There is a sense of unease among the fairly large section of the population on this deal. It is not the deal in itself BUT the manner in which MMSji has handled it. A person who has been subservient and said YES for almost everything many of which was due to political compulsions rather than in the interest of the Nation suddenly rakes up the courage on a deal which neither the Country nor the Parliament has little knowledge about. He promises to do the unthinkable by saying I will first ink the deal and then place this before the Parliament. In other words many foreign nationals would be aware of the fine print before our own Parliament or the people of this country become aware of this. Thereafter should there be some genuine reservation about certain clauses little can be done about this. Therefore MMSji take the opposition and your own countrymen into confidence or else you will fall into some elaborate trap laid by Bush. Why this unseemly hurry to do the deal before Bush is leaves? Is the Agreement not with America? Do you believe that this despot would do something good for us at the cost of America? How are other close allies of USA faring including the one next door? Americans are now bombing and raiding them and where is their sovereignty? Do you forget the Mush and Bush dialogue about being partners in the fight against terrorism? Where is that Partnership? Wake up MMSji or the country will never forgive you.
RE:The Deal
by kieran dsouza on Jul 08, 2008 12:09 PM Permalink
Rightly said Mr. Kuttaiah. The deal should first be discussed in Parliament and have approval of majority of parliamentarians including opposition before being approved. Also scientific community and legal experts should voice their opinion.
RE:RE:The Deal
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 07:24 AM Permalink
Assuming your apprehensions have an element of truth so what does the 1-2-3 Agreement (assuming the likes of Kuttiah has not bothered to read the agreement):
A. If the Agreement works in detriment to India we can Terminate under Article 14
1. Either Party shall have the right to terminate this Agreement prior to its expiration on one year's written notice to the other Party. A Party giving notice of termination shall provide the reasons for seeking such termination. The Agreement shall terminate one year from the date of the written notice, unless the notice has been withdrawn by the providing Party in writing prior to the date of termination.
B. If the Hyde Act is seriously implemented by the US, we can pass our own laws to neutralize the Hyde Act- Article 2
1. The Parties shall cooperate in the use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes in accordance with the provisions of this Agreement. Each Party shall implement this Agreement in accordance with its respective applicable treaties, national laws, regulations, and license requirements concerning the use of nuclear energy for peaceful purpose
It is to remembered that the deal is only nuclear civilian cooperation.
The US will provide us technological transfers and uranium supplies to reactors for civilian purpose - for this they seek guarantees that enriched uranium will not be diverted for militrary purpose.
What we do with our own or other friendly countries (like Russia) technology or uranium is outside the purv
RE:The Deal
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 07:23 AM Permalink
Assuming your apprehensions have an element of truth so what does the 1-2-3 Agreement (assuming the likes of Kuttiah has not bothered to read the agreement):
A. If the Agreement works in detriment to India we can Terminate under Article 14
1. Either Party shall have the right to terminate this Agreement prior to its expiration on one year's written notice to the other Party. A Party giving notice of termination shall provide the reasons for seeking such termination. The Agreement shall terminate one year from the date of the written notice, unless the notice has been withdrawn by the providing Party in writing prior to the date of termination.
B. If the Hyde Act is seriously implemented by the US, we can pass our own laws to neutralize the Hyde Act- Article 2
1. The Parties shall cooperate in the use of nuclear energy for peaceful purposes in accordance with the provisions of this Agreement. Each Party shall implement this Agreement in accordance with its respective applicable treaties, national laws, regulations, and license requirements concerning the use of nuclear energy for peaceful purpose
It is to remembered that the deal is only nuclear civilian cooperation.
The US will provide us technological transfers and uranium supplies to reactors for civilian purpose - for this they seek guarantees that enriched uranium will not be diverted for militrary purpose.
What we do with our own or other friendly countries (like Russia) technology or uranium is outside the purvi
congress and commies won the play. Now everybody forgot major issue like price rise and minority apeasement. Acually regarding ordinary people does not effect nuclear deal. These commis again support UPA after election. Very nice Drama
RE:Drama
by Sahadevan KK on Jul 08, 2008 09:50 AM Permalink
Congress has no knowledge about their alliance:
Congress worked as a goon against SP of Mulayam Singh in UP just before the Elections. Congress removed RJD of Laloo from government in the name of lack of development. Congress worked as a goon against NCP of Sharad Pawar, however they got more seats than Congress in Maharashtra Congress worked as a goon against JD(S) in Karnataka and it was not ready to give anything Congeess worked as a goon in J&K against PDP and played politics of appeasement. CONGRESS IMPOSED ANTI-PEOPLE POLICY AGAINST INDIAN PEOPLE AND BRUTALITY AGAINST THE LEFT, HOWEVER LEFT WANTED SOME PRO-PEOPLE WORK FROM CONGRESS.
RE:Sonia and Manmohan doing mushroom politics on Indian aam adami
by All Right on Jul 08, 2008 07:25 AM Permalink
I think that aam adami who chose to complain like Sameer are those who have not really read the 123 Agreement
congress and commies won the play. Now everybody forgot major issue like price rise and minority apeasement. Acually regarding ordinary people does not effect nuclear deal. These commis again support UPA after election. Very nice Drama
I am a BJP fan. But the way BJP has taken stand against Nuke deal, makes me have a second thought. Congress has taken national interest first and their coming back to power second. Whereas, BJP did exactly the opposite. Actually, BJP had nothing to loose to support nuke deal and supporting current government for few more months. I mean elections are not that far anyway, I don't know why they did not come out and say, you know what, nuke deal and US both are in our national interest and we will support the deal and also current government for few more months. We will serve the national interest by having a deal and avoiding early elections....But no, they washed their own brain and now I like many will vote for Congress.
RE:Congress - No matter how much I hate...I will vote for them
by Santosh on Jul 08, 2008 04:19 AM Permalink
BJP has not oppposed the nuclear deal. Being in opposition they have not supported it also. No need to hate BJP. They too planned for the nuclear deal before.
RE:Congress - No matter how much I hate...I will vote for them
by Sameer on Jul 08, 2008 05:33 AM Permalink
they should if they love the country but clearly not. Hasn't US insulted their mascot Modi? Do they have any shame or do they care about India?
RE:Congress - No matter how much I hate...I will vote for them
by rajkumar singh on Jul 08, 2008 04:37 AM Permalink
My friend there are N number of equally more important issuue which should have cought your attention. Like whole country, I belive, you wont be knowing what is this all about and what are its implications but like many so called educated people you too feel that its good for country. I salute that feeling but I feel this whole support I see in favor of Nuke deal here in this forum and elsewhere are brainwash by some media people who work for Congress. To be more specific, I think congress has given this to Times of India to write N articles everyday in support of deal and brainwash so called educated people. No, I am not a lefist if that matter, I am a BJP supporter and I dont see how many people adoring nuke deal as if this is only problem left to be solved in our country.
RE:Congress - No matter how much I hate...I will vote for them
by Crimson Red on Jul 08, 2008 05:12 AM Permalink
Rajkumar Singh, I think we all agree that the nuclear deal is not the single most important issue. But, it is very related to the other issues which we face, namely, inflation due to high prices of petroleum products. India imports more that 75% of its oil needs. India give thousands of crores susbsidy to the Oil companies to make petroleum produtcs affordable to the common man. Imagine if we reduce our relaiance on fossul fuels and increase our Nuclear Energy production it would kill two birds with the same stone. Reduces the volatility to the vagaries of the fuel market and also reduce carbon emmissions fron Coal Power Plants. Indian coal is one of the poorest quality in the world. Only about 60% of the coal actually produces energy the rest goes out as smoke, which as you would know adds to a lot of pollution. So, the point is the Nuclear deal is not the solution to all our problems, it is the means to the solution. Support it.
P.S Have you noticed the frequent power cuts in almost every city in India these days? Have you wondered why?
Depending on u.s. for nuclesr technology, on Australia for uranium and subject to inspectors from IAEA ,are we independent or not ?The way these yankee lovers are running the country , only GOD cn save us. Do any of you remember what happened to the Shah of Iran and South Vietnamese generals and people who depended on Uncle Sam ? If we depend on the whims and fancies of other countries for our energy needs, good luck . In the field of energy, We should not be accountable to anybody anytime .The present government does NOT have the right to give away our indenpendence , even partly . WHY ,WHY,WHY u.s.govt. is so anxious and eager to sign the agreement ? Do not expect the u.s.govt. to give something for nothing. I am sorry I do not agree with the opinion of our Ex-president Mr.A.P.J.Abdul Kalam. I am totally againest this deal .Too bad I do not have the power to scuttle this deal. More than 50 years of Congress rule, where are we as for as the energy needs are concerned?
RE:indo-u.s.nuclear deal
by deepak on Jul 08, 2008 03:23 AM Permalink
US is vital to the development of any free country. The Shah of Iran was a Shah, and other Islamic dictators who depended on US were past their dates of expiry. India is too divided to deal with Islamic terror and hence needs US on its good books. India cannot overlook the US, a $14 trillion economy. Its like being friends with 30% of the worlds who is who.
RE:indo-u.s.nuclear deal
by singularity on Jul 08, 2008 03:25 AM Permalink
don't worry we can still have our own millitary neclear station which is excempt from IAEA inspection.where we can build bomb.then we can kill all pople in the world
