At last the black sheeps are out.Now the Govt. can devote fully to the devolopment works,there will not be any leg pulling.With 60 MPs and with less than10% of votes they were dictating terms putting hardles in every steps of the Govt.They made the PMs post a rediculous one.The evils are out and the Govt.should try to implement policy to give relief to the people and go for the Election,enough is enough.The so called left party will not get even 30 seats in parliament in the next election.
These commies in India are such a hopeless lot. They support lazy people and harass the hard-working industrious ones. I know this very well as I am from Kerala.
It is very important to note that India is hardly a threat to the US. The US does not care one bit if this does not go through. I am in the US and this does not even feature in the presidential campaingns going on. The benefits and the risks are all for India. Some US companies will get an opportunity to make money. But then we'll get access to the fuel that'd allow us to invest more in nuclear energy. This will result in better technology over the years and will improve our ability to research into weapons later, if needed.
Sign this deal and align with the US. Take a look at all the countries that have aligned with the US versus ones that aligned with the commie undemocratic Rusians and Chinese. Ditch communism for ever and deport all commies to China.
RE:Communism is a failed ideology!
by Lalatendu Deo on Jul 08, 2008 10:22 PM Permalink
I do not buy your implied suggestion that says those that allied with the US have gained any thing from that country. I do see not even one country that has really benefited. Once you become dependent on the US, she will start interfering in all your affairs.
Yes, nuclear issue is altogether a different issue, and I support it on its merit. But can we make the US adhere to all those that that country has promised in it, in future. That is a big question. She will surely invent some thing or other for defying any rule or treaty, if she found, at any time, any thing that does not suit her. It is for sure.
RE:Communism is a failed ideology!
by Anup Nair on Jul 08, 2008 10:41 PM Permalink
Well said,lalatendu.
Some naive judgements are made by our politicians and their supporters. The NRI,s in USA being too emotional and want the two countries to get closer, but at what cost to the Indians living in INDIA. WILL THE AMERICAN NRI'S BE HAPPY WHEN WE BECOME SLAVES TO USA.
RE:Communism is a failed ideology!
by Debo Mcnair on Jul 08, 2008 11:03 PM Permalink
Can you explain the context in which INdians in INdia will become slaves to the US? Lets say the deal goes through. How can the US interfere in our internal matters? Explain the whole scenario.
RE:RE:Communism is a failed ideology!
by Lalatendu Deo on Jul 08, 2008 11:43 PM Permalink
Debo, have you seen the behaviour of the UK in all these years vis-a-vis the US? Even the France and Germany have toned down their voices. Do you see the condition of Pakistan & Afghanistan? Have you ever seen Philippines, Saudi or Australia, speaking out against any single policy of the US? You may remember during Iraq war of Sr. Bush, the lady solders of the US were seen moving around in bikinis in the Saudi, when that was NATO's Central command. And after long persuasion, US did heed to restrict these beauties to within their Camps. You must be well aware about this. I have seen those clippings on BBC. Can you imagine an Indian girl doing so there? She would be lynched to death in no time, along with all her relatives there.
No, None of the countries that allied with the US had gained. And none will be.
RE:Communism is a failed ideology!
by Debo Mcnair on Jul 08, 2008 11:51 PM Permalink
And what did Russia, China and India who have had no US influence do? Nothing! The fact is that US is too powerful, both militarily and economically, to be affected by any other country. Unfortunately thats the current situation.
RE:Communism is a failed ideology!
by Lalatendu Deo on Jul 09, 2008 12:17 AM Permalink
Which is why the trio is building up an alliance to counter the US, say in 2030.
Treaties and deals are OK, but it is too dangerous to keep a wolf in place of a Dog while seeking extra security of the house.
RE:Communism is a failed ideology!
by Nithin Sadasivan on Jul 08, 2008 11:27 PM Permalink
What Anup Nair is talking about is not about US interfering in the internal matters of India but the Foreign Policy.
Coalition ruling is increasingly becoming a pehnomenon in Indian politics - A symbol of how fragmented we have become. In wake of the recent dirty politics that surround coalition politics, it is time that some Consitutional ammendments are made to put conditions and penalty to wihdrawing of support and causing mid term elections. The reckless burden on citizens needs to be more controlled and defined as opposed to notional ideas of parties about what is deal breaking of common minimum programme and whats not.
Any ruling coalition should be committed to five years by law and bring more stability to the politics of this country.
Unfortunately the buggers are also the law makers and they will never vote for such an ammendment! Catch 22!
RE:Consitutional Ammendment
by Lalatendu Deo on Jul 08, 2008 10:09 PM Permalink
But, no political party will vote for such an amendment. We must have to live with it.
Even better would be the presidential system of government. Here, irrespective of the strength of the Parties in Parliament, threat of destabilisation will never come. And automatically, smaller parties, including regional parties, would wane away from national politics.
Even here, no parties will vote for it. When Indira Gandhi could not do it, no one else can do it in near future, at least.
Energy (from fossil fuel) crises is worsening day by day. Biofuel is not affordable at the cost of food grains. Ethanol (from sugarcane molasses), biofuel from soybean,from maize and other agriculture produce is not affordable because farmers will switch-over to these crops which in turn causes shortages of food grains. Solar energy generation technology is also very costly. In the future if this technology is affordable again farmers will start doing "SUN FARMING" which in turn causes shortages of food grains. We have to search for another alternative fuel sources. About rising inflation, prices of agriculture produce have risen and farmers are benefitted. Wheat from Rs. 700/quintal to Rs. 1200 per quintal, Soybean from Rs.1300/quintal to Rs.2700 per quintal, cotton from Rs. 2100 per quintal to Rs. 3100 per quintal. Thats what we (farmers) want. Urbans have enjoyed the benefits of economic liberalization from 1995 to 2007. If farmers are enjoying today why it hurts urbans. During NDA regime, they said "INDIA SHINING" but they lost the election cause they ignored the agriculture sector, Chandrababu Naidu lost the election cause he ignored the farming sector and concentrated entire state's resources on the development of IT. People who are bashing congress government should note that they waived the loans on farmers, increased the subsidy on urea, DAP, seeds, insecticides, pesticides, herbicides and that will benefit the congress in the next election.
The forum does not discuss why we need this deal keeping long term benefits in mind. India has hostile neighbours. Pak, Chin, Bangladesh etc all are united. They have become very powerful economically and militarily. It is hardly now impossible that a war jointly by atleast china and pak may happen sooner than later. China's economic might will ensure that pak and bangladesh will be helped like us and ussr did in the middle east thereby crippling india for ever. they have succeeded in nepal this way. india is just a few years away. the middle east hostory shows that aligning with one of the powers wil always help in deterring countries like china etc. israel successfully first used france, then usa to diplomatically win over arabs. and militarily they succeeded in developing their own deterrence and offense. India is just doing the same and we have no other option going forward. the future will be again be bipolar with usa and china as the two superpowers. it is time every indian realised this.
Further, people who are complaining about pm focussing on inflation than nuclear deal do not realise that inflation is a short term issue. in long term, fuel costs will increase the inflation always since fuel is less in earth. nuclear energy will help reduce our energy needs thereby scope of inflation. further, arab countries are or will be anyways inimical to india when china and pak appears. usa would only the power to control fuel prices in future. it therefore makes sense
RE:think through
by raj rajan on Jul 08, 2008 09:42 PM Permalink
your comment seemed very realistic to me.. some people cry that congress has taken our pride down.. i laugh at them, bcoz the prob with many of us is that we dont try to see the reality.. do those people think that after fighting and loosing to china our pride will fly high?? comeon guys, you have to survive first before trying to flaunt your so called "pride" in front of others.. try to be realistic..
RE:think through
by Kaandy on Jul 08, 2008 09:12 PM Permalink
congress has taken india to the lowest level of dignity. they are the real traitor in country. this deal is just about making money. this is so anti-india. 13 out of 24 nuclear plan in india will come under UN radar once this deal is approved. Congress is real gadddar party of india.
RE:think through
by Cool Customer on Jul 08, 2008 09:59 PM Permalink
How does Plants coming in UN radar equate to hurt pride?
DO you know we are a nation in debt? DO you know bulk of much of what we have built was funded externally? What is your feeling about the projects that are funded by World Bank or other foreign institutions who govern how the project is built and how the spending is used? Do you feel ashamed of that too, since these are 'foreign inspectors on our soil' meddling on what we build? Is it shameful? Then you should be ashamed of significant amount of infrastructure projects built in India since Independence that were funded and inspected. What does that do to your 'pride'?
Why because it is a business ethical norm that the Supplier ensures that you use the money and resources suplied to you for the purpose you bought it for. Oh, they shouldnt care how and what we use it for ? WRONG! We dont get the resources then. That applies to anything including Nuclear material.
This deal is a smart deal and carefully crafted. It is not a blunt level of handshake and sellout. THis is a complex achevement of doplomacy and technical skills. India would have been proud if we had gone through this deal of showing that we have grown.
Unbelievable!!!! Congress has taken our country to the lowest levels... Amar Singh is out with money bags, his recent claim(TOI) he was able to buy 7 BSP MPs. Unbelieve people still call this Sardaar Dr. Singh His Doctorate should be taken off and should be put in Prison...
RE:Amar Singh Out with Money Bags
by navtej singh on Jul 08, 2008 09:56 PM Permalink
you sound like PA of amar singh or you received any money from ADVANI to write these shit comment . One thing is sure you have Afgan blood they never like sardar
RE:Amar Singh Out with Money Bags
by Indian Indian on Jul 08, 2008 09:16 PM Permalink
Thanks 'S' you didn't call me Traitor Sardaar or Maino Antonia(I don't expect her to be Indian Nationalist anyway)...I have least respect for the Leftist but for this 1 thing my personal belief they are doing the right thing..
RE:RE:Amar Singh Out with Money Bags
by navtej singh on Jul 08, 2008 10:02 PM Permalink
Left front are chinese agent . Only one country had indian influence that was Nepal even that is under now almost under chinese control so there is one more front to counter CPM OR CPI never said any thing about it. so India had no option other than to make strong alliance to counter chinese threat. if you want to know about Sardars you must read history who fought for the country, for ur information i can tell you afgans stopped robbing TEMPLES and snatching HINDU women only when these foolish sardar came to power in north india some great RAJPUT was used to let them humiliate india to save their own skin and their tinny empires . So dont suspect Sardar Patriotism
Energy (from fossil fuel) crises is worsening day by day. Biofuel is not affordable at the cost of food grains. Ethanol (from sugarcane molasses), biofuel from soybean,from maize and other agriculture produce is not affordable because farmers will switch-over to these crops which in turn causes shortages of food grains. Solar energy generation technology is also very costly. In the future if this technology is affordable again farmers will start doing "SUN FARMING" which in turn causes shortages of food grains. We have to search for another alternative fuel sources. About rising inflation, prices of agriculture produce have risen and farmers are benefitted. Wheat from Rs. 700/quintal to Rs. 1200 per quintal, Soybean from Rs.1300/quintal to Rs.2700 per quintal, cotton from Rs. 2100 per quintal to Rs. 3100 per quintal. Thats what we (farmers) want. Urbans have enjoyed the benefits of economic liberalization from 1995 to 2007. If farmers are enjoying today why it hurts urbans. During NDA regime, they said "INDIA SHINING" but they lost the election cause they ignored the agriculture sector, Chandrababu Naidu lost the election cause he ignored the farming sector and concentrated entire state's resources on the development of IT. People who are bashing congress government should note that they waived the loans on farmers, increased the subsidy on urea, DAP, seeds, insecticides, pesticides, herbicides and that will benefit the congress in the next election.
The forum does not discuss why we need this deal keeping long term benefits in mind. India has hostile neighbours. Pak, Chin, Bangladesh etc all are united. They have become very powerful economically and militarily. It is hardly now impossible that a war jointly by atleast china and pak may happen sooner than later. China's economic might will ensure that pak and bangladesh will be helped like us and ussr did in the middle east thereby crippling india for ever. they have succeeded in nepal this way. india is just a few years away. the middle east hostory shows that aligning with one of the powers wil always help in deterring countries like china etc. israel successfully first used france, then usa to diplomatically win over arabs. and militarily they succeeded in developing their own deterrence and offense. India is just doing the same and we have no other option going forward. the future will be again be bipolar with usa and china as the two superpowers. it is time every indian realised this.
Further, people who are complaining about pm focussing on inflation than nuclear deal do not realise that inflation is a short term issue. in long term, fuel costs will increase the inflation always since fuel is less in earth. nuclear energy will help reduce our energy needs thereby scope of inflation. further, arab countries are or will be anyways inimical to india when china and pak appears. usa would only the power to control fuel prices in future. it therefore makes sense
Hello All, See when someone cant standup on his own legs and need support of someone then it would be a wiser idea to take Strongest one avilable to him.Now MMS is doing that only.We already made blunders in the past from Nehru to Indira by supporting USSR rather than US. Why India should have good relation to USSR why not US.The only thning is geographically USSR is in Asia and near to us than US.Other than that what are the advantages we have. Whether US or USSR the purpose is same buying their technology and war weapons. Now India atleast trying to be a friend of mighty country like US.Do we have dare to say US that we will develop import and export Uranium as we like it.Iran which is much much smaller country probably less armed county than us has dare to declare on war on US and Isreal.We dont have nuts to attack POK though we all know what is going on there.We all should be practical and better understand that right time and right decison will change someone's fate.It applicable to nation aswell.It is time to improve infrastructure of country.If you compare with western countries we still struggling to provide basic needs to people.Electricity is one of them.And we must use nuclear energy if not now in future.We already late in that process.One thing is sure that Communists in India are always supporters of CHINA who is claiming Our north east states parts now.And who is supporting maoists in India.Is is not true that china is the power behind the maoists.are they no
Let's not fight over politics or parties as we all agree that national interest is bigger than all. Let's see this deal beyond who supports and opposes it and rather judge it on its merit. Why is Congress Government not discuss this in Parliament and address all concerns? Why should it rush into it?
This nuclear deal is certainly not clean and comes with lot of strings. US is a master tactician and it always gains lion's share of any deal. It certainly hopes to make India one of its "allies", just how it has screwed so many countries.
Look at Pakistan: US has BIG say in its internal affairs now. Do we want US to dictate India too in future?
Also, Nuclear deal isn't the only issue but the whole US-India next level strategic alliance. What happend to our NAM? Do we want India to be waging US' wars on other countries?
Let India be proud and independent country, not have any unholy alliance with anyone: Be it US or China.
RE:Nation, not parties, important
by navtej singh on Jul 08, 2008 10:16 PM Permalink
yaeh i agree it could lead to some sort of stategic partnership between india and USA , still France and Russia are supporting this deal because this deal is in every ones interest , India need lot of energy to develop and maintain itself so we need alternate source of energy to divert the pressure away from fossil fuel. secondly it will take india to world stage if there is some thing in deal that is does not suite we need we can get it amended when we are in position dictate , just like we did with sanctions after the nuclear test in 1998. If you say any thing about NAM , it was organisation of weaker nations thats why it never managed to influence any decision at world level. if we want to play role at world level we have to make some decision, bold one's. look at china and russia they was enemies at the height of cold war but now they are allies. I dont see any thing wrong in it if India is tilting towards USA. becuse we lost our closest ally russia to chinsa .there is nothing untouchable ,sacred ,holly or unholly, it is survival of fittest we need to make india fit.
RE:Nation, not parties, important
by Prem Kumar on Jul 08, 2008 09:02 PM Permalink
Agreed, nuclear energy is very important but we oppostion is not against nuclear energy itself but the way currently it is being done: with 123 agreement and Hyde act involved.
Let's just talk about merits and demerits of the deal and the strategic alliance. This deal comes with lot of baggage.
India has to change its foriegn policy stand even before the deal was signed: "Voting against Iran in nuclear security issue". US congressman and Senator openly warned India to vote againt Iran if we want the deal to complete. This is atrocious; these petty politicians threatening our great nation.
Also, India has no enmity against Iran. Actually, we have had very good relationship with them. Iran is the only country which kind of vetoed the resolution, moved by pakistan, condemning India in OIC [organuzation of Islamic countires conf] some 20 years ago. It even gave permission for India to use its airspace and land incase of war with Pakistan. why should we vote against a friend?
This is just the beginning and we will lose much more than what we gain from this alliance.
