For once i have to say well done amar singh and mulayam. Go ahead PM sir. The left have phobia of anything american and all chinese is good to them. Its time UPA and the indian people give them abefitting reply. WHere r u guys in Kerala and W Bengal?? r u hearing us.
that it will not honour this deal if it comes to power the next time since this deal is inked by a PM who not elected and also because this deal does not have people's mandate. Time to take it head-on.
RE:BJP should make it clear
by popat laal on Jul 04, 2008 02:42 PM Permalink
that will be political suicide... better to operationalise it in a right manner once bjp comes to power..
RE:BJP should make it clear
by DAWA JACOB on Jul 04, 2008 03:08 PM Permalink
BJP mite be willing..but the New US govt wont be willing...you can say...this the only time...
- Lots of Forum participants tend to mix up and talk extreme things either for or against the nuclear deal.
We must clearly understand that 123 agreement is for civilian use of nuclear technologies and resources.
And USA simply wants India to ratify that.
This is the reason we are clearly separating the reactor for Civilian uses and military uses for the International audience.
Our civilian reactors would be for International scrutiny. But not the reactors for military use.
We have to have clear "audit process" for the resources bought under 123 agreement.
We do not have such obligation for our reactors for military use and resources obtained from outside the 123 agreement.
The agreement text has been vetted by even BJP politicians and have praised in private.
The communists do not have any objections and all their 9 points have been addressed adequately by Indian negotiators.
But the actual story is different.
BJP needs to oppose. Because this has been secured for India by Sonia Gandhi and her team.
The communists need to oppose. Because they still can not do business with Amerians, even though China is a great beneficiary of American Wealth in today's time.
Who cares for the nation ?
The party is bigger than the Nation.
And some lunatics having great time and having a party seeing the Government of the day is not able to honour its International treaty.
RE:Lets not mix up for the Nattional interest !
by Sathish N on Jul 04, 2008 02:33 PM Permalink
BJP is opposing not because Sonia is interested in the deal. BJP is opposing because it is not in our nation's interest. Sonia should not be making this decision, that is another issue too.
RE:Lets not mix up for the Nattional interest !
by DAWA JACOB on Jul 04, 2008 03:10 PM Permalink
i some time fail to understand y BJP is so scared of Sonia...the only agenda they have is target Sonia...which they always fail.
RE:why BJP opposed N-deal?
by popat laal on Jul 04, 2008 02:37 PM Permalink
there is no third front or UNDA or anything like that today.. all gone down the drain.. even karat and bardhan aare at each other's throat since last two days..
By stating that now they have all the details they believe the n.deal is in the interest nation politician like Mulayam Singh DO ADMIT that their earlier held opinin was uninformed and their objection (to the deal) baseless. In this they display their own immaturity and intellectual illiteracy. Why couldn't they get opinion before from learned sources like Prof Kalam as they have done now rather than just relying on what the Left has to tell them. We get the politicians we deserve. 10 months wasted and this would be critical in getting the deal through. And what is wrong in 'trucking' with the USA? They are the strongest nation in the world and can help in offsetting the growing threat of China whose menace is increasing by the day.
RE:Mulayam favors nuclear deal.
by Gopal Mirikar on Jul 04, 2008 03:42 PM Permalink
mulayam is wise politician in wrong compulsions.it is heartening also that wise cousel prevailed. j p and communists also want to support but certain political calculations prevent them.after all plitics is all about aquisition of power.dont blame them. present pm also opposed when others tried to do it.both of them are not illiterate.
RE:Mulayam favors nuclear deal.
by nalin tiwari on Jul 04, 2008 02:51 PM Permalink
as if kalam wud explain and mulayam wud undestand...Nuclear deal is not about milking buffaloes, one can hardly expect yadav and gang to understand a single word of it.
The only thing which might have changed their opinion is that now since mayawati has walked out of UPA bcoz of rahul baba gandhi attacking her dalit votebase in UP, Mulayam is cozying up with centre to get off the CBI hook and pressurise PM to open cases against maya in taj -corridor etc.
Behenji tried to throw spanner by calling deal as anti-muslim...but mulayam made a smarter move by going to kalaam, ex-prez, scientist and above all a MUSLIM so tht he may yell out 'look muslim guy is supporting it, how can it be anti-muslim' and keep his M-for-Mulayam vote bank secure..
Some intelligent leaders we have...who needs standup comedy on TV
It is better to get the opinion from Our APJ Kalam and media may organise to telecast his speech on this subject. People may get clear idea about the issue,
RE:N-Deal
by Periapatty Subramaniam on Jul 04, 2008 02:33 PM Permalink
Wonderful idea. Hats off to Dr.Kalam for his clear and unqualified support for the nuclear deal. AT LAST THE TRUE COLOURS OF THE LEFT WHO VETOED THE PROPOSAL FOR 2 FULL YEARS ARE KNOWN TO THE PUBLIC... LET ALL THE LEFT LEADERS GO TO CHINA AND SETTLE THERE FOREVER SO THAT OUR COUNTRY SHALL PROSPER WITHOUT ANY STRIKES AND BANDHS
RE:N-Deal
by prashant sharma on Jul 04, 2008 02:31 PM Permalink
when it came to nominate Mr Kalam as the president of india for the second term the same SP appossed now they are taking excuse that kalam has supported so we are... what rubbish
RE:N-Deal
by madhusoodana rao on Jul 04, 2008 02:33 PM Permalink
yes i agree with you.the pros and cons of the deal should be made public and the best person to do so will be APJ Kalam
RE:N-Deal
by Yusarian on Jul 04, 2008 02:34 PM Permalink
good idea. NDTV or someone must televise Kalam's opinion. The left seems to be taking everyone for a ride
RE:N-Deal
by Abbas Rescued on Jul 04, 2008 02:32 PM Permalink
he talks like a kid on stage maan... he sucks big time... am sure he will ask all of us to repeat 'nuclear deal is good for the country'... ha ha... Country is not kindergarten maan... And am sure Pranoy or burkha or those primetime jokers on CNN IBN / Times Now would add emotional masala to the whole episode depending on which channel he appears.. Grow up guys... Lets mature as a nation...
What did Kalam invent to call him a scientist? He 'worked' as a scientist in an Indian Govt Org and he was not a scientist...
RE:N-Deal
by nitin sachdeva on Jul 04, 2008 02:43 PM Permalink
Buddy....sorry to say but........u r SH*T. A man like EX-PRESIDENT APJ KALAM doesnt need a certificate frm the people like u.. Same as the person like MAHATMA GANDHI doesnt need any certificate...
RE:RE:N-Deal
by Abbas Rescued on Jul 04, 2008 02:56 PM Permalink
And now you are comparing apples and oranges... I never spoke about MG in that message...
RE:RE:N-Deal
by Periapatty Subramaniam on Jul 04, 2008 02:35 PM Permalink
Are you mad ? If you do not know the credentials of Dr.Kalam, SHUT UP YOUR MOUTH
RE:N-Deal
by Abbas Rescued on Jul 04, 2008 02:55 PM Permalink
And if I could be blessed, why dont you please share thsoe details with me? I would get liberated of my sins as well...
Wonderful... roping in Mr. APJ Abdul Kalam was a wise move on part of Mulayam and Amar Singh. One can trust Kalam's counsel who has not held a grudge against the Congress party for not considering him for a second term. He has gone by 'what's best for the country'. Wish we had at least 300 such people as Kalam in the Lok Sabha.
RE:Good show, Mulayam Singh!
by guruprasad hegde on Jul 04, 2008 02:37 PM Permalink
yaa it is nice thing thy done..... when others r telling it is against muslim....... one thing u have to remember behind this deal r u not finding the hand of corporate india?????........ i.e Mr Anil ambani........ b/c he wil get lot from dis....... i.e for his R-power.... he quoted in economic times when india got green signal from USA..dat our company seeing as boost...
I am in a big setback after knowing that BJP is not supporting N-Deal. Is BJP is doing this only because of opposition party. Now i feel guilt to support BJP blindly from last 20 years.
RE:Shiv Sena is supporting Nuclear Deal then why BJP not supporting N-Deal.
by Vijay on Jul 04, 2008 02:31 PM Permalink
Amit, I appreciate your stand. Most of us are not willing to accept a wrong we may have done. I too was inclined to BJP for a part in my life. However, just like you, I too sensed one day that all they cared was to attain power. I am not saying Congress in good.. they are equally bad but sadly, BJP is no saint party. Making people fight in the name of religion is most unfortunate. I traveled to some parts with an NGO in 2007 and met the women and kids who had been orphaned during some of the violence these people had initiated. When you see the situation of those families that have lost their sole-bread earner, your heart weeps for them. May nobody on Earth ever see that day. Just because that lady was from a different religion, does not mean that she has to now beg to feed her family.
RE:RE:Shiv Sena is supporting Nuclear Deal then why BJP not supporting N-Deal.
by Abbas Rescued on Jul 04, 2008 02:42 PM Permalink
Which NGOs were they? ORganized by foreign and Indian intellectual media? Riots did hurt that community... However it was required or else there was no way to control their mob culture... Bitter medicine... But need of the hour... Thats why Gujarat is so peaceful for the past decade or so... No one should take us for granted... They should know they would get back in the same coin.. The country has suffered enough from the day Muslim League was started pre-independence...
RE:Shiv Sena is supporting Nuclear Deal then why BJP not supporting N-Deal.
by popat laal on Jul 04, 2008 02:30 PM Permalink
i think we should give the benefit of doubt to bjp.. they are in the same boat as the communists because of public stance against the deal.. but then they are the best party to give us a stable government and operationalise the deal in an effective manner. they are better of a bad lot of politicians..
RE:Shiv Sena is supporting Nuclear Deal then why BJP not supporting N-Deal.
by Guest on Jul 04, 2008 02:42 PM Permalink
BJP is not supporting Nuclear Deal for 2 reasons: 1) It is not clear whether the deal permits us to conduct nuclear tests or not. 2) US did not grant VISA to Narendra Modi.
RE:RE:Shiv Sena is supporting Nuclear Deal then why BJP not supporting N-Deal.
by prashant sharma on Jul 04, 2008 02:33 PM Permalink
c'mon... u have not supported BJP even for 20 minutes... leave aside 20yrs.... u pseudo secular
RE:Shiv Sena is supporting Nuclear Deal then why BJP not supporting N-Deal.
by Abbas Rescued on Jul 04, 2008 02:38 PM Permalink
BJP is not against the deal.. They only want an amendment so that our choice of doing nuclear tests for our security is not absolutely prevented... I guess they have a point... However I also feel they are not being clear on their stand... Basically offering a clear explanation so that the US does not suspect our allegiance in case BJP returns to power in the next elections...
If Mulayam is to be believed, congress governemnt did not share all information regarding N-deal with members of parliament belonging to opposition. Yet they want to ink this deal and asked for support from the opposition.
If only they had taken the main opposition party into confidence, the present scenario could have avoided.
REDs enjoyed undeserved veto for last four years. Now after another muslim dependent party decided to back the Government over the deal, Left has been trapped in its own 'make believe castle'. The decision to withdraw support is being delayed on daily basis. Poor REDs.
RE:End of veto power : Poor REDs
by popat laal on Jul 04, 2008 02:31 PM Permalink
and i am happy.. because the communists never learned from the adage "keep your words sweet.. you never know when you will have to eat them".. LOL
RE:End of veto power : Poor REDs
by SDR Ranganathan on Jul 04, 2008 02:41 PM Permalink
Thank God the reds are shown their place and that is good for the country. We should have not 300 but 524 Abdul Kalams in parliament and all the jokers can stay out. But how much can we trust Mulaym Singh??
