"We, all the Left parties, will also hold a joint meeting on July 4 and take a unified decision that as soon as the government goes ahead with the deal we will withdraw support to the government."
Then all commies like us will go to China, to see if we can do something from there
RE:RE:Then all Commies go to China
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 06:01 PM Permalink
Why not GoI give them a one-way ticket. Let me before the Olympics so they can watch it too
RE:Sonia has raised the pitch on nuclear deal issue to distract people's attention from the alarming inflationary situation.
by Jitendra Kumar on Jul 01, 2008 05:52 PM Permalink
RAM Naam Satya Hai
RE:RE:Sonia has raised the pitch on nuclear deal issue to distract people's attention from the alarming inflationary situation.
by Ram Sharma on Jul 01, 2008 06:07 PM Permalink
Bilkul. Par admi ko yeh dhyan me nahi rahata. Ego me bhara rahata hai.
RE:Sonia has raised the pitch on nuclear deal issue to distract people's attention from the alarming inflationary situation.
by numb nut on Jul 01, 2008 05:52 PM Permalink
go and die in China or Pakistan. What are you doing in India
RE:Sonia has raised the pitch on nuclear deal issue to distract people's attention from the alarming inflationary situation.
by Ram Sharma on Jul 01, 2008 06:04 PM Permalink
Do u think that u r the Indian ruler and will throw me out? It is democracy and not dictatorship. U probably r follower of fascist Hitler. U want everyone to do whatever u think is right.
RE:Sonia has raised the pitch on nuclear deal issue to distract people's attention from the alarming inflationary situation.
by numb nut on Jul 01, 2008 06:10 PM Permalink
India is not democracy. We need dictators and if I was one, I would have exterminated one. India can become a democracy once it is developed with real literate and educated masses. Now it is a joke.
RE:RE:Sonia has raised the pitch on nuclear deal issue to distract people's attention from the alarming inflationary situation.
by Ram Sharma on Jul 01, 2008 06:23 PM Permalink
Communism is also dictatorship of the proleteriat.
Pakistan had many dictators. Zimbabwe has a dictator. Idi Amin was dictator of Kenya. What did all these people do?
RE:RE:Sonia has raised the pitch on nuclear deal issue to distract people's attention from the alarming inflationary situation.
by numb nut on Jul 01, 2008 06:11 PM Permalink
exterminated you
RE:RE:RE:Sonia has raised the pitch on nuclear deal issue to distract people's attention from the alarming inflationary situation.
by Ram Sharma on Jul 01, 2008 06:19 PM Permalink
U r talking just like Hitler and u r giving lecture to others. It is not yr fault. This shows yr upbringing.
RE:Sonia has raised the pitch on nuclear deal issue to distract people's attention from the alarming inflationary situation.
by Ram Sharma on Jul 01, 2008 06:29 PM Permalink
BTW, Why r u concerned where I shall die? Where do u want to die? For me whole world is same.
RE:Sonia has raised the pitch on nuclear deal issue to distract people's attention from the alarming inflationary situation.
by numb nut on Jul 01, 2008 05:53 PM Permalink
Ram Sharma alter-ego of commie dog Sahadevan KK.
RE:RE:Sonia has raised the pitch on nuclear deal issue to distract people's attention from the alarming inflationary situation.
by Ram Sharma on Jul 01, 2008 06:06 PM Permalink
U r a big fool, big zero and arrogant also. I hv critisized Sahadevan many times due to their appeasement of communal Muslims. Even Sahadevan has right to follow, what he thinks is right.
RE:RE:RE:Sonia has raised the pitch on nuclear deal issue to distract people's attention from the alarming inflationary situation.
by numb nut on Jul 01, 2008 06:11 PM Permalink
no commies should be allowed to live in India
RE:RE:RE:RE:Sonia has raised the pitch on nuclear deal issue to distract people's attention from the alarming inflationary situation.
by Ram Sharma on Jul 01, 2008 06:20 PM Permalink
This is exactly what Hitler had said. U r talking just like Hitler and u r giving lecture to others. It is not yr fault. This shows yr upbringing.
RE:Sonia has raised the pitch on nuclear deal issue to distract people's attention from the alarming inflationary situation.
by sakshi on Jul 01, 2008 06:07 PM Permalink
We do not have anything to do with these nuts and bolts
RE:Sonia has raised the pitch on nuclear deal issue to distract people's attention from the alarming inflationary situation.
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 05:50 PM Permalink
Perhaps you won't following the controversy. This has been going - Left's opposition for the last 1 1/2 years
RE:Sonia has raised the pitch on nuclear deal issue to distract people's attention from the alarming inflationary situation.
by Ram Sharma on Jul 01, 2008 06:17 PM Permalink
Do u remember earlier MMS had said that nuclear deal is not every thing?
RE:RE:Sonia has raised the pitch on nuclear deal issue to distract people's attention from the alarming inflationary situation.
by Ram Sharma on Jul 01, 2008 06:09 PM Permalink
I hv been following the controversy. Earlier MMS said that nuclear deal is not everything. It is just to distract the attention of the people. Even leftists might also b hands in gloves with Congress in it.
Please go through the Hyde Act related to US-India Nuclear agreement, specifically clauses 103 – b – 4 and 104-c-2-G.
Clause 103 deals with the US policy goals of the act.
Clause 103-b-4 states "Secure India’s full and active participation in United States efforts to dissuade, isolate, and, if necessary, Sanction and contain Iran for its efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction, including a nuclear weapons capability and the capability to enrich uranium or reprocess nuclear fuel, and the means to deliver weapons of mass destruction."
The US Presidents will have to certify every 180 days to the US Congress among other things "A description and assessment of the specific measures that India has taken to fully and actively participate in United States and international efforts to dissuade, isolate, and, if necessary, sanction and contain Iran for its efforts to acquire weapons of mass destruction, including a nuclear weapons capability and the capability to enrich uranium or reprocess nuclear fuel and the means to deliver weapons of mass destruction"
As per the clause 106 the US president cannot give the required Waiver under clause 123 of US Atomic Energy Act (required for operating the 123 agreement) if the President determines that India has detonated a nuclear explosive device after the date of the enactment of this title (December 2006).
In short, this agreement would be nullified if we test in future. So all the nuclear power plants
RE:123 Agreement - Henri Hyde Act - Support for government
by deepak singh on Jul 01, 2008 06:04 PM Permalink
Sir
As on today 1st July 2008, we Indian are not sure whether this agreement is beneficial to our motherland or harmfull. We are still divided among us on this issue. Why? Because no one know, exactly what is the agreement. When naxalite say this is..... we agreed. When BJP say....we agreed. When congress say.... we agreed. And also disagreed later on, when we hear counter point.
It is all because of government secretive nature, why government's not disclosing all to its ally atleast.
This agreement is same like agreement between Jina- Nehru- British government to divide the country. It was not known untill it was implemented.
RE:RE:123 Agreement - Henri Hyde Act - Support for government
by Aviram Vijh on Jul 01, 2008 06:05 PM Permalink
The govt is elected by the people...who have vested their faith in them to take decisions on their behalf...it doesn't need to show u or me anything sir... this shows that we don't even trust our own govt or PM..
RE:123 Agreement - Henri Hyde Act - Support for government
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 06:21 PM Permalink
The likes of Deepak would sing a different tune if it was the BJP
RE:123 Agreement - Henri Hyde Act - Support for government
by ByTheWay on Jul 01, 2008 06:30 PM Permalink
Buddy, the frustration you are seeing here and all over the country is not just about this deal - understand that. I know you save anti BJP feelings and a cong sympathizer, but even you cannt ignore the fact that this govt is non-functioning one atleast for the last one year. Everyday people get up and see the news paper to see a one day cong will go ahead with deal, left issues warning, PM says we are commited, sonia says consensus would be made, left says no way..... how long this is going on. I do support BJP, but I'm not saying this deal is of no use just becos UPA is signing this. But this is just an eye wash, as I had stated earlier in this forumn.Both congress and left knew from 2004 that they cannot go into 2009 general elections as allies. So they kept this deal as a way to fight and part ways, smart..isnt it ?
RE:123 Agreement - Henri Hyde Act - Support for government
by Arup Chakraborty on Jul 01, 2008 05:46 PM Permalink
Thanks Milland for atleast come up with real facts. Many in this blog actually dont know or not aware about the seriousness of this issue. They are just happy with making jokes or write junks. But the fact never goes wrong. It is BJP who start talking with USA for this agreement and when MMS initiate the talk again he though he will get support from BJP since everybody in india knows left will oppose it but the never trust lot BJP play the politics and now we are in this situation. It shows how immature MMS is politically? And what is BJP's character?
RE:123 Agreement - Henri Hyde Act - Support for government
by Aviram Vijh on Jul 01, 2008 06:04 PM Permalink
The BJP will not support the deal bcoz they cud not salvage a deal that was even half good as this one.
The US will impose terms that it likes...if it says i'll give u uranium but with certain restrictions regarding nuclear weapons...whats wrong with it?
Its our choice...take it or leave it...we can keep making bombs..and when the time for war comes we wont even have the uranium required! stupid asses are stuck up with bomb even when half this nation lives in darkness
RE:123 Agreement - Henri Hyde Act - Support for government
by sylesh gopan on Jul 01, 2008 06:12 PM Permalink
At the end of the day BJP is also a political outfit not a non-profit NGO. Political existence in a highly polarized country like India will be marked by the smart positions a party takes. Here its true that BJP started the talk, but UPA govt didnt give them the respect the prime opposition deserved. Your statement is not true that everyone knew Left will not support, but the fact is UPA thought for the sake of keeping BJP out of power, left may come around and give mute support to this. But only when the real they realized that left will never support this, they went to BJP - that too indirectly. The attitude shown by both PM and UPA towards BJP was nothing but arrogance personified.
But this all could be an eye wash. Both congress and left knew from 2004 that they cannot go into 2009 general elections as allies. So they kept this deal as a way to fight and part ways, smart..isnt it ?
RE:123 Agreement - Henri Hyde Act - Support for government
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 05:39 PM Permalink
The clause is pro-India. We cannot have another nuclear neighbor. China & Pakistan is bad enough.
This clause is the reason why the Left and BSP term the agreement as anti-Muslim. The question is why the BJP joins them in opposing the deal - for a few Muslim votes?
RE:RE:123 Agreement - Henri Hyde Act - Support for government
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 05:42 PM Permalink
Why should we test our nuclear bombs? All nuclear countries here on believe that there is no need when this can be computer simulated using past data.
It is exactly to generate such data, the Vajpayee government continued testing over several days. This is hypocrisy by the BJP
RE:123 Agreement - Henri Hyde Act - Support for government
by anil b on Jul 01, 2008 05:45 PM Permalink
it is because the BJP guys are old and senile and they have lost their senses especially Advani .
RE:123 Agreement - Henri Hyde Act - Support for government
by Milind Kulkarni on Jul 01, 2008 06:26 PM Permalink
Isolating and containing Iran's nuke program would be in India's interest.
BUT we must not do so because of the requirement of an agreement signed with United States or Any other country.
Whatever foreign policy must be solely that of the Indian Government without any explicit assurances to other countries.
RE:123 Agreement - Henri Hyde Act - Support for government
by Ram Sharma on Jul 01, 2008 05:43 PM Permalink
The clause is not in India's interest. Why r u bringing Muslims in it? China is not a Muslim country. How Hyde act will deter other countries not to go nuclear? Talk sensibly.
RE:123 Agreement - Henri Hyde Act - Support for government
by Ram Sharma on Jul 01, 2008 06:11 PM Permalink
How the deal between India and USA will prevent this? Why it will not prevent if Hyde act is not applicable.
RE:123 Agreement - Henri Hyde Act - Support for government
by Gopal on Jul 01, 2008 11:00 PM Permalink
The Hyde act had only three pages in the beginning. Later several explanatory notes were added to it making it a 41 (Forty one) page document. It can be a good subject for researchers to analyse the implications in all its widest spectrum. Thanks Milind
RE:RE:123 Agreement - Henri Hyde Act - Support for government
by j j on Jul 01, 2008 05:45 PM Permalink
Congress regrets and communist deny we have nuclear bomb.
SO forget about any more nuclear bomb under any congress govt.
Haven't we been hearing the same things over last several months from the commies?? They have been threatening to pull the plug over this issue for ever...what is stopping them from doing so? The PM has clearly announced his intentions of going ahead with the deal, Sonia Gandhi has already exhorted her partymen to be ready for an early polls...what are the commies waiting for now??? Do they want an invitation from the govt to withdraw support?
These left parties are spineless and anti-nationals. They are more interested in doing the bidding for their political bosses from across the border (China) than thinking about the "our" national interest. Now, they are trying to mask their true intentions with a dose of 'martrydom' with elections in mind and nothing else.
Mr Karat/Bardhan/Yechury/Raja et al...kindly do us this favour - get out of this government and let them do their job and duty. You guys are like those ugly and uncouth union leaders in a PSU who have to oppose every move of the management without understanding its merits and demerits.
Nuclear deal is not panacea for the country. Though it must b very lucrative for USA, bcz of which it has been constantly pressing our govt to sign it. Sonia, through MMS has probably raised the pitch on this issue to distract people's attention from the alarming inflationary situation. We should sign it only if Hyde act is made non applicable to it.
Why the govt is not showing the full draft of the deal to its supporting allies and the opposition BJP? What is it hiding?
The main problem of the country is inflation, which is the result of many factors, including galloping population. We must follow the Chinese model of one child norm to control it. We hv only 2.4% of world's land but 16% of its population and still increasing. Moreover we must try to reduce energy consumption by practicing simple living as shown by Gandhiji, Kabir Das etc.
As regards the present govt, it does not hv people's mandate and is just the result of post poll opportunistic alliance of enemies. Congress & left don't see eye to eye in WB, Keral & Tripura; DMK was earlier denounced by Congress as sympathiser of Rajiv killers; Sharad Pawar was ousted as he dared to raise the question of Sonia's foreign origin in a dynastic party etc. In a coalition u cannot take unilateral decision. BJP did not go for uniform civil code (supported by SC as well), removal of article 370 & Ram mandir due to coalition, while ruling as NDA.
RE:RE:Nuclear deal is not panacea for the country
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 05:45 PM Permalink
So you agree, when mandate is for a coalition, these things happen.
At least the UPA-Left coalition problem cropped up at the end of 4 1/2 yrs. This is far better than NDA who put up regular soap operas - Maya, Jaya, Mamta etc tantrums, leaving, rejoining, leaving again for very trivial reasons
RE:Nuclear deal is not panacea for the country
by ByTheWay on Jul 01, 2008 06:39 PM Permalink
UPA-Left coalition problem cropped up after 4 1/2 yrs. ?..oh god..thats the joke of the day ! Has this govt been functioning in this time period ? Has cong gone ahead and taken any major decisions other than minority appeasement over this period. And there you are talking about jayas & mamtas...dude just look at the elecions which has happened in this country for the last three years - you should get the pulse.
Its cheap to assume to be super power when u r not ! Lets leave hypocracy and face facts. A country of 100 Million if they have to achieve a stantard of living which is 1/2 that an average American enjoys we will need the same energy resource as of the US. Currentely the energy capability of India is just 3% of the total energy used by the US! WE DONT WANT NEUCLER DEAL B/CAUSE WE DONT LIKE AMERICA. WE DONT WANT IRAN PIPE LINE AS WE DONT LIKE PAKISTAN. LUCKILY WE DONT HAVE A DISLIKE TO BUY PETROL FROM MUSLIM NATIONS!! wah INDIA wah..
RE:India needs to learn to be mature and see facts of life
by Gopal on Jul 01, 2008 11:08 PM Permalink
The expected nuclear energy for the next decade is just 6 per cent of total. Then why do we worry about the implications
RE:Left Baboons
by jas india on Jul 01, 2008 05:29 PM Permalink
If my reply is wrong then what about the above message. What word he has used. pLEASE REMOVE SUCH MESSAGES ALSO.
RE:Left Baboons
by Ram Sharma on Jul 01, 2008 05:34 PM Permalink
Why does the Congress not say that it does not need their support? It is an arrangement between two sides.
RE:It is long way away- commies nevercommit suicide
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 05:53 PM Permalink
Who says Commies never commit suicide. Watch their decimation in the Lok Sabha polls
RE:It is long way away- commies nevercommit suicide
by Aviram Vijh on Jul 01, 2008 06:00 PM Permalink
Hey anurag who said that our commies listen to the chinese? The left, which is commonly known to mimick China perhaps isn't aware that China has made a similar deal with the US many years back and has also signed the 123 agreement (infact 23 countries have).
China whuz growth continues to stun the world will generate around 8.7 million kilowatts (8700MW) power by 2010 which is atleast 3 times where we stand. How come the commies there agree with the US on the deal...and our asses hear just keep crying?
RE:It is long way away- commies nevercommit suicide
by jas india on Jul 01, 2008 05:27 PM Permalink
ASK BJP AND OTHER PARTIES TO SUPPORT THE PM IN SIGNING THE SAME. NOBODY HAS ANY RIGHT TO BLAME THEM. IT IS THEIR PARTY'S STAND.
RE:It is long way away- commies nevercommit suicide
by Anurag Katriar on Jul 01, 2008 05:36 PM Permalink
Stand based on what? It is not a result of their internal politbeauru discussions and deliberations but a clear cut result of instructions from their chinese counterparts.
Left is still holding on to the junk ideology responsible for creating half of the poor and miserable people in the world. Whichever country held on to their communist idealogy and shaped their country, are all in miserable state. Cuba and North korea are the only ones who are still holding on to it while all the rest including india has moved ahead shedding the load of leftist idealogy and slowly getting out of poverty. These people want to reverse the process and cant see their idealogy rotting and would like to the country rotting instead. They should be wiped out of the country in the next election. BJP leadership in kerala and bengal is to be blamed for not bringing up a strong party base in these two states. They play more of internal politics and vote trading and not interested in winning.
RE:RE:Left should be wiped out of the country
by Ram Sharma on Jul 01, 2008 05:58 PM Permalink
People in difeerent parts of country hv different perceptions and experience. Left is a strong force in WB, Keral & Tripura. U just cannot wish them away.
