U.S. is waiting for such a long time for the deal to go through. They are not stupid. They are waiting only because they will gain from it. They are not doing charity.
RE:Its not a charity
by hinduhindus on Jul 01, 2008 04:20 PM Permalink
Is China is the good ally. Our left parties can believe China who attacks on Indian territory but not US.
I am neither supporting the left nor the congress. But in an independent country why is all the details of the deal so very confidential that it cannot be discussed or shown to the people. By people I do not mean common man but the learned people (scientists and the opposition).
RE:Neither left nor right
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 04:20 PM Permalink
Only after international deals are signed, they are put up in the public domain. The 1-2-3 agreement and the Hyde Act can be accessed from the web. There is no secrecy.
The Left is just being unreasonable. Can any political party stop a PM from discharging his international relation responsibility?
RE:Neither left nor right
by ajith raj on Jul 01, 2008 04:26 PM Permalink
No this is not right...they r not making other oposition parties in confidence...only after that the deal should be signed..else the left should withdraw their support for the sake of our country...
RE:RE:Neither left nor right
by Gopal on Jul 02, 2008 12:44 AM Permalink
It is surprising to note that lot of discussion is going on about the N-deal. Did any one know what is in the deal, really? The government is adamant not to reveal the content of the draft prepared in the IAEA discussion. It is unfortunate. Let there be transparency.
I wish the present govt or the coming govt pass a bill to regulate all documents that is signed with any outside agencies. Now there is no control over the negotiators. Is it not violative of the constitution? Getting it approved later by the parliament is not an excuse.
Let some forum bring out the details of documents signed by the various agencies of India with outside agencies, at least for the last five years. Then we can discuss about the omissions done by us.
According to Indian constitution no single person has the right to take decisions. Even the President of India takes decision after getting advice/remarks from the Prime Minister/Minister. In turn Ministers are responsible to the Parliament. Parliament is the authority for everything. What happened for the N-deal. Some bureaucrats and a few ministers decided the terms of the agreements and signed it. Later it was presented in the Parliament. All parties BJP/Left and all others agreed to the terms. Later they discovered that a mistake was made! Wonderful!! Now, at least, they opened their eyes. Good. Sense prevails.
RE:Neither left nor right
by Gopal on Jul 02, 2008 12:39 AM Permalink
It is not correct to say that the N-deal can be signed without referring it to Parliament. Read Constitution of India article 246(1) "Parliament has exclusive power to make laws with respect to any of the matters enumerated in List I in the Seventh Schedule" to the Constitution. And Entry 14 in List I of the seventh schedule reads: "Entering into treaties and agreements with foreign countries and implementing of treaties, agreements and conventions with foreign countries." According to this provision we could have enacted a Law to protect our interest as per the 123 agreement. Instead of taking effort to protect our inter by enacting a law, we negotiated the deal. Now it is proposed to present the documents for debate in the Parliament. It can not be swallowed -in a democratic view. Dr APJ was for energy independence and not energy security. So the 123 agreement should be aimed to achieve this aim.
RE:Neither left nor right
by vox populi on Jul 01, 2008 04:26 PM Permalink
the left should no better--the chinese are highly secretive--this is a feature of totalitarian and autocratic regimes
RE:Neither left nor right
by abhishek shrivastava on Jul 01, 2008 04:44 PM Permalink
Live in a real world...when u do international negotiation ...there is term called ..."credibility" and when u go to public there is at term called "Integrity" On both accounts govt has done its best..only in this issue.
He is not God and take his own judgements. He need to listen to the people too.
USA is not a good ally anyway.
if he has the guts let him tell USA to stop all military funding to Pak. that is really hurting India. Why he thinks the terror camps in Pak without the knowledge of USA.
PM should quit. otherwise make it public what is so impressive about nuclear deal. Govt. says it is good. Left says it is bad.. why there is proper good vs bad analysis. Something is wrong.. more over USA is pushing..
RE:Our PM is not God
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 04:24 PM Permalink
In India,anyone gets a crowd. So even a good policy is opposed. This is signs of good democracy. It is clear however, majority at least in urban India backs the nuclear deal.
RE:Our PM is not God
by Jitendra Kumar on Jul 01, 2008 04:19 PM Permalink
Nobody has guts to stop USA. How many international deals were made public so far?
RE:Our PM is not God
by Raj K on Jul 01, 2008 04:26 PM Permalink
why should we say yes?. Why an international deals cannot be made public. This govt. will go, but the public made suffer for years. We have the right to know what is it all about.
RE:RE:Our PM is not God
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 04:25 PM Permalink
he 1-2-3 agreement and the Hyde Act can be accessed from the web. There is no secrecy. I suggest you read them
RE:Our PM is not God
by hinduhindus on Jul 01, 2008 04:19 PM Permalink
Is China is the good ally. Our left parties can believe China who attacks on Indian territory but not US.
India 2020, global power 1/14/2005 03:45:00 PM | Permanent Link | Comments (4) If you live in America, I'm sure you've heard about the CIA report dubbing India and China as future economic superpowers, and if you're in India, I'm even more sure you have.
The 2020 vision by the CIA though seems a bit presumptuous, but a vision has to be I guess. The report assumes, if all goes well, i.e. India & Pakistan settle Kashmir, Bodo Land ceases it's demands, the stock index keeps climbing, corruption stays in control, etc. then India will emerge to reach USA's peripheral accomplishments!
It's all possible, it's happening. Such a small aspect as driver's license, which was like getting an expensive magazine subscription, now seems a bit more tedious to just "pull off".
I hate to admit this, but Laloo has suddenly decided to work, and the railways' situation has drastically improved.
Air India has improved it's service too, and we get to see more Indian belles with pleasant smiles than old hags, who're out to harass you, just because you asked for water, when they was serving lunch!
Delhi's flyovers seem to literally multiply every time I return during Fall and Summer breaks.
Though a worthy mention amidst all this is our movie industry, the pseudo famous Bollywood, has picked up points on USA's "Who gets to be the daddy" report. I've seen more good Hindi movies in the past year than I have English, which really means to say, that Bollywood has r
India 2020, global power 1/14/2005 03:45:00 PM | Permanent Link | Comments (4) If you live in America, I'm sure you've heard about the CIA report dubbing India and China as future economic superpowers, and if you're in India, I'm even more sure you have.
The 2020 vision by the CIA though seems a bit presumptuous, but a vision has to be I guess. The report assumes, if all goes well, i.e. India & Pakistan settle Kashmir, Bodo Land ceases it's demands, the stock index keeps climbing, corruption stays in control, etc. then India will emerge to reach USA's peripheral accomplishments!
It's all possible, it's happening. Such a small aspect as driver's license, which was like getting an expensive magazine subscription, now seems a bit more tedious to just "pull off".
I hate to admit this, but Laloo has suddenly decided to work, and the railways' situation has drastically improved.
Air India has improved it's service too, and we get to see more Indian belles with pleasant smiles than old hags, who're out to harass you, just because you asked for water, when they was serving lunch!
Delhi's flyovers seem to literally multiply every time I return during Fall and Summer breaks.
Though a worthy mention amidst all this is our movie industry, the pseudo famous Bollywood, has picked up points on USA's "Who gets to be the daddy" report. I've seen more good Hindi movies in the past year than I have English, which really means to say, that Bollywood has really improved; mov
RE:left right left
by Jitendra Kumar on Jul 01, 2008 04:21 PM Permalink
Tussi do patiyala peg maar ke bund upar karke so jao. Ik sardar kafi hai desh chalanu waaste.
Given these threats, the Govt. should arrest K Prakash, the anti-national Malayalee who is more commonly referred to as Prakash Karat these days, on the 3rd of July. The charges should include anti-national, subversive and conspiratorial activities against the Government. Given the provisions of the anti-terrorist act, they should take their own time before producing him in a court of law and keep him with various other anti-socials who may be quite interested in exploring his inner recesses.
RE:Arrest K Prakash
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 04:27 PM Permalink
Let us not stoop down to the level of knickerwallahs as Modi's Police State embodifies - intolerance. The latter has no place in a democracy. The Left will be shown its place by the electorate for its arrogance
RE:Arrest K Prakash
by swedeshi on Jul 01, 2008 04:26 PM Permalink
This statement revealing about the sense and codition of those who are supporting PM on behalf of US
RE:Arrest K Prakash
by Anil on Jul 01, 2008 04:31 PM Permalink
There are lot of most corrupted and Gunda leaders in all other parties except communists. Why that people are not being arrested? What Prakash Karat has done wrong in arresting him? A party will support or not support it is none of anybody's business, it is their party' stand.
Left should realsie that other than WB,Kerala and Tripura they are not welcome elsewhere They get voted in these states through sheer intimidation and terror Democracy is anathema to them Capitalists in WB but spoilers elsewhere experts in distorting history. All commie bosses never have won an election karat more worried about China getting "encircled" nandigram proved to what extent they can go through If the Ndeal goes thru it will alienate the muslims Hence the commies are being deceitful to the people of India. Let them retire to China and leave us in peace
RE:hard facts
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 04:30 PM Permalink
No the BSP join the chorus - it is anti-Muslim not telling how? The BJP also opposes the deal presumably trying to attract Muslim votes
Left leaders have been opposing nuke deal from the begining itself. They have a principled stand. Not like BJP - which while in power then falling on its knees in front of US for the deal and now when in opposition, then taking a different stand. Shame on unprincipled and oppurtinistic party like BJP.
RE:Let are principled people
by King c on Jul 01, 2008 04:16 PM Permalink
dont talk nonsense when you dont know anything. when the BJP was in power, it defied the US and other Nuclear powers by going in for the nuclear tests. The entire world opinion turned against India, but BJP successfully turned it around.
The BJP is only opposing the deal, because the present deal explicitly prevents India from conducting further nuclear tests. The Congress says we dont need any further tests. But who knows how technology will evolve, wont we need further tests? How can we cap our know how at current levels and be so short sighted like the Congress usually is?
RE:Let are principled people
by All Right on Jul 01, 2008 04:35 PM Permalink
Don't forget before BJP, India burst into the nuclear club courtesy Indira Gandhi in early 70s.
The BJP succumbing to US pressure wanted to send Indian forces to Iraq. The move failed only because all other NDA allies opposed it. Still they gave US airforce rights to land for re-fuelling during the war.
The Congress is right. All nuclear powers agree that there is no need to physically test when it can be computer simulated using past test data. It was to generate such data, that the Vajpayee government continued to test bombs over sevral days. So the BJP fully this, is untruthful to the nation.
RE:Let are principled people
by Mr kumar on Jul 01, 2008 04:18 PM Permalink
Left is not opposing the NUKE deal from the starting. If they are really against, they should have stopped the government much earlier than now. Once the government signed the deal with US then Left started opposing, until then they are just watching.
RE:Let are principled people
by ouch on Jul 01, 2008 04:14 PM Permalink
Left are principled traitors. All their positioning is for the benefit of China right from 1962 war, where they openly supported China.
RE:Let are principled people
by swedeshi on Jul 01, 2008 04:34 PM Permalink
which country supported Pakistan during 1971 war? Which country sent its 7th fleet of navy to Indian ocean for supporting Pakistan? Which country persuaded Russia for not supplying cryogenic engine to India from Russia? Which country tried for the implementation of UN resolution on Kashmir till recently? Which country tried for the defeat of Indian candidate for the post of Secretary General of UN (Sasi Taroor)? The answer is US .Then who is traitor of nation you or the left? Please understand that all people cannot be misguided by misinformation campaign being carried out by US paid people like you against the left.
