I don't deny that Dr.Kalam knows better on nuclear deal. But that is precisely the point. Why can't the government make the points in the deal public? Why only the privileged few know about the deal? Why can't the government spell out the positives and negatives? I still don't know the answers for the following (not that I am somebody big, but it is the duty of the government to spell out exactly what we are getting into). The attitude of the PM is questionable too - as if he is the only one concerned about energy security and he will always do what is interest of the country - may be. But there may be a better option available. My questions: 1. Why not use solar and wind power which are available in plenty in our country? 2. Why not subsidise the solar and wind power generating stations/equipments, etc. and make it cheaper for public? 3. Why not allow people to generate electricity using solar and wind power on the top of the house and sell the excess power to the electricity board after the usage in the house? 4. Why no country other than France is not using even 5% of their energy needs through nuclear energy? 5. What are the actual provisions in the current so called 123 deal. 6. What are the other options available?
Anybody? By the way, I don't like to approach this problem through political and religious eyes like our so called leaders do - and I don't like those who approach like that too.
RE:Few questions
by Zhakas Bhidu on Jul 06, 2008 08:00 PM Permalink
Let's take the situation of how India sent the multinationals like Coke and IBM back. This thing helped our local IT and soft drinks industries; Just like that let's focus on renewable energy sources at this juncture, which will position us as leader in the space in 10 years.
RE:Few questions
by Anumakonda JAGADEESH on Jul 06, 2008 10:44 PM Permalink
Your Question 6.You are wrong. There are several countries which use Nuclear Energy more than 25%.Today nearly 440 nuclear reactors produce electricity around the world. More than 15 countries rely on nuclear power for 25% or more of their electricity. In Europe and Japan, the nuclear share of electricity is over 30%. In the U.S., nuclear power creates 20% of electricity. By contrast, 56 operate civil research reactors, and 30 have some 435 commercial nuclear power reactors with a total installed capacity of over 370 000 MWe .This is more than three times the total generating capacity of France or Germany from all sources. France and Lithuania get around three quarters of their power from nuclear energy, while Belgium, Bulgaria, Hungary, Slovakia, South Korea, Sweden, Switzerland, Slovenia and Ukraine get one third or more. Japan, Germany and Finland get more than a quarter of their power from nuclear energy, while the USA gets almost one fifth.As regards major wind energy producers Germany leads with 22,247 MW followed by USA 16,818 MW, Spain 15,145 MW and India 8757 MW.In India Wind farms are set up mainly by Big Industries as a Tax saving measure because of 80% depreciation. As a contrast in Denmark every 5th person is a partner in Wind farms because of "WIND CO-OPERATIVES" there. In Mangolia one lakh fifty thousand small wind battery chargers operate.
Put RENEWABLES to work: To get inexhaustble, pollution-free Energy which cannot be misused.
RE:Few questions
by AK on Jul 06, 2008 07:44 PM Permalink
Solar and Wind power cannot be stored for use when sun is out or there is no wind. After the nuclear accidents in US and USSR some environmentalists became too strong and lot of countries stopped using nuclear energy. Their were no casualties in US but USSR accident had long lasting effects. US was too big into nuclear energy at that time after the oil embargo of 1973. They put moratorium on all new plants. US is again beginning to build more nuclear plants. France never stopped. Energy from water is being considered and being developed but no success so far.
RE:RE:Few questions
by All Right on Jul 06, 2008 07:59 PM Permalink
The deal is public. The 123 Agreement and Hyde Act can be accessed from the internet. So people like you do it read but are so opinionated about the issue that you like to circulate this is public forums
You ask so many questions that indicates that you are conversant with the issue of energy security
RE:Few questions
by AK on Jul 06, 2008 08:08 PM Permalink
Hyde Act is not part of the agreement. Internal Act can make US President to answer why an agreement is signed that is against the principles of the Act but once it is ratified by the US Congress it cannot require India to be bound by this act. This is the main confusion among Indians.
RE:Few questions
by Anumakonda JAGADEESH on Jul 06, 2008 08:15 PM Permalink
Many writers in these column are confused about Nuclear and Renewable Energy. You can’t generate Wind and Solar everywhere in a reliable way. Renewable Energy can only supplement but not replace conventional energy like,coal,petroleum etc., The wind Installations account for 8757 MW at the end of March 2008;Bio power(agro residues and plantations) 606MW;Bagasse cogeneration 800MW;Small Hydropower(Up to 25 MW) 2180 MW;Energy recovery from waste 55.25MW;Solar Photovoltaic power 2.12 MW,Biomass/cogeneration(non bagasse) 95MW;Biomass gasifier 100 MW;Energy recovery from waste 26.7 MW.Nuclear power 4,120 MW (3.1% of total installed base).But wise and more efficient way of demand size management is through energy conservation on a massive scale. According to experts 40%energy can be saved. One watt saved at the point of consumption is more than 1.5 watts generated. It costs about Rs 4 crore to create 1MW of new generation capacity. But the same Rs 4 crore spent on energy conservation methods by and large a one time expenditure can provide 2-3 MWs of avoidable generation capacity and yield results in under two years as against four to five years in setting up a power plant and transmission and distribution system. Scope for energy saving is tremendous in agriculture sector. It accounts for over 120 lakh electric pumps and about 60 lakh diesel pumps mainly for irrigation purpose. It consumes 6,000 crore kwh of electricity.
RE:Few questions
by Sameer on Jul 06, 2008 08:38 PM Permalink
Then how come even now India produces 10,000 MW from wind energy and only 3, 000 MW from nuclear?
RE:RE:Few questions
by Sameer on Jul 06, 2008 08:39 PM Permalink
Then how come even now India produces 10,000 MW from wind energy and only 3, 000 MW from nuclear?
Felt "Betrayed",the CPI(M), CPI, RSP and Forward Bloc will come out with a "chargesheet" citing UPA's several drawbacks and failures, including "rising prices and inflation, surrendering of national interest, and unkept promises with regard to the Common Minimum Programme (CMP)". If what is reported is true, it is most unfortunate as anything at this juncture against the UPA Govt would certainly help the waiting Safron Brigade to take advantage of it.The Communists' are queering the pitch for the BJP to make a cake walk in the next elections. It is advisable for them not to precipitate the matter that will eventually help the communal forces. It is time to unite with all like minded parties against the communal forces which is more dangerous than the imperialism as pronounced by Amar Singh recently. There are failures on the part of the UPA Govt on various fronts including price rise,high inflation etc., but their biggest liability were two Ministers, FM and Oil Ministers. The Communists must join SP in demanding their ouster from the Cabinet or shift to other Ministries. This would send a positive signal to the people that Govt is keen to solve their problems. The Price Band suggested by FM at Jeddah Meet as expected met with failure as OPEC rejected it outrightly. There is an urgent need to address more crucial problems facing the common man today like curb the price rise of all commodities, make petro products cheaper by decalring tax holidays for a limited period etc.
RE:Congress ''Betrayal'' and Communists charge sheet
by Zhakas Bhidu on Jul 06, 2008 07:53 PM Permalink
so called communal force was elected by the people of India, so are we saying the people of India are communal? btw, the communal forces did a better job than the current cong.
RE:Congress ''Betrayal'' and Communists charge sheet
by All Right on Jul 06, 2008 08:00 PM Permalink
Yes. They proved their credentials through a state sponsored genocide
RE:Congress ''Betrayal'' and Communists charge sheet
by Amitabh Akolkar on Jul 06, 2008 11:11 PM Permalink
look who's talking! and muslims never did state sponsored genocide? It's not sponsored by only muslim states but also the religion.
Today communist is talking about betrayal and marriage of convenience!!! wow what great jargos have they used! Indian public witnessed betrayal right from 1947 when India got her independance. Nehru betrayed when he changed his son-in-law's name from Gandi to Gandhi...adding letter"h" in his name thus today many uneducated is still thinking that the present Gandhi family in power is from Mohandas family. Marriage of convenience first took place when Indira Gandi (not Gandhi) first made alliance with regional parties to capture power in Delhi, thus keeping national interest in the back burner! So, Commies knew all these not today but decdes before about Congress. Why did they support Congress and UPA? For commies it was a marriage of convenience and thus betrayed the voters who gave them MP seats! They have no moral right to talk about it now. Congress is the party which taught many political parties the country to misrule and enjoy doing corruption. Now this has multiplied at alarming proportion and the country is going to dogs. So, ex wrestler Mulayam with many thugs under his belt is also taking advantage. Mulayam wants to save his corrupt wealth and now he got a chance, why not enjoy? He has a good internationally renowned tout Amar Singh who is not fit for a clerk job is now talking bout N-Deal. God save India!!!-Bala, Toronto
RE:Betrayal
by Dipak Bose on Jul 07, 2008 09:26 AM Permalink
Feroz was not a Zorastrian, most possibly a Muslim. Gandhi adopted him to give the surname Gandhi. The father of Feroz was not a Gandhi. That is also possibly true about Nehru's grandfather, who was a police officer in Old Delhi, and thus, he was most possibly a Muslim. We were ruled by Muslim family of Nehru and now a Catholic family.
with CPM at loggerheads with S.P. Thakur Amar Singh cannot piggy ride with Harkishen singh Surjeet to Sonia Gandhi's dinners uninvited.Hence he found it convenient to get included in Sonia Gnadhi's invitees' list by dumping CPM and surrendering to Sonia Gandhi. Both congress and leftists are individually incompetent to rule a country like India.Collectively they become a deadly poison for country's future.it is better they fight among themselves and destroy each other
there are pros and cons depending on if you are a supporter or opposer. If this issue is so divided, why Govt is going thru with this at the risk of loosing power. Cong is not that committed to country, we all know that. Then what is it that they are getting out of this? Another Bofors is it?
RE:99% of the people don't know the Ndeal details
by AK on Jul 06, 2008 07:21 PM Permalink
Chance for India to move into nuclear power group that has stuck to its policy of not signing an one sided NPT but still be recognized as a responsible power.
It appears that majority of Indians want nuclear treaty to be signed. With SP supporting the deal, Left feels that they have let an opportunity go. Now dweal goes through and they will not eaven get the credit for being part of the government. UPA takes credit for the deal as well as having guts to do what they beleived in. UNPA & BJP all lose.
