next government
by Hate Who divides on Jul 09, 2008 11:44 PM Permalink
I never support american ......my point is the saddam as a dictator executed many including his son in law ,,,,,,so he was not good ............but what american did to trap saddam and osama is wrong thats y I always opposed america dealss..... they cannot be trusted in any sense
RE:Deal will be renegotiated by the next government
by kabir on Jul 09, 2008 11:25 PM Permalink
still u are not understanding me. u are totaly aganist muslims . this is the facti know ur leaders just behind muslims. i knw all fingers are not equl and same is the case with we humankind's like some muslims are not good and some hindus are also but we should care of humanity whis is not possible in amercins because they dnt care of their family. i dnt mean that i hate hindus but my mean i hate all those peoples who dnt think other's sister as their sister and other's father mother as like their own one's. i m worry abt present worlds bad thinking. i personly a tru muslim ( all knw god) but always see hind girls muslim girls and other 's beside my onw wife ( whoever she is ) as my own sisters and and i treat old peoples as my own gardins but english peoples dnt have such feelings even they can f..uck their own sisters and mother. who can they are good peoples and y u peoples are thing them as ur good friiiiiii............ i m not agenist hindu, muslim or anyother. i am aganist those whoi are aganist humanity..............
RE:Deal will be renegotiated by the next government
by rajkiran on Jul 10, 2008 06:02 AM Permalink
who said we are going to be "friends" with US. its just business buddy
RE:Deal will be renegotiated by the next government
by satyarthi on Jul 09, 2008 11:05 PM Permalink
@Kabir, Admitted. But what about your abusive language towards hindus? It is a fact that only muslims and REDs are opposing this Deal on 'religious' ground.
Harsh calling of BJP to UPA to prove majority seems too risky. They should exercise some restraint. What if cong wins trust vote, u'll surely lose face.
Are u so confident Mr. Advani that there is no way for the cong at this juncture??
Or BJP may already have smelled some hidden developments against cong on the floor, and they are sure of cong loosing..
RE:Are u so confident Mr. Advani??
by lithearts on Jul 09, 2008 10:18 PM Permalink
I dont think congress will go. they are oldest player in politics and they were roaring like a lion and downplaying commies, some calculation must have made them confident. i hope bjp has to work hard in UP to get enough seats to win an election. bjp with bsp is actually bad in long run for bjp. without UP bjp cant cross 200 mark alone.
RE:Are u so confident Mr. Advani??
by jet on Jul 09, 2008 10:20 PM Permalink
peter , this is part of democracy, when a major ally of the ruling govt withdraws support, the govt has to prove its majority and any opposition party will call for it.
RE:Are u so confident Mr. Advani??
by satyarthi on Jul 09, 2008 10:58 PM Permalink
There is nothing 'Historical' about this deal. It is as simple as any other 'trade treaty'. The hype is created by Cons and REDs to amuse muslim voters. After general elections, the whole hype about the deal will be over, and it will be renegotiated by bureaucrats in routine manner.
1. Yes there is risk of nuclear accidents. So far for the last 60 years, there had been only 1 major accident though more minor ones. The purpose of risk analysis is exactly to eliminate or minimize risks. So we have 60 years of reactor working as a dataset, which lends itself in good stead.
2. It is puerile argument hat nuclear power cannot be used in transportation, whether road or rail. Our railway system is electrified. We are fast moving to an era of road transport that increasingly use electricity. Further, nuclear power will set free petrol,diesel and gas to be used for cars and buses without starving our industrial need for power. 3. As for your allegation that the deal benefits US business, there appeared a Washington Post editorial that says that once we receive NSG clearance we not need USA. This is because we can freely trade in the world market. Secondly, it does not mean that trade is one way. We can also emerge as a significant nuclear exporter. Our fast breeder reactors are cutting edge, several generations ahead of the US. We have the largest reserve of Thorium in the world. Once our fast breeders come on stream, we can sell plants - thorium and uranium (processed from thorium) in the world. 4. About pricing, even assuming your estimates of Rs 10 is correct, it may not be expensive since all commodoties whether coal, petrol, gas etc are escalating
RE:Reactions to Comarade Joy Abraham
by Girish Nadkarni on Jul 09, 2008 10:12 PM Permalink
India need huge amount of electricity to give shock treatment to thee own politicians every now and then.
It is really unfortunate that we have such uneducated (and of-course corrupt) politicians running and ruining India.
RE:Congress worried over nuke deal not inflation
by jack back on Jul 09, 2008 09:48 PM Permalink
They must have some personal interest in the deal.And they are not sure if they will be back as a ruling party again? They didn't,don't & won't truely care for nation.
RE:Congress worried over nuke deal not inflation
by All Right on Jul 09, 2008 09:54 PM Permalink
The correct figure is 3%. By 2020 it will be 6% And by 2050 it can be as high as 50% as all our reactors will be fast breeders
RE:RE:Congress worried over nuke deal not inflation
by subbu on Jul 09, 2008 10:29 PM Permalink
Where will you get the fuel for so much nuclear power-do you have stock at your backyard?Ponder why Austrlia who has so much stock of uranium has not gone much for nuclear energy!When primary source for nuclear power-viz.uranium is not available in our country you want us to spend crores and then go around begging for fuel?The christian countries may stop supply at any time-mind that.Instead we should spend much on bio-fuels,solar energy and wind energy.The entire profit will go to Indians and it is good for our country in all respects!
RE:Congress worried over nuke deal not inflation
by VinayBabu Ravuri on Jul 09, 2008 09:52 PM Permalink
Inflation is caused by increasing crude prices. Nuke deal would reduce our dependency on oil in future when we dunno how much the crude may go up to. Inflation in many countries is in it's 40s. We need to see other sources of fuel to control our inflation from going up there.
Advaniji please be more desperate so we can see you as a PM before it is too late. Everyone on this forum openly or secretly wants to see you as a PM.Those seem to be against you in their messages are simply mentally oppressed by ItalianoRedCon & not strong enough to openly express their deep feelings. Once you get the highest office these weaklings will get some courage to open up & support you openly.
RE:Advaniji please be more desperate...
by Prakash Asrani on Jul 09, 2008 10:12 PM Permalink
What can be more desparate than what he is already. Sending Jaswant Singh to prostrate before Mulayam Singh to enable 82 year old budhavoo to become PM is height of desparation. That Jaswant Singh got a tight slap when he approached Mulayam is another matter. This slap was even tighter than what he got from RSS after he sang praise of Jinnah from his grave.
RE:Advaniji please be more desperate...
by Real Vision Solution on Jul 09, 2008 10:40 PM Permalink
i think you have forgotton what they had say about cong. & Italian lady. They are only supported Cong. because they have seen maya bamboo.
RE:Advaniji please be more desperate...
by jack back on Jul 09, 2008 10:35 PM Permalink
It is never enough until he becomes PM. Any sane mind will see that.
He needs to be a PM more for you than me. As a national leader he will bring courage to a lot of intimidated people.
One from Harvard the other from LSE. Economic brains saw oil prices soar, dd notput in place any reforms and inflation is at 13 year high, Resign Congress for incompetence.
