Ab Advani ban gaya 'statesmsn'. Now he has to accomodate mamta-samta-farookh-gillani-afjal guru all. Then only his & Kamla bahenji's dream will be fulfilled. Lage raho munnabhai Adwani. bhool jao Karachi, bhool jao apna janamsthan aur apnoko. Ab to Arjun jaisa ekagra dristi - Kursi PM-ka. - Bidyut Mukherji. Kolkata
You should always walk the talk, you should practice what you preach and not demolish the worship places and then preach peace ... next you would say that the place had temple earlier thus we did justice by breaking the place of worship,but again can we all start resetting things as it existed in primitve stages..can we all go back to that stage ,.... ????
The spread of Naxalism/Maosim and entrenched power of Communists is biggest threat to our civilization, prosperity and identity. Make no mistake, these groups are abetting each other. Every informed Indian need to aware of this cancer.
The second but equally powerful threat is white-man's lunatic passion of spreading their faith and culture by means of abundant dollars. Trust me, it's even more dangerous than Musalmaani terrorism. White man knows how to do it: loot other people's culture, identity and everything they stood for since beginning of times. They've done it all over the world: South America, Africa and now Asian countries are becoming their victims.
Both of these foreign ideologies are very powerful and have proven records to do whatever destruction they intend to do.
Friends, secularism doesn't mean loss of your culture and value. India can have future only if Hindu values are kept and improved. Otherwise, we're doomed.
Whether this is just a show or a really honest attempt , only time will tell. But the fact is a party accused of being communal has made at least a paper proposal for peace and harmony whereas the self-proclaimed seculars are still in Hindu bashing mood. And nothing can be said about the others.
RSS has never been communal , BJP used Ram mandir issue to win elections and that was their major mistake. Fighting against pseudo-secularism should not mean using the same tactics they use, this will polarize the society and put this nations interest into jeopardy.
BJP needs to actively start working on regaining the trust of Muslims and other religions but not use tactics like minority appeasement, reservations etc.
There will be some who just dont want a good change, they just dont want to give a chance to anyone except themselves, these people are beyond redemption and should be sidelined.
"....The second question is: Can Asia, or for that matter, the rest of the world, rest in peace if ideologies of religious extremism, exclusivism and global domination -- and these ideologies neither respect democracy nor tolerate secularism and plurality -- are allowed to grow in our midst?"
It is unbelievable! Advani speaking of the evils of religious extremism and exclusivism! Are we hearing right, or has Advani given up his extremist/ exclusivist RSS ways?
Such hypocrisy and self-blindedness!Incredible.
It is obvious to a neutral observer that any kind of religious extremism, whether it is the Islamist's (Taliban, Al Qaida) or Advani's (RSS/VHP/BJP) is bad for the world. The world do not need these hardliners and their hypocrytical but dangerous postures.
RE:Unbelievable!
by mrjoko on Jan 21, 2008 02:55 PM Permalink
Because you seemed to be such a learned man...
please explain how RSS/VHP/BJP be equated with Taliban and Al Qaida??
Have ever RSS/VHP/BJP ever accused of terrorist activities... have they ever planted bombs in markets... are they armed Hinju Jihadis??
Do they ride on Tanks in our Gali Mohallas... Do their cadres tot AK-47/57/2000007 ?? Do they execute terror plots in other countries?? Do they recruit suicide bombers??
RE:RE:Unbelievable!
by Bhaumik on Jan 21, 2008 09:00 PM Permalink
mrjoko and bhoothnath,
If you read carefully, you would notice I did not equate RSS/VHP/BJp with Taliban etc.. But both are extremists and exclusivists groups, which are bad for the world. The former here in India, and the latter in Islamist countries. Do we need to go the way of Islamist countries?
Killing people in the name of religion: There are thousands of ways to do such evil. Spanish inquisitors, Torquemada, never used AK 47 or suicide bombers, but they still killed the heretics in the medieval century.
The extremist exclusivist ideology of RSS is medieval, how-may-ever it is dressed up. Such violent,exclusivist movements probabaly belong to the mediebval times.
It is duplicitous of Advani, who is the product of exclusivist politics to speak the way he does in the article. Or, is he denouncing his mentors, his party?
RE:Unbelievable!
by Bhootnath on Jan 21, 2008 01:27 PM Permalink
I think you are making a mistake by saying that RSS/BJP are same as Al-Qaeda/LeT. They are not , while RSS/BJP are reacting to an perceived religious injustice, the latter are out to eliminate everyone who does not accept their ideology.
Well, China and India ought to have been allies due to our shared culture. However, the western educated nehrus never realised that china was a power. Communist china was always a threat but we need to understand that it was communism and not china that was the threat to India. It is because of nehru's attitude that the chinese mistrusted us and went so far as to support pakistan overtly and covertly. However, we need to respect the chinese who are much more patriotic and hardworking than we are. . Even China has now realised the problem with islam and are ready to re-recognise buddhism as their own. We should take a cue from this. Indic religions are not harmful to the world like judaic religions are because of their full-belief in half-knowledge. . Also, the growth of Bihar (a border state to Nepal) was stalled with full complicity of the congress govt in centre that supported the dangerous lalu govt. This has led to Biharis migrating everywhere in India leading to economic and social issues. This has also led to easy maoist grouping in the region. Thus, one must realise that if you make mistakes, you are going to face retribution in some manner or the other. . Growth of UP and Bihar should be topmost priority now. Economic growth will lead to betterment of the situation elsewhere as well.
RE:Advani Road Map of peace
by Kaushik Das on Jan 20, 2008 05:23 PM Permalink
If communalisation means speaking for hindus, then it cannot be a bad thing. Why don't you go to saudia and ask for some pluralism and secularism? How can muslims ask for secularism in (an already secular) India when their own nations are far from even accepting that there can be other spiritual paths than islam?
RE:Advani write up reminds us about Prof ML Sondhi
by Tataghata Mukherjee on Jan 20, 2008 05:24 PM Permalink
Unfortunately FASCISM is deeply rooted in India. The Fascist however, doesn't know that he is a fascist. Fascist are strongly patriotic and think they belong to a higher breed. All other creatures are just mosquitoes for them to be crushed in their palms and trodden under their feet.
I used to tell those dumb right wingers who talk crap about Nehru & Co. to look at Pakistan. We had leaders with secular credentials after independence who were even willing to give up their life to promote secularism. Pakistan had its own leaders. Right wingers should see where we are today and where Pakistan is. If we had gone the Hindutva way after independence, we would have been exactly like Pakistan in all respect except our country would be called Hindustan (not because of Indus). If it really about ones right to exist and the competition there in, then its the Fascist who don't deserve to exist, not their victims
RE:Advani write up reminds us about Prof ML Sondhi
by Kaushik Das on Jan 20, 2008 05:36 PM Permalink
I completely disagree. A hindu nation is completely different from an islamic nation. Hinduism does not espouse the cause of annihilating others (which is given sanction in islam). Thus, a hindu India would have been just the way it is and not like pakistan. Only, yes, we would not have to tolerate stupid demands based on a 20-crore strong violent population calling itself a minority.
RE:Advani write up reminds us about Prof ML Sondhi
by Pathur Swaminathan on Jan 22, 2008 02:54 AM Permalink
Dear Baumik (if that is your real name),
You are using the same pseudo secular cliches of the pseudo secular English Language Media of India. The fact is semetic religions are exclusivist and Hindus are not. Aftermath of Godhra was an abberation, a massive deplorable reaction to the equally massive deplorable Godhra massacre!
If you must dwell in the past, please do not restrict it to 2002, go beyond and you will see the atrocities of the Islamists/Missionairies/Maxists/Macualytes on the Hindus, spanning nearly a milleneum!
India has to rise and shine, so please set aside religious/ideological and other narrow biases from your own mind. Be objective in your views and that will help us all stand together and help build India, brick by brick!
RE:Advani write up reminds us about Prof ML Sondhi
by Bhaumik on Jan 23, 2008 09:21 AM Permalink
Pathur..,
"You are using the same pseudo secular cliches of the pseudo secular English Language Media of India. The fact is semetic religions are exclusivist and Hindus are not."
Point one: That first sentence of yours is the real chiche. It is thrown at anyone who criticise your kind of view point.
Point two: Nowhere I said Hindus are exclusivists. They are not, even if you say so. I was saying RSS/VHP etc are exclusivist, not Hindus. Hindus are never ever exclusivists.
Point three: The rest of your post is just cliches and cliches we have heard a hundred times over (especially that marxist macaulyte part). It is like a tin-drum, initially it sounds like music, then it starts grating.
