Indore has been traditionally sensitive city in terms of riots in 80s and 90s but in past 15 years the wave of economic growth and globalization kept it busy developing and expanding. Now this kind of insane act by some opportunists for whom violence and bloodshed is the only way left to earn their bread and butter and for state government to recharge communal sentiments keeping an eye on coming election, they're all ready to put break on business capital of Madhya Pradesh. When other states had grown so much in last 20 years, MP is left in the category of Bihar. I wonder who is there in the government and administration ready to bother about its groowth and well being. What these people are achieving by organizing bandh and creating further unfavorable environment in the only developing city of MP? If at all they want to protest about something why not do it in the place where its happening and leave a part Indore and MP. Jai Madhya Pradhesh...
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by Manish Mudotiya on Jul 06, 2008 10:54 AM Permalink
Mr Michael isme koi videshi takat ka haat nahi hai saari desi takat hain jo apne faide k lie logo ko marne dena chahti hai! they simply dnt care abt us! wht they do care abt is cheep politics and their power.
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by birju on Jul 06, 2008 11:03 AM Permalink
videshi taakat toe hai hee........SIMI.....and that too patronised by another videshi,the italian ex-waitress!
On news channel and here, saw statement about Simmi involved. I do not understand why and reason behind it is this bandh was called by BJP and VHP combined in Indore. During bandh BJP workers stoned and very ruddly behaving with people who had kept the shops open and even had did pathraw on Reliance Mall when the trucks were unloading the goods in Reliance's gowdown. The people who were killed are all muslims and all the mishap happened in Muslim dominated areas. Most people died were in police firring. And none of these facts are mentioned above in the article posted. A day back before bandh leaders of VHP and BJP had stated on local news channel Raj TV saying that they know how to operate for bandh and how to make it successful. What does these words mean? Also elections in Madhya Pradesh are due this year.
So think about it, what ever is mentioned can be right? Do not let ourselves and our country get rigged into politics of fear.
RE:Is Himmat Kothari State Home Minister playing politics of fear?
by Devavrata Satya on Jul 06, 2008 08:53 AM Permalink
Do you think that the J&K government was right in withdrawing allotment of land to SASB?
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by s k on Jul 06, 2008 09:07 AM Permalink
what the Jand K govt has done that their there political matter definatly wrong decison but where is the involevment of the muslim at all in these cases specially the muslims outside j&k the main reason behind haterd is killing of the innocent muslims by the police and arrest of innocent muslims with partiality and leaving free bjarang dal gundas and than no justice from the administration only creat haterd and make the muslims to think against bjp bajarang dal is going to be a big problem for the police and bjp who r supporting it unconditionaly what al qaeda is once prospered by usa and become a threat for mankind and usa bajrang dal is going to be the same for bjp and indian police with in few years uncotrollable
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by Devavrata Satya on Jul 06, 2008 09:51 AM Permalink
I agree that the VHP protests should have been confined to J&K.
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by Indigo on Jul 06, 2008 11:42 AM Permalink
where are the Hindus in the Kashmir valley to protest out of 4,00,000 Hindus, 3,50,000 have been driven out by terrorists because of killings, rape murders etc. How will the Hindus protest strongly in J&K?
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by huzefa hakimi on Jul 06, 2008 09:10 AM Permalink
tht was not right thing to do. and I will blame state govt for cancellation of land allotment for two reasons - State Govt should have made thorough state geoprahically and socially whether this will deal does not lead any in harmony to society. - Secondly once announced for deal state govt should not have backed out of it.
but wrong can not be undone by another wrong. and who is getting hurt - our nation and civilians only. does this conditions help any of us, be hindu or muslim. I will say NO, as we are loosing jaan and maal both. Who is gaining out of it - who wants to c indian society divided. that's my thought.
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by indian on Jul 06, 2008 09:26 AM Permalink
THE PROBLEM IS THAT YOU MUSLIMS ALL OVER WORLD TALK OF SECULARISM WHERE U R IN MINORITY, BUT WHEN U R A MAJORITY YOU BECOME TOTALLY INTOLERANT TO OTHER FAITH. SEE PAKISTAN AND BANGLADESH, HOW THEY WIPED OUT ALL HINDUS THERE AFTER PARTITION, WHERE AS IN INDIA U PEOPLE ENJOY ALL THE FREEDOM AND SPECIAL STATUS, STILL MAJORITY OF MUSLIMS THINK MORE LOYALTY TOWARDS PAKISTAN.
YOU NEED TO INTROSPECT ABOUT YOUR COMMUNITY AND RELIGION. VIOLENCE AGAINST MUSLIMS IN INDIA HAS ALWAYS BEEN A REACTION BE IT GODHRA OR MUMBAI RIGHTS.
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by huzefa hakimi on Jul 06, 2008 12:00 PM Permalink
r we talking about India or Pakistan? I think you care more about Pakistan and Bangladesh in that regards. Also moving forward you view Hinduism spread by politicians as your real cause. I know Hinduism and what these goons talks that is not Hinduism. I know about Islam, I know Hinduism also. From my knowledge Islam has not inculcated to use violence over innocent and never advocated violence as first resort. Neither Hinduism advocated violence and the upcoming generation is forgetting the base principles of Hinduism. Think about it and if u do not trust me, ask your elders about it.
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by shaan on Jul 06, 2008 10:08 AM Permalink
You said the wiping story in neighboring countries, do you think people should trust you. Count the violent riots against hindus in pakistan and bangladesh and compare the count with the riots against muslims in India after independence. You will know the answer who is making strategies to wipe out minorities in a planned way.
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by sandeep on Jul 06, 2008 09:30 AM Permalink
indian bhai... you dont seem indian... people in india first want do waqt ki roti... Development is what we want...India is doing well because muslims, hindus, christians, sikhs etc are all together, though there might be minor fights. Brother it is Pakistani's and anti national elements creating fights between us. We must not get carried away by these cheap people. We must understand the hidden agenda of these anti national people. I am a hindu and I feel most muslims are v good and loyal people..
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by Devavrata Satya on Jul 06, 2008 09:54 AM Permalink
I agree - most Muslims are just like most Hindus - nice and virtuous people.
Where does the problem lie then? Read Quran and Hadiths.
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by Indigo on Jul 06, 2008 11:48 AM Permalink
Stop this congressi nonsense philosophy. Development and Roti do not make meaning if you do not have freedom, justice and honour. You will never realize this panin because you are frog living in a well who does not know thr real problems and follishly talk about roti and development. Speak to the Hindus in the valley, the Hindus who have been delibrately converted in Nagaland, Mizoram etc. If you have guts try to hoist an Indian National flag in Srinagar. What do roti and development mean without this. I will take your house, wife and sister and give you bread for 2 times a day will you accept it?
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by Infidel Blogger on Jul 06, 2008 10:33 AM Permalink
You are either a commie traitor or a Salim posing as "Sandeep" and trying to preach tolerance. Ride a camel and enjoy with 72 virgins in 120 degree weather.
RE:Is Himmat Kothari State Home Minister playing politics of fear?
by Infidel Blogger on Jul 06, 2008 10:32 AM Permalink
You are a commie taritor. Preach tolerance riding in a camel in a Saudi desert to wahabi fanatics.
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by Devavrata Satya on Jul 06, 2008 09:51 AM Permalink
I agree with you. Violent protests help no one.
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by sandeep on Jul 06, 2008 10:00 AM Permalink
youa re right satya... problem lies in the fact that we never think deeply.. we think that what political parties say is right.. which is not. Politics is a dirty animal
RE:Is Himmat Kothari State Home Minister playing politics of fear?
by birju on Jul 06, 2008 11:05 AM Permalink
Amarnath land grant and the reality around it.In this age of widespread and fast communication, it is not possible to hide facts. But this is exactly what has happened in the case of the so-called transfer of 40 acres of forest land to the Amarnath Shrine Board for providing facilities to pilgrims.
Hurriyat leader Syed Ali Gilani, PDP leader Mufti Mohammed Sayeed and others saw a great opportunity to further the cause of Islamisation in J&K.
Land was to be transferred for two months in a year when Amarnath pilgrims visited and no permanent structure was to be constructed, for Article 370 forbids the same. Both these facts were gagged.
On the contrary a high voltage propaganda was unleashed to convey that the Central Government wanted to change the outlook of the place and had planned a permanent structure. The propaganda was multiplied by withdrawal of PDP from the coalition Government. It was this fact, which caused turmoil in the valley. Large demonstrations followed. Para-military forces were targeted. Ghulam Nabi Azad, did the easiest thing; cancel the transfer order. The continuing Yatra was terminated. But for how long?
Then there was counter reaction in Jammu and throughout India. The area was so tense that it was placed under curfew for days. On Thursday there was an All India bandh call. Till now I have not heard or read about a single Muslim gentleman condemning it.
The NGOs and human rights activists, who have been in the forefront for defending ter
RE:Is Himmat Kothari State Home Minister playing politics of fear?
by huzefa hakimi on Jul 06, 2008 12:11 PM Permalink
well what Mufti and Abdul Gani is saying is part of Islamic principles than you are strengthening their hands even restating spreading there message that wht Gani and Mufti is doing is Islamic.
What happened with Amarnath land allotment, it is not good but if in India we also resort to save tactics, how is it helping India?
If bandh was for purely Hindu cause, they why in Gujrat Bandh was not executed? Modi refused to call for Bandh. The reason I c is Modi sees that bandh is not solution and Modi does not bandh's cheap politics to showcase his popularity. Most of the guys quote Modi as true Hindu force, so up here also why not follow his virtues. c no one else except ourselves are getting harmed by this. Those you call for bandh are doing so for their personal benefit and we all know all the politicals of today are filled with Gundas and Badmashs. So why to support such people as today or tomorrow our actions will reflect on us.
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by birju on Jul 06, 2008 11:06 AM Permalink
defending terrorists, are nowhere to be seen at this moment of Hindu grief. Those activists who gave full-throated support to save Afzal Guru, the main conspirator of the Parliament attack have become deaf and dumb. Perhaps, removal of Article 370 and introduction of Common Civil Code to all citizens has become the surest litmus test to judge if a matter is communal or not.
Lest people have forgotten, this is the same Mufti Mohd Sayeed who was India's Home Minister in VP Singh's Government when on of his daughters was kidnapped by terrorists. The Central Government approached them to release her in exchange of their group members. In the eyes of secular parties, Sayeed's sterling secularism is not in doubt because he propagates joint control of J&K by India and Pakistan. He also pleads for currencies of both countries to be valid in the valley. If such secularism is there, naturally demand for removal of Article 370 and application of Common Civil Code would naturally tantamount to communalism incarnate.
As far as Article 370 is concerned, before it Article 306 was passed unanimously by the Constituent Assembly in the presence of Sheikh Abdullah, Bakshi Ghulam Mohammed and others. People thought that the matter was over but it was not to be. Sheikh Abdullah gave an interview to some foreign correspondent hinting at independent Kashmir. Later, when Sardar Patel drew his attention to this statement Abdullah said he was mis-interpreted by the media. But it's no secret that
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by birju on Jul 06, 2008 11:07 AM Permalink
that he dreamt of an independent Kashmir.
However, Nehru trusted him and started quit Kashmir movement against Maharaja Hari Singh that resulted in his imprisonment. Nehru was so perturbed that he proceeded for Kashmir despite advice of not to go to there, even from the Viceroy. Nehru went to Srinagar. He was arrested and sent back to Delhi. By that time Pakistani rangers invaded Kashmir. Up to Baramula, quite a large part of Kashmir was captured by them. At that time the Maharaja signed a letter of accession to India. Then, the Indian Military was sent to Kashmir to fight Pakistani rangers. Before the operation concluded Nehru stopped the Indian military. The result is that one-third of Kashmir is occupied by Pakistan.
It is a well-known fact that there were 563 princely states when India got freedom in 1947. Sardar Patel by his tactful handling annexed each barring J&K. This state was being handled by Nehru who wrote to Patel that as ministries of Foreign Affairs, Defence and others are involved, he would coordinate the matter himself. Nehru in order to satisfy the whims of Sheikh Abdulla secretly negotiated with him and passed a draft of Article 306A, which later became Article 370 that resulted in two Constitutions, two flags and two Prime Ministers. Apart from that a provision was made by which no Indian could buy any land in J&K, but the State's people could do so throughout the country.
In the altered draft, the writ of Supreme Court did not run there. Nehru
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by sandeep on Jul 06, 2008 09:22 AM Permalink
Agree to your point hakimi.. Becuas eof political gains..our political parties can do anything.. It's shame that poor people have to bear the pain..and suffering.. But friend this will continue till people...become smart enough to understand things and not get carried away by political parties words...which seems not to be happening in the near future... Hope our generation leaves a good amrk for the enxt generation to come..
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by huzefa hakimi on Jul 06, 2008 11:56 AM Permalink
Yes, hope so. People should look with the vision of development and not through speeches of politicians and media too. That's where education comes into play and just not getting degree but start thinking and unbiased analysis of the problem we have in our surroundings.
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by Guest on Jul 06, 2008 08:49 AM Permalink
Dismiss state Government it is run by only VHP & RSS. Bandh was called by VHP & now government blamming to SIMI. 4 persons killed on thursday by police firing & 2 people on friday, all are innocents poor persons returning from factory. why only muslims killed in 3 days drama planned by BJP??? do any body have answer only police deployed in muslims areas?only muslim died in clash ? why government gives permission for rath yatra on friday in between curfew?
RE:Is Himmat Kothari State Home Minister playing politics of fear?
by Indigo on Jul 06, 2008 11:39 AM Permalink
1 lakh muslims in Kashmir valley took to streets to protest against the land allotment. No one was attrested or ploice did not take any action. however in Jammu in Hindu area 7 Hindus were killed in pilce firing and 75 injured. It is a shame that in a Hindu majority country, Hindus need 20,000 troops millitary protection for Amarnath darshan. People in Kashmir say that the cooperate with Hindu pilgrims but the fact is you get 1 bucket of hot water for bathing at Rs. 60 in Kashmir whereas all the Haj pilgrims are given money and subsidy by the government.
EVERY KASHMIRI MUSLIM SHOULD KNOW ONE THING CLEARLY THAT EVERY HINDU HAS FULL RIGHT TO GO TO AMARNATH AND NO BODY SHOULD CREATE TROUBLE FOR HINDUS GETTING LAND FOR AMARNATH. HINDUS NEVER CREATE TOUBLE WHEN MUSLIMS GET SUBSIDY FOR GOING TO HAJ.
RE:KASHMIRI MUSLIMS ARE FANATIC AS WELL
by kabir on Jul 06, 2008 09:47 AM Permalink
i think u never visit kashmir or amarnath. If u visit u will find kashmiri's are the most hostile and helpful people in he world. they never hurt any of the yatri. even they are house for accomodation. every year lacks of yatris visit amarnath and non of them come in truble by kashmiris. if dnt belive then visit once.
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by sandeep on Jul 06, 2008 09:50 AM Permalink
I agree what your telling is true kabir... We respect kashmiri people for that.. I guess they also have pressure from pakistani terrorists..and our Indian govt does nothing to help bail out kashmir from problems....
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by Indigo on Jul 06, 2008 11:52 AM Permalink
what nonsense are you talking kabir. My parents visited Maranath last year. They paid Rs. 60 for a bucket of hot water and Rs. 25 for single daal roti. Pilgrims in Haj get subsidy on everything. How do you comapre?
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by s k on Jul 06, 2008 09:12 AM Permalink
agreed being a muslim i also agree that haj subsidy should also be stopped as muslim should perfom haj only with their money as islam never believe in the tradition which creat haterd among the people but where is the involvment of muslims of other parts of the country in this type of issues and do think that the partiality done by the administration amd media is right.
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by sandeep on Jul 06, 2008 09:25 AM Permalink
Protector I understand what happened is wrong.. But I feel Indian muslim people are our brothers.. and all muslims are dont think the same. Infact many muslim provided support for people going for amarnath yatra. I am sure msot muslims are very much loyal to India
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by bnsl on Jul 06, 2008 09:50 AM Permalink
No one can be loyal to Islam and India at the same time because kuran and the Indian constitution embody opposite values. This is why a true muslim cannot be a patriotic Indian. It is the religious duty of a true musilm to sabotage an infidel nation from within.
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by sandeep on Jul 06, 2008 09:56 AM Permalink
hey bsnl dont generalize things.. all people are not same.. we get carried away by these political parties.. I say why kill innocent muslims instead kill terrorists if you can...
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by Infidel Blogger on Jul 06, 2008 10:36 AM Permalink
Shut up SALIM aka Sandeep. Try to tame your fanatics in dawn or paktribune message boards.
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by Devavrata Satya on Jul 06, 2008 08:59 AM Permalink
This is the real problem with our people - no criticism of religion is to be done, because religion is above criticism. Why? Nothing is above criticism. But to criticise, you have to first understand. And to understand, you have to read the source material. How many "sacred books" have you read? Only a proper understanding of religion can reveal to us why certain people and communities behave the way they do. You can keep criticising people till kingdom come, and the same pattern of events will keep on repeating. Understand the source of the behaviour, and then make those who behave so understand it. That will be a permanent cure.
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by kabir on Jul 06, 2008 01:03 PM Permalink
islam is more civilized and planfull religion.how can u say that it is terrorits.no religion like terrorism then wy u blam on muslim u need breif study on islam and develop the most sencior religon.
I personally do not have any problem with anybody in this world but i see a strange habit of paki ppl.
Your funny posts especially on rediff are now like jokes to us, i have been observing from last few months that more and more paki make posts in Indian forums, USUALLY FRUSTRATED PEOPLE.
You know dear i feel pity on you, you even cant say PROUDLY that you are pakistani.
Have you ever checked in world that you will RARELY find a pakistani running hotel and saying that it is "pakistani" WHEREAS we "INDIANS" proudly say "this is our INDIAN hotel/restaurant".
Why you people do not say proudly in rediff or other forum or elsewhere in world that you are "pakistani" WHY???
RE:Karma
by kumar on Jul 06, 2008 05:18 AM Permalink
Of course, seeing my eyes, i am sri lankan. Even if my government is killing my people for no reason (i am not saying ltte here), its better to be sri lankan than indian. 62% of our children dont go hungry every night.
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by kumar on Jul 06, 2008 05:46 AM Permalink
if after 3000 years you only have 38% of your children eating, thats not progress. Thats called international donation.
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by Devavrata Satya on Jul 06, 2008 09:26 AM Permalink
Please give your source for the 62%. Please also give the number of hungry children in Srilanka and Pakistan.
RE:Karma
by iluvtaj on Jul 06, 2008 05:39 AM Permalink
dear yes it is unfortunate if 62% (I believe you)of our children are hungry. We still have poor ppl, still have problems but check history as well as present which place is problem free?
Please read about our progress too, our principles which we still follow which are still same from THOUSAND of years.
TILL there are PEOPLE LIKE ME OUR MOTHERLAND WILL PROGRESS and I PROMISE YOU THAT WE WILL MAKE IT LIKE HEAVEN. you have to wait and see.
I personally do not have any problem with anybody in this world but i see a strange habit of paki ppl.
Your funny posts especially on rediff are now like jokes to us, i have been observing from last few months that more and more paki make posts in Indian forums, USUALLY FRUSTRATED PEOPLE.
You know dear i feel pity on you, you even cant say PROUDLY that you are pakistani.
Have you ever checked in world that you will RARELY find a pakistani running hotel and saying that it is "pakistani" WHEREAS we "INDIANS" proudly say "this is our INDIAN hotel/restaurant".
Why you people do not say proudly in rediff or other forum or elsewhere in world that you are "pakistani" WHY???
RE:for my paki friends who post messages on fake names
by kumar on Jul 06, 2008 04:37 AM Permalink
you obviously havent been to the US or UK. Remember in UK, all south asians are called pakis.
RE:for my paki friends who post messages on fake names
by iluvtaj on Jul 06, 2008 04:45 AM Permalink
dear i travelled more than you can imagine. I know better than you do. My point is " I can proudly say anywhere I am INDIAN" in any country and and in any forum.
Then why pakis hesitate in saying so?
They post messages but are always afraid of telling their country name?
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by kumar on Jul 06, 2008 04:50 AM Permalink
i dont see people saying what nationality they are in every message in every board here on rediff. does this mean, that all those people are not proud to be Indian. Normal people don't go around saying what nationality they are. They express their opinion.
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by iluvtaj on Jul 06, 2008 04:56 AM Permalink
correct! but when they are told asked or guessed that they are paki. THEY IGNORE and run away dear.
Evrybody is not like INDIANS or have honour like u
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by kumar on Jul 06, 2008 05:19 AM Permalink
indians also ignore and run away in Sri lankan forums. So Lots of indians dont have honour like us. i think its better to run away in forums than help a government commit human rights violations. Now that is no honour.
RE:for my paki friends who post messages on fake names
by iluvtaj on Jul 06, 2008 05:29 AM Permalink
i have to come back for u.
Is it joke of the day u r posting??
regarding the issues u mentioned lot can be discussed but the problem is that you need to study a lot that too unbiased and that may be difficult for u AND ALSO normally we personally ME dont like discussing our personal matters with persons who are not from my family(which is whole of INDIA)
RE:for my paki friends who post messages on fake names
by iluvtaj on Jul 06, 2008 05:59 AM Permalink
r u sure u had good education?? I am asking of YOU ONLY not of your country?
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by Devavrata Satya on Jul 06, 2008 09:18 AM Permalink
Should we examine Pakistan's human rights record?
Or let us do this - let us try to see why the population percentage of Hindus in Pakistan has decreased from 15% at the time of partition to less than 2% today, whereas percentage population of Muslims in India has, even according to conservative government estimates, has remained unchanged since partition?
RE:for my paki friends who post messages on fake names
by iluvtaj on Jul 06, 2008 05:44 AM Permalink
good, so this shows ur standard of education and level of thinking also, GOOD!!
RE:for my paki friends who post messages on fake names
by kumar on Jul 06, 2008 05:45 AM Permalink
oh dont worry, i will explain to you. Mugabe is the president in Zimbabwe and he does human rights violations. Hitler was the leader in Germany and he does human rights violations during world war II. Thanks for looking up at my education. Its not your fault that you were born in a country where 62% of children go to bed hungry. I guess you didn't have enough money for educaiton.
