Commis ki phat gayee. Earlier their stand was the moment PM will proceed for G-8, we will move to President House with the letter of withdrawl of support. Since, SP has slipped in commies boots, chinese agents are finding it difficult to believe that they will be defeated by their most trusted friend, Mulayam singh.
RE:'It is not lack of guts, but we are being reasonable'
by satyarthi on Jul 04, 2008 04:00 PM Permalink
Disciples defeated gurus in their communal game. Playing Kalam card, SP stumped communal CPM.
In this whole game of politics, the rationale behind the nuclear deal has been sidelined. Manmohan Singh, inspite of his good reputation, has not been truthful to the nation on this issue. He has neither convinced nuclear scientists, nor defence experts, nor even the common man. The nuclear energy cry given recently is, put simply, rubbish. I do not support our Reds, but I definitely do not support India being dictated terms by the US, which has the least concern for the truth or relationships.
RE:The picture is foggier than ever
by Kannan on Jul 04, 2008 04:15 PM Permalink
The problem is we always beat around the bush and go on a tangent and in the process lose the main thrust. With NPT and the avowed disarmament policy if a condition is put that in the event of your testing a weapon supplies would be stopped, what is wrong in it? Where are you going to get the supplies but for the deal? Why one should take a hypothetical stand that it puts a stop to your weaponisation programme? You are supposed to have standardised your weapons and no more testing is required. You need to steeply increase your energy production with your energy requirements increasing by leaps and bounds with your growth. Your nuclears plants are starved of fuel. In the circumstances where is the threat to your sovereignity or that US is dictating terms. In the given circumstances, any country would stipulate the same condition. It only reminds me of a saying that aunt would become chacha if she develops a mustache. God Help Us.!!!
The Left party always wants to stay in the News. They do not have the back bone to stand alone in the elections and will ride on somebody's back, then they will start scratching their back
- Lots of Forum participants tend to mix up and talk extreme things either for or against the nuclear deal.
We must clearly understand that 123 agreement is for civilian use of nuclear technologies and resources.
And USA simply wants India to ratify that.
This is the reason we are clearly separating the reactor for Civilian uses and military uses for the International audience.
Our civilian reactors would be for International scrutiny. But not the reactors for military use.
We have to have clear "audit process" for the resources bought under 123 agreement.
We do not have such obligation for our reactors for military use and resources obtained from outside the 123 agreement.
The agreement text has been vetted by even BJP politicians and have praised in private.
The communists do not have any objections and all their 9 points have been addressed adequately by Indian negotiators.
But the actual story is different.
BJP needs to oppose. Because this has been secured for India by Sonia Gandhi and her team.
The communists need to oppose. Because they still can not do business with Amerians, even though China is a great beneficiary of American Wealth in today's time.
Who cares for the nation ?
The party is bigger than the Nation.
And some lunatics having great time and having a party seeing the Government of the day is not able to honour its International treaty.
RE:RE:Let's not mix up for the National interest
by Gopal Mirikar on Jul 04, 2008 03:54 PM Permalink
let somnath chatterji resign if left decide to not to support govt.
RE:Let's not mix up for the National interest
by Rohit Bhatia on Jul 04, 2008 03:57 PM Permalink
Prabhat, I just thought about what you wrote.. but get your facts right. BJP was the initiator of this deal, and it praised the deal in private when the benefits for India were laid out, and it did appreciate the negotiators (as per my knowledge). The only opposition that the BJP is raising is that there should be no restriction on India from performing militiary nuclear tests as a part of the treaty. This is undeniably a justified demand. No civil nuclear technology/material is worth our power of a nuclear deterrent.
If the P.M. comes in public and clarify that no such restriction shall be imposed on India, then it should settle the matter once and for all; no matter what the communists feel, the deal will be welcomed in the Parliament.
RE:Let's not mix up for the National interest
by prabhat mohanty on Jul 04, 2008 04:09 PM Permalink
- It's has been said again and again by American and Indian negotiators, that the "right to test lies with India".
You see, you are presuming India to be very backward country as far science is concerned.
India is not.
In recent years, developed countries have not nuclear devices that does not mean they are not perfecting the nuclear devices or they have stopped working on nuclear weapons.
The future of nuclear test is in lab.
Who knows India is already in that league and India may just want a public ban on the nuclear test.
Ban on nuclear test will affect less scientifically advanced countries or countries with less resources.
With God's grace now India has both.
Who cares about tests ?
Israel does not. Neither Pakisthan nor India did.
Infact moving away from underground tests ( anyway it will be opposed by people and environmentalists in times to come ) gives India strategic advantages.
We are good in Super Computers, Parallel processing , visualisation, simulations...
India fares well when restrictions are applied.
We got our Super computers exactly in that manner and for a peanuts.
RE:Let's not mix up for the National interest
by Bajrangi on Jul 04, 2008 04:24 PM Permalink
what if all the investment done goes to waste if the supplies are stopped due to tests -mister mohanty
RE:RE:Let's not mix up for the National interest
by Bajrangi on Jul 04, 2008 04:25 PM Permalink
Bhaina..dont fool the Indian mass like congress..as discussed above..let the PM come clean..dont beat about the BUSH
RE:Let's not mix up for the National interest
by prabhat mohanty on Jul 04, 2008 05:09 PM Permalink
- The country decides what is more important.
Nuclear test or Power.
The risk is always there. When we decide to test, we take all these risks into account.
In western world, business houses are known to have powerfull lobbies. China makes all mistakes, but USA ignores; because USA can't stop dealing with China.
We too need to progress and get economically strong.
RE:Let's not mix up for the National interest
by gaurang pandya on Jul 04, 2008 03:56 PM Permalink
Mr. Prabhat
I am sure more then 80 % indian people who are aware of word N-Deal. Dont know anything about N-Deal. Even myself , I dont consider as knowledge person for the same. I want guideline for the same. If you have any artical for the same pls forward link for the same here. It wud be great for ppl to understand before saying anything about N-Deal.
RE:REDs claim they are reasonable, after PM decided to call their bluff
by satyarthi on Jul 04, 2008 03:54 PM Permalink
Left or no Left, UPA is safe: Paswan
Congress already cleared their stand in N-Deal and Everybody knows that Congress party is going to proceed N-Deel. Still the Left Party is asking confirmation.
RE:Where the Left is living?
by Shyam on Jul 04, 2008 04:11 PM Permalink
They are playing Kaun Banega Crorepathi and seeking final confirmation before closing out.
they are all same jokers..... congress keep changing oing ahead going ahead and then does not go ahead. Left should leave country...go to china or pakistan hehehe
RE:jokers=politicians
by rahul neginhal on Jul 04, 2008 03:45 PM Permalink
Chinese & Pakistani's are not tolerant like we Indian's, they are gonna shoot these rabid dogs the moment Karat & his gang of fools enter their country.
