It is all just drama by Left and Congress. There is just eight more months. Samajvadi Party is friend of Left. So Left arranged AmarSingh and Mulayam Singh to Support the congress. No one including BJP, Communist parties are not against the Nuclear Deal. But they cannot show it openly for political reasons. So they found a way with no compromise in the public eye. Only thing we have watch is how does this going affect the parliamentary elections in UP. SJP goes very close to congress; Maya Madam may come near to BJP. But you never know about Mayavati. Other then that it does not have any effect on political system as whole
RE:It is Drama
by VinayBabu Ravuri on Jul 08, 2008 01:24 AM Permalink
Giving support to the deal would have actually fetched a lot of fanfare for the commies and bjp. They are not supporting the deal coz they can't bear to see others in good light even if it is in the interest of the nation.
RE:It is Drama
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 01:22 AM Permalink
May not be a drama.
A SP-Cong tieup in UP will push BJP third place, probably not opening its account - losing 15 seats they hold today.
A SP-JDS-Cong tieup in Karnataka commanding 55% vote share will ensure BJP will not open its account - losing 18 seats they now hold.
Orissa, MP, Rajasthan & Chattisgarh - NDA/BJP governments face strong anti-incumbency -BJP expected to significantly lose seats
WB - a Congress-TMC tieup will imply Congress/UPA more seats at the cost of Commies. Kerala the Commies are destined to a white wash. Cong to gain 20 seats
And this is the short list.
So tell me where does BJP or for that fact the Commies or BSP expect to gain to offset these losses? That's why they contemplated that they will cast aside their ideological differences and roping the SP they could topple the UPA.
Unfortunately they failed and ended up with mud on their faces.
RE:It is Drama
by Niladri Ganguly on Jul 08, 2008 01:37 AM Permalink
BJP-led NDA will win the general elections and form govt. This stupid congress and anti-people commies will be thrown out
God bless left Front- The are the true patriotic parties who cares for our country.....If they loved power they should have share portfolios in this govt. instead of outside support
RE:Left Front is doing great job- they will never allow to sell our nation
by vynie ann on Jul 08, 2008 05:45 AM Permalink
Hi Raj I agree that the communist members are intelligent and far educated than most of our politicians but I also wonder why Bengal has lost its charm? Bengal was once a progessive state, what is left of it now? Even in Kerala for that matter there is hardly any industrial growth. Fortunately most of the Keralites end up going abroad for a living. That's saved the state but sadly Communism has ruined Bengal.So where are your true patriots?
RE:RE:Left Front is doing great job- they will never allow to sell our nation
by PKN on Jul 08, 2008 01:26 AM Permalink
If Left front continues to do its good work , this country will sink and then stink. Of course "they will never allow to sell our nation" since nobody want to buy it. After next elections they will be able to give only outside support since they will have nobody inside ( I mean inside the Parliament ) .
The New York Times said in an editorial headlined, 'No Rush, Please', :
"there is no reason at all to rush. President Bush gave away far too much and got far too little for this deal".
The NYT full page full page advertisements against Sonia Gandhi when she came to New York to addresx the UN General Assembly. So they cannot be accused of being soft on the Congress.
This is a setback for the Commies and knickerwallahs who were saying that the deal was anti-national.
RE:More Bad News for Commies and Knickerwallhs
by Spiderman on Jul 08, 2008 01:06 AM Permalink
In the end it will be a bad news for whole India when US will hold our neck.........
RE:More Bad News for Commies and Knickerwallhs
by VinayBabu Ravuri on Jul 08, 2008 01:18 AM Permalink
India's signing a deal which is far better than any other nuclear deal ever signed till now. No non-NPT signatory has signed a nuclear deal till now. Only countries who'll have a chance to hold our neck are pak n china coz they don't need a deal to transfer sinister technologies.
RE:More Bad News for Commies and Knickerwallhs
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 01:13 AM Permalink
Yes that was the same criticism made against Manmohan Singh in the nineties when was liberalizing the economy.
He laid the foundation for India to jump to a higher economic orbit. It this track record that makes majority of at least urban middle class to trust him
RE:More Bad News for Commies and Knickerwallhs
by Hate Who divides on Jul 08, 2008 01:30 AM Permalink
He is the great economist ......heard he is Harvard scholar ...........he studied over there ..... he must have educatd about the benefits of liberalsed economy ............But if you see what happened to Ukraine after similar deal with US ........Nothing Bad but nuclear trade between Iran and Ukraine pull down by US ................ If they similarly do smething ............. that will definitely hurt us .............well regardinng Fuel folw my doubt is cleared that other NSG will supply us ................... Nuclear test wont be possible but for something we need we have to compromise .............. 1 q arise that why similar deal is not done with russia as thay are always a support for US ....they supported India in 1998 in trade sanction due to test
RE:More Bad News for Commies and Knickerwallhs
by raj sreedhar on Jul 08, 2008 01:17 AM Permalink
spiderman, Have some guts and courage. India is not some bannana republic . And the US knows that very well. And they are not there to spoil the relation. India and the US need each other. There is no premenent enemies or friends in diplomatic relations. All based on interest. Get that thru your Commie head. US is a democracy like India unlike your mother land CHINA.
RE:Congress might win more seats or maybe even comeback to power because of Nuclear deal which is definitely anti-national..
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 12:54 AM Permalink
And may I ask how will it place India at a greater disadvantage??
RE:Congress might win more seats or maybe even comeback to power because of Nuclear deal which is definitely anti-national..
by PKN on Jul 08, 2008 02:01 AM Permalink
Wake Up Veera , I wish you were correct and this nation had progressed enough to fight elections on such important issues. Elections will be faught on stupid issues. Caste , reservation , secularism , communalism etc etc . Poor Manmohan Singh who is a good man and not a sub standard politician may beleive that people would vote based on issues like N-deal. But the smart polticians realize that this wont work . Amarnath issue will work for BJP and 27% reservation will work for Congress . On the day that the N-deal issue was boiling over see what the big leaders were doing :- Rahul Gandhi leads a delegation of MLAs to the MP Governor and demanded dismissal of the BJP government in MP for communal riots in Indore Rajnath Singh was in Jammu promising to revoke the order that was revoked by the Azad Government giving 40 Hectares of and to Sgrine board if ( YES IF ) the people of Jammu helped BJP return to power . India may be the Worlds largest democasy but we still fight elections on petty issues !
RE:Congress might win more seats or maybe even comeback to power because of Nuclear deal which is definitely anti-national..
by VenkataRagahvan S on Jul 08, 2008 12:55 AM Permalink
Rightly said. Congress did finally gud thing almost 5 years. Congress should continue and BJP..thinking only of power and not looking for nation interest. Mr. Prakash Karat, think nation and then talk others..for a change
RE:Congress might win more seats or maybe even comeback to power because of Nuclear deal which is definitely anti-national..
by Spiderman on Jul 08, 2008 01:00 AM Permalink
Same was thought about British East India Agreement..........US can never think of benefit of a browny nation like India.....this we will learn later after paying price.....
RE:Congress might win more seats or maybe even comeback to power because of Nuclear deal which is definitely anti-national..
by VinayBabu Ravuri on Jul 08, 2008 12:55 AM Permalink
Don't just go for rhetoric. If u have valid point mention that point. Nuclear deal gives us technology and uranium by keeping our Civilian nuclear reactors under safeguards of IAEA which is done in case of all the countries including US, Russia, China, etc. Being isolated is no greatness - being recognised among the crowd in greatness.
RE:Congress might win more seats or maybe even comeback to power because of Nuclear deal which is definitely anti-national..
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 01:02 AM Permalink
No reply. These knickerwallahs just make statements against the deal without able to substantiate it.
That is typical trait of a knickerwallah. Rumor mongering, disinformation etc
RE:Congress might win more seats or maybe even comeback to power because of Nuclear deal which is definitely anti-national..
by PKN on Jul 08, 2008 01:47 AM Permalink
Anyone you disgrees with you is a Knickerwalla . That is the only thing that makes every one of your points ( some good/others bad ) look suspicous ! Since you read only the N.Y Times you will understand there is Obama who beleives that N-Deal should not go ahead and there is Bush who thinks that the deal is the best thing . Does that make Obama a Knickerwalla ? If the deal was wonderful ( I personally think it is good. Not because I think that Nuclear Energy is going to solve our problems two days after we sign it but I think it would reflect a global acceptance of India as an equal partner ) why did Dr Singh and Sonia sign the deal one year back ? Why did not Sonia and Co dump the left and sacrifice the Government and sign the deal . Why did they need the support of the BJP ? Was 10 Janpath expecting Advani , Modi & Co to give them support from outside in place of the left . Let BJP and Knickerwallas say what they want , the Congress could have signed the deal with out even going to the Parliament! Why did Dr Singh say that one deal is not important enoguh to sacrifice the UPA governemt just 9 months back ? BJP is playing politics no better than the Congress is ! Decide if your fighting for the Deal or against Knickerwallas.
I think Mr. Karat & Co. is basically worried for China. Muslims are worried for power and Mr. L. K. Advani & co. is worried for the power. Ms. Mayawati and the likes of Deve Gouda are worried for the PM ship. With all this my prediction Congress will be voted back to power with thumping majority.
RE:IAEA Deal
by Saturnina Dyer on Jul 08, 2008 12:59 AM Permalink
No harm, the USA is the most powerful and progressive nation on earth. Better for India to be under her wing than under China's or Russia's. Moreover, the latter two countries are not truly democracies.
RE:IAEA Deal
by RB on Jul 08, 2008 01:09 AM Permalink
Saturnina Dyer , are you related to General Dyer who massacred over 50000 innocent indians at jalianwala....Dyer was the ancestor or americans....
RE:IAEA Deal
by Saturnina Dyer on Jul 08, 2008 01:35 AM Permalink
RB - Please do not display your low culture and mentality on this forum by trying to throw aspersions on peoples' names.
Nuclear deal is the only right thing that Congress did in four years and nobody likes Congress government to fall for doing one right thing. The entire nation supports Congress in this deal except the lunatics. Sorry BJP you are wrong this time.
RE:Left withdrawal of support Congress
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 12:48 AM Permalink
It is not the only right thing the UPA did. More important achievement are highlighted by Business Standard:
"Start with the performance of the economy. Its growth rate last year has been upped from 8.7 per cent to 9 per cent, taking the average rate of growth in the four years of the Manmohan Singh government to 8.9 per cent. I cannot think of any other government that would not make a bit of a noise about such stellar success, and draw comparisons with the record of its predecessor (5.9 per cent over six years) — showing a jump of 50 per cent. Or take agriculture, whose annual growth during the UPA term has been 3.6 per cent — again a jump of nearly 50 per cent, and the best record since the 1980s."
Vajpayee and Narinder Modi, by the silence, support the Deal.
Brajesh Mishra, former advisor to Vajpayee and former National Security Advisor support the Deal.
Abdul Kalam -Ex-President and candidate of the NDA support the Deal.
So why the BJP opposes the deal?
there is a difference. CPM's opposition is mainly because they are allergic to closer ties with the US, who they consider the most powerful imperistitic power in the world - the leader in the pack of all imperialistic powers.
The BJP's opposition is simply to prevent Congress taking the credit for a watershed deal and running away with BJP's urban vote base
In 1999, Vajpayee as PM and in 2000 Jaswant Singh as Foreign Minister of NDA, on the floor of the UN General Assembly categorically gave an assurance that India will refrain from nuclear tests, justifying such a position that India had no need to test.
So the BJP has made a turnaround. They now say that the deal reiterates the stand Vajpayee and Jaswant Singh made at the UN General Assembly and so they oppose the deal.
The NDA government was keen to sign such a deal with worse terms. Fortunately for India, the NDA fell
RE:The Nuke Deal has Even Split the BJP
by RB on Jul 08, 2008 12:40 AM Permalink
America will make RSS and BJP gay. America is melting pot. Whereever they sign any deal they change the whole nation. All of you will convert to Evangelico and Hiduism will be dead soon after US and European Spy will enslave all of you in thier interest...
RE:The Nuke Deal has Even Split the BJP
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 12:45 AM Permalink
Why should the US make the RSS and BJP gay. They are mostly gay. The best known Gay face is Modi.
RE:The Nuke Deal has Even Split the BJP
by raj sreedhar on Jul 08, 2008 01:21 AM Permalink
All Right , Your Commie leaders look more gay.Especially That SOB Karat.
RE:The Nuke Deal has Even Split the BJP
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 01:30 AM Permalink
Karat is no Gay. He has the charming and well articulated Brinda as wife.
Modi's wife on the other ran away as they say his sexual orientation, how o say, was different
RE:The Nuke Deal has Even Split the BJP
by indianpatriot on Jul 08, 2008 12:45 AM Permalink
600 years of islamic savagery and 300 years of Budhist aggression could not finish Hinduism....
(Remember Islamic savagery converted entire middle east, persian empire and northern africa, indonesia, malaysia to ISLAM) Do you think Nuclear deal with USA will finish Hinduism???????
RE:The Nuke Deal has Even Split the BJP
by Ghanta Ram on Jul 08, 2008 12:42 AM Permalink
what kind of reply is this to a fact based post? Why are you degrading Hindu religion by making stupid comments and also saying yourself as indianpatriot. It's ok if you support BJP but what is the need for making non-sense comment ?
RE:The Nuke Deal has Even Split the BJP
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 01:04 AM Permalink
These knickerwallahs just make statements against the deal without able to substantiate it.
That is typical trait of a knickerwallah. Rumor mongering, disinformation etc
RE:Nuclear Deal is good for INDIA...
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 12:36 AM Permalink
And who says it isn't? That senile Advani who even his collegues like Yashwant Sinha says lied through his teeth while painting himself Prime Ministerial in his book
1- India will have to borrow 2000 billion Euros to pay US and European companies that does not include our taxpayers and reserve.
2- Country will become number one deptor in the world.
3- Pakistan and China will countinue to upgrade or develop thier nuclear arseanal until Pakistan becomes far more powerful than India. India will be banned to carry out any ballastic missile test after the treaty and will be penalised in big way in case of breach.
4-US president and congress has the full right to change modify or cancel this agreement without notifying India whereas India cannot even renegotiate this treaty.
5- US and Eropean spy agencies will have full access to India nuclear plans and defence and India is subject to inspection of nuclear plant and arsenal.
RE:The real price of nuclear deal
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 01:14 AM Permalink
How can Spidermen be right when he has not even read 123 Agreement by his own admission?
RE:The real price of nuclear deal
by Spiderman on Jul 08, 2008 01:04 AM Permalink
this is just an ordinary cost even small nation have spent only in the beginning- nuclear reactors and enery is not free for brownies-its for profit for west.
RE:RE:The real price of nuclear deal
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 01:18 AM Permalink
So basically Spiderman you are admitting it is basically only your own assumption.
RE:The real price of nuclear deal
by Rajiv on Jul 08, 2008 12:34 AM Permalink
US will have access only to the Civilian Nuclear Plants.....and yeah as you say India is not signing any NPT...so India can make any ballastic missile when it comes to the security of our country...
RE:The real price of nuclear deal
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 12:41 AM Permalink
These knickerwallahs are a desperate lot. After months saying the deal is dead, when it is all set to operationalize, they do best which they are known for - spreading disinformation.
If you ask this Spiderman, how he concluded the 5 points he listed as price for nuclear deal, you will not get an answer.
The 123 Agreement can be accessed from the internet by Google search.
Let Spiderman read the agreement and then cite the relevant clauses to justify the points he circulates.
RE:The real price of nuclear deal
by VinayBabu Ravuri on Jul 08, 2008 01:05 AM Permalink
Thorium based technology is at research level. To complete the research and build a reactor on that technology successfully will take much more than 10 years. And who told u that the govt. will be using forex for nuclear technology and who said that uranium is available in AP, Kerala, Chattisgarh and Meghalaya. It's juss rumour mongering.
RE:The real price of nuclear deal
by Spiderman on Jul 08, 2008 12:54 AM Permalink
All Right - I don't have to read as I have been going through comments of renown american experts who are telling the benefit of this deal to America....
RE:The real price of nuclear deal
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 01:10 AM Permalink
There he admitted it. He has not read the 123 Agreement. If you probe further the so-called American experts are NRI Knickerwallahs!! He would not be able to name any of these experts.
So this exemplifies how knickerwallahs engage in disinformation campaign
Mr.Carrot.. oops! Karat, Please come to the media and give your famous expression, as you gave when saying honeymoon is over now is the real time. he he he .... you are fit to be a bafoon!!!
