Intelligence of Indians can be calculated by the leaders they choose, the newest congress friends , the king Pim.p said this in an interview. I feel sardaar MMS and Maino Antonia ko Chullu bhar paanee main doob marnaa chahiye...for this shameless alliance..
Justifying his party's decision to join hands with the Congress after years-long bitter rivalry, Amar Singh said in the interview: "When Prakash Karat goes to meet Sonia Gandhi, it’s called ’suhaag raat’, but when we go to meet Sonia Gandhi, it’s called ‘balaatkaar’."
But I think the so-called Italian is doing good for the nation, while our home-made huge-belly politicians have done nothing for the country.
Can you just tell me Mr Advani's single achievement? Except the Rath Yatra?
But Mr Singh has shown already his ability by pursuing economic reforms successfully in 1990s. And maybe you are working in a multi-national company which came to India as a fallout of the reform. And that is why India is growing at 9% rate. All due to Mr Singh.
India needs US more than the US needing India. The media has created such a grandoise illusion of India's achievements that we think of ourselves as a self sustaining organism. Most of our exports are still tied to the US and whatever trade we have with China or any other country for that matter, directly or indirectly ends in the US. So its good to generate readership by publishing such sensational headlines and stoke pseudo patriotism but the reality is very different.
RE:Like it or not
by Sanjay on Jul 09, 2008 09:34 PM Permalink
Truth be told, America needs desperately India. It is dependent on India's scientist and engineers. It is dependent on the ever growing India Markets to sell its goods. It desperately needs India to fight its wars.
American is not the same it use to be. It is now a tiny country of 300 million, who lack of man power, educated people makes it desperate to do all kind of subversion operation. Like making India the dumping ground for nuclear waste, putting all or most of our reactors under inspection in order to steal our technology. Like we are the only country in the world to have a reactor since the 1990’s to be running U-233 a fuel derived from thorium. I am against inspection when Pakistan and china are not putting any of their nuclear plants under international inspection, while we have been under sanction from the USA. Pakistan continues to receive support and aid from USA. It seems to a way of stopping our nuclear program putting it under inspection when we have advanced to stage where we are about to be world leaders and may be able to export our technology elsewhere.
RE:RE:Like it or not
by Truth BeTold on Jul 09, 2008 11:45 PM Permalink
Sanjay, you are welcome to leave in your coocoo land and believe what you want. World is a lot different when you step outside.
RE:RE:RE:Like it or not
by Sameer on Jul 09, 2008 11:56 PM Permalink
In fact what Sanjay is right. You are the one who is living in lala land. Indians are contributing trumendously to the American economy. They don't even create trouble like some other groups.
RE:Like it or not
by Vikram on Jul 09, 2008 09:01 PM Permalink
India's markets mostly cater to domestic needs and it's less export/import oriented compared to a nation like China. But I agree with you that USA for now constitutes a bulk of India's foreign trade. There is no pseudo-patriotism if one is proud of one's nation, but baseless abuse against USA doesn't make much sense either.
RE:Like it or not
by Truth BeTold on Jul 09, 2008 09:07 PM Permalink
Thanks for the comments Vikram. My whole point is that we are drifting towards a Nationalistic society (Remember Nazis?) which is proud to the level of arrogance. In the globalised world of today, no one can survive by themselves.
RE:Like it or not
by Sameer on Jul 09, 2008 09:20 PM Permalink
Nationalism is essential for any country to survive. The country has to safeguard its interests. Nazism was based of supremacy of one race over other. Talk to Americans and see the degree of nationalism in them.
RE:Like it or not
by ouch on Jul 09, 2008 09:48 PM Permalink
Talk to Americans and see if they are paranoid about natiolism as we are. Man do not compare India with US, US has way more freedom than India does or will ever have.
RE:Like it or not
by Sameer on Jul 09, 2008 11:49 PM Permalink
Americans are paranoid about others nationalist like Russians, chinese, Japanese. They are glad about their own nationalism. In fact their nationalism means screwing rest of the world, almost like Nazis. There are only a few sane Americans in responsible position who are level headed.
RE:Like it or not
by Cool Customer on Jul 09, 2008 10:57 PM Permalink
What an absurd and obnoxius comparison. How is Nationalism equitable to Nazism. Nazism has a foundation in differing philosophy- Materialism. Of the beleif that some are created supreme. Not by virtue of achevements, but by birth. Dig history, man. Read philosophy and its principles before making such wild and shameful allegation.
A nation's pride does not equate to preference of a race or origin. A nation's pride stems from self esteem. Indian's have acheived substantially to garner respect and esteem. You differ, thats fine. But dont impose your sorry esteem and call all of us who love and pride our country to be potential Nazi's. What an absolute twit! Get a life.
RE:Like it or not
by Truth BeTold on Jul 09, 2008 11:44 PM Permalink
Cool Customer, do you even know what "Nazi" stnads for? It stands for Nationalistic Socialism. Not tell me how its different in India. I think you should familiarize with the Nazi era and see what I am talking about.
RE:RE:Like it or not
by Sameer on Jul 09, 2008 11:52 PM Permalink
I think you some loose screws that you cannot see the difference between Nazis and India. India is one of the freest country in the world, in fact too free. In fact it is so free that even terrorists roam freely and an Italian runs the puppet government.
RE:RE:RE:Like it or not
by Truth BeTold on Jul 09, 2008 11:58 PM Permalink
I can see who lost the screws just because I dont agree with your opinion. India is free? North Indians cant work in Mumbai, South Indians hate north Indians, Northies hate South Indians. Women are treated as subjects rather than human beings. YES INDIA IS FREE INDEED.
RE:Like it or not
by Cool Customer on Jul 10, 2008 06:33 PM Permalink
Truth Be Told Let us test your depth out. Wikepedia must have helped you with a quick reference, eh? 1. Having the word 'nationalistic' doesnt make all feelings of nationalism the same. 2. The root problem with Nazism was not nationalism. IT was the philosophy/beleif. Philosophy that had its roots in the philosphy of Friedrich Nietzsche.
The root led to beleif in the supeririority of Aryan Race. He even tried to doctor scientific evidences by doing strange experiments and research in Nepal during British India to prove that they originated from the Aryan race. If you are a good artist, it is not wrong to pride your work. If you are part of a school where good art is taught, it is not wrong to pride in being a prt of the Institution. If you are part of a country, that produces good artists, it is not wrong to pride in your nation. However, it is wrong to consider that since you are a good artist, you are orn and destined to lead. And that some nation and people deserve to be absued and even killed because they are not great artists. THAT is the Nazi philosphy. What part of the philosphy do you find in Indian nationalism?
There is no reason to be ridiculous to prove a point on people being over passionate or socialist while being nationalist. That concern can be demonstrated in its own merit.
Our country is developing (8 -9 %)which is faster than growth of USA UK Europe and most other countries. Why the US loves us so much now? What did they give us when we were poor and struggling even for food? They sent the 7th fleet ships to attack us during 1971 Bagladesh war. Ony because of Indira Gandhi's courage they could do nothing and went back. You all want to fall at their feet now? What did they do to help us when we were fighting for freedeom from the slavery of British? Now we are becoming rich and so they want to include us in their club. we can stand on our feet and move forward without falling at the feet of USA who never helped us in time of real need.
RE:Remember history
by cynic on Jul 09, 2008 08:50 PM Permalink
both need each other. US also needs China as well as the other way round. Without cheap Chinese imports and cheap Indian labours, lot of US companies would have struggled to maintain profits and growth.
RE:RE:Remember history
by cynic on Jul 09, 2008 08:51 PM Permalink
and of course without US and other industrialized countries help, India as well as China would have suffered.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Remember history
by Joy Abraham on Jul 09, 2008 09:05 PM Permalink
India and China developed on their own - not due to help from USA or Europe. Europe kept us slaves for over a century until 1947- that what they did my friend.
RE:Remember history
by ouch on Jul 09, 2008 08:48 PM Permalink
you seem to have forgotten that *Green revolution* in 1960s was initiated with the help of US money and technology. You seem to have forgotten that all IT jobs are a result of US companies coming to India or US companies outsourcing to Indian companies like Infosys. No other country treats Indians as well as US does. Look at UAE, Dubai mistreat Indians and you would know the story.
RE:Remember history
by Joy Abraham on Jul 09, 2008 08:54 PM Permalink
Green revolution was purely Indian scientists achievement and US had absolutely no role in it - with technology or money. IT jobs are not a gift it is normal business of buying and selling. Because we are good at a job and cheap companies from many countries use that. Its no favour from USA. Would you say that all our imports from USA is a gift of India to USA. Thats busines man. I agree US people treats not only Indians but other foreigners also decently - its not a favour to India alone. After all these Indians are US citizens and so you deserve equal treatment.
RE:Remember history
by Truth BeTold on Jul 09, 2008 09:01 PM Permalink
Joy, its better to keep your mouth shut (or hands tied) rather than open it let the entire world know that you are a stupid. Growing at 8-9% when you are $ 900 billion economy is much easier than growing at 3-4% as a $13 trillon economy. I dont wish to lecture you on the benefits that we have received from US but its a reality that the green revolution was helped and started by the US. Our first computer was also donated by the US in 1955. The list goes on but I think you will get my point.
RE:RE:Remember history
by Joy Abraham on Jul 09, 2008 09:09 PM Permalink
Why you are afraid of my mouth speaking? If you think USA is interested in developing Indian economy, nobody can lecture you. When India was poor like beggers they gave some alms as charity. If you give one rupee to a begger in the street, or give one of your old watches to him, do you expect the begger to remember you and be thankful to you forever?
RE:Remember history
by ouch on Jul 09, 2008 09:41 PM Permalink
*green revolution* is not US giving us some charity, it was to avert a crisis you fool. Why should US develop Indian economy, at the most they can help us if we ask, or provide some money or technology. Look I am not a big US fan or I don't say just do everything the US asks us also I know the US has done some shady things in the past, but definitely the deal is good for India as well as US.
RE:Remember history
by Calspadeaspade on Jul 09, 2008 10:15 PM Permalink
Abraham, I respect your views. But just because US did not help us in the past does not mean they dont want good relations with INdia. We all have heard there are no permanent friends or enemies but permanent interests. Now there is a possibility there is mutual benefits. MMS will not sign some thing if there is no advantage for INdia. We can say many things against him but he is no fool and like any other leaders(including BJP) he has India's interest in his heart. He has nothing to gain personally.The world situation today is such that US has recognized India's worth. They want India as a deterrent to China. Which suits INdia also. There are 2 views on this nuclear deal. Each view has its merits. But it will be a good thing if India ties up with the US.
Everybody is Just talkin about Nuclear Deal, but no body is talking about the benefits INDIA will get, Nor is anyone telling what the deal is all About. Seriously i feel that it is a NOCLEAR Deal
RE:Noclear Deal ...ha Ha Ha ha
by Joy Abraham on Jul 09, 2008 09:02 PM Permalink
India will get some Uranium from USA or other countries - that is the only benefit. USA will make huge money from this sale to India. Hoping people will allow nuclear power stations to be built in their backyard (after long agitations), India will build nuclear power stations at huge cost. Now comes some excuse and US slaps sanctions on India!!! No flow of Uranium to India and all the money we spent for the power stations is wasted. Anyone who does a risk analysis of this deal will not advise to go ahead. The risk of accident (similar to atom bomb explosion) also very high with this technology. On top of all this, it can only produce electricity which cannot be used as fuel in cars and buses - and the price of this electricity will be more expensive than all other means of electricity production, one KWh (unit) may cost Rs 10 my friend.
RE:Noclear Deal ...ha Ha Ha ha
by dear on Jul 09, 2008 09:25 PM Permalink
having said that all is not bad in this deal. The main problem is international isolation. We are contineously denied nuclear technology, which is useful in water desalination plants, space technology, medical field. All advanced technology presently the world have is one way or other related to nuclear science. Our scientists are not allowed to attend international meetings regarding this technology. It is our need to go along with other countries. Obviously we have to pay for it and please USA. We can not do it by our own, no country in this world achieved by their own. At some point we have to bend our neck.
RE:All international Agencies are influenced by USA.No agency will work agaisnt US wish.so the heading seems to be totally wrong.
by Vikram on Jul 09, 2008 08:28 PM Permalink
What is this anti-USA tirade. Are you a fking fundamentalist mullah who is bothered about Iraq. India engages with various other nations too to secure it's interests.
RE:All international Agencies are influenced by USA.No agency will work agaisnt US wish.so the heading seems to be totally wrong.
by All Right on Jul 09, 2008 08:30 PM Permalink
No Ravan is a funamentalist Hindu - a knickerwallah who toes the BJP line
the NSG will agree only because US will "influence" them. Like they influenced IAEA. US expects that decency from India that they will do 123 with them after US "influences" NSG to welcome India. So there is a US connection. If they are ditched, they can influence NSG again to go against us.
RE:there is a US connection
by Vikram on Jul 09, 2008 08:25 PM Permalink
There is nothing for India to lose. Anything is better than nuclear isolation.
RE:there is a US connection
by Joy Abraham on Jul 09, 2008 08:39 PM Permalink
what is this loss. are we losing anything now? our country is developing (8 -9 %)faster than USA UK Europe and most other countries. so why the US loves us so much now? what did they give us when we were poor and struggling even for food? they sent the 7th fleet to attack us during 1971 Bagladesh war. Ony because of Indira Gandhi's courage they could do nothing. You all want to fall at their feet? What did they do to help us when we were fighting for freedeom from the slavery of British? Now we are becoming rich and so they want to include us in their club.
what I beleive is,that we are more competant and having enormous resources to produce the radio active substances within India.Than, why it can not be done here.this will cut the many expenses and middleman profits.
True. NSG clearance is essential and after that India can negotiate with any nation. BJP is taking a anti-national stand by opposing the PM on this issue. I hope they change their stand at least now.
RE:One side US is funding pakistan and supplying weappons the other side theya re fighting against terrorisam
by All Right on Jul 09, 2008 08:28 PM Permalink
True Ravan but that is as of now. Once there is a Democratic President, things will change radically. US now aims to build up India as a counterweight to China - that explains the opposition by the left. Building up India is also seen as a strategic necessity of the US to check Pakistan and Iran.
