Why do we have to worry about this disgusting pathetic excuse for a nation called Pakistan ? They are already messed up. Let them go to hell. I couldnt care less about those retarded islamists.
they are charging fine and panalties... still better then al-qaida. atleast they're not killing ppl for such so called offenses... ha ha ha. but it's not funny at all. day seems to be no far away when militant groups will rule most of the pakistan enforcing foolish laws and distorting islam.
It is also possible that the words of Quran might be prophet's own words.....he could not read and write so if at all Quran was written by himself then there is something miracle about it as he could not read and write but he did but actually as you say he memorised it himself after revelation and declare the revelation to his companions to write it....so what is great in it???
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by super success on Jan 17, 2008 07:20 PM Permalink
rajiv why do u want to interfere in there religion. i am also hindu but we should not poke our nose in there believing let them be happy and we be happy following our religion
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by Indian on Jan 17, 2008 07:29 PM Permalink
well...I said , so what is the problem ? :) u didn't say anything about Islam but I can.
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by Farooq on Jan 17, 2008 07:58 PM Permalink
Islam is super flop yaaaa thats why it has second largest following in world and hinduism is super sucess coz people are leaving hindusim in mass..what a statastics u got a briallaint statastical mind @ fake indian
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by Indian on Jan 17, 2008 08:02 PM Permalink
islam is the fastest perishing religion, and it has 1% conversion rate and u can find numerous article in net stating the fact that Islam's growth is due to high birth rate and low literacy, In Africa it is the fastest decreasing religion ever, and u say that islam is scientific but yet to produce a good scientist. APJ Kallam ?? I respect him, because he never speaks about islam, instead he quotes from "GITA"....ha ha a ha
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by Arif on Jan 17, 2008 07:18 PM Permalink
Quran is quran and it speaks for itself. We dont worship Mohammed(PBUH) as he never asked us to worship him. Quran says that if you dont belive in Islam then its absolutely OK. You can follow your religion and the muslims can follow theirs.
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by Rajiv on Jan 17, 2008 07:21 PM Permalink
Arif you said,"if you dont belive in Islam then its absolutely OK".....well brother read Quran once again....you are saying something in contrary to what Quran teaches....
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by Arif on Jan 17, 2008 07:25 PM Permalink
I have read the Quran. Its my holy book. I love my Quran and read it with devotion. It says that not following one God is a great sin but it does not say that somebody should be forced to follow. Quran chapter 109 1. Say : O ye that reject Faith! 2. I worship not that which ye worship, 3. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. 4. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, 5. Nor will ye worship that which I worship. 6. To you be your Way, and to me mine.
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by Rajiv on Jan 17, 2008 07:28 PM Permalink
According to what u said before that"if you dont belive in Islam then its absolutely OK". Is it not written in Quran that if a muslims wishes to leave Islam then he should be stoned to death?? Do you want me to help you with the verse from Quran??
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by Arif on Jan 17, 2008 07:30 PM Permalink
Sure dude help me also please give the circumstances around that sura. Each and every surah is in a context. So I am sure you will mention the context too.
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by Rupakshi on Jan 17, 2008 07:34 PM Permalink
Sura 4: 88-89 reads: %u201CWhosoever turns back from his belief, openly or secretly, take him and kill him wheresoever ye find him, like any other infidel. Separate yourself from him altogether. Do not accept intercession in his regard". According to hadith, a special reward in Paradise is reserved for the killer of apostates
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by Arif on Jan 17, 2008 07:42 PM Permalink
Sorry my mistake. It was 4 88-89 ok..maybe you should also post 4:90 it will clear your doubts. Thanks.
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by Arif on Jan 17, 2008 07:37 PM Permalink
Can you please give me the chapter number again. Because there are only 26 ayats in chapter 88.
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by Farooq on Jan 17, 2008 07:49 PM Permalink
in this ayat it was said like that becoz jews where the enemies of islam and islam was new at that time soo these make everyone feel like they accepted islam and again they leave it in bunch just to make everyone feel that people are leaving islam that why allah order like that soo that they dont do this to misguide..if jews can do conspiracy then allah is better planner then them..after all he is our GOD
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by Farooq on Jan 17, 2008 07:45 PM Permalink
88. What is [the matter] with you [that you are] two groups concerning the hypocrites, while Allah has made them fall back [into error and disbelief] for what they earned. Do you wish to guide those whom Allah has sent astray? And he whom Allah sends astray - never will you find for him a way [of guidance]. 89. They wish you would disbelieve as they disbelieved so you would be alike. So do not take from among them allies until they emigrate for the cause of Allah. But if they turn away, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them and take not from among them any ally or helper.
RE:Give me the answer....
by Krishnan on Jan 17, 2008 07:41 PM Permalink
why do you "love" it so much? of course, this Q is not to you personally but to many other who say they "love" religious books more than their own personal works, for which they have toiled. these books are handed over from one generation to another with changes as per the times.
RE:Give me the answer....
by super success on Jan 17, 2008 07:22 PM Permalink
but rajiv why the hell you want to analyse there religion please keep quiet
Ok, i understand the beard part...BUT WHATZ THE DEAL ABOUT SINGING OR LISTENING TO MUSIC??!!
Allah is merciful that he spared me from take-ing birth in a stoooopid muslim society...
"The group has also banned listening to music and watching TV. It has also imposed a fine of Rs 500 for each audio cassette found in any person's possession. Volunteers of the Tanzim Bilmaroof have severely beaten tribesmen who do not cover their heads."
RE:Why fine listening to music
by Arif on Jan 17, 2008 07:05 PM Permalink
You got it right. You have to ask him. I dont belive in some mulla sitting in kyber pass. I belive in the quran. You tell me where is it written in the quran that music or tv is haram ?
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by kabir ahmed on Jan 17, 2008 07:34 PM Permalink
@john nataraj.....
u r such a loser, & losers dont find aything in the Quran not only with "a thorough, painstaking search", even if they keep searching the Quran for their whole life they will not find anything logical....
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by ammy on Jan 17, 2008 07:24 PM Permalink
Now Dahling Arif, show me where in Koran does it say that a muslim has to make a trip to haj atleast once in his life time?!Thank you so much for taking the bait!! And yes best wishes for your safe trip!!
RE:Why fine listening to music
by Arif on Jan 17, 2008 07:32 PM Permalink
Hajj is a part of Islamic tradition. Hajj was followed even before Mohammad. So whats your point ?
RE:Why fine listening to music
by Arif on Jan 17, 2008 07:47 PM Permalink
You dont need the hadiths. You can refer to any history book. Even the history books written by the british. Or do you want to say that history was never written before Islam ? And what is hadith? its not divine book. Its history as written and told over ages.
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by ammy on Jan 17, 2008 07:40 PM Permalink
Arif, how do you know Hajj is a part of an islamic tradition? Lemme guess...its from HADITHS...right?? So Hadiths are as important islamic source as a KKKoran?? ...Well...In that case Hadiths also say keep beard...dont listen to music...Mullahs are not wrong after all...But YOU are wrong!!
RE:Why fine listening to music
by ammy on Jan 17, 2008 07:12 PM Permalink
Arif, have you done your haj trip? are you going anytime soon?? Just asking...plz reply.
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by ammy on Jan 17, 2008 07:23 PM Permalink
Now Dahling Arif, show me where in Koran does it say that a muslim has to make a trip to haj atleast once in his life time?!Thank you so much for taking the bait!! And yes best wishes for your safe trip!!
RE:Why fine listening to music
by Rajiv on Jan 17, 2008 07:10 PM Permalink
Arif...good that you are moderate muslim....i want all the muslims to think it in that way....
RE:Advise and compulsion
by ammy on Jan 17, 2008 07:14 PM Permalink
where does it say in kkkoran that, you may choose to take the book's advice if you like or leave it??
Men look great in beard thats why it is made compulsary.Its should be made compulsary in india too as it shaving is getting expensive.Sport beard and save few penny....
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by sirajuddin ahmed on Jan 17, 2008 07:13 PM Permalink
if calling an ACE an ACE makes me terrorist.i am happy to be called as terrorist. I know only one thing islam is the only religion which warns the whole world about day of judgement and life hearafter.dos and donts.its difficut to listen because u feel it will be difficult for you to believe in it. Who will wake up in the morning for fazir prayers ?Who will pray five times a day even in office giving a break to office work ? Who will observer Fast for one complete month ?
Who is pay 2.5 % of his saving every year to poors ?
Who will believe in action tooth to tooth,eye to eye.Death to Rape and Death to Death. ? Its really difficult to follow. Who will believe in the fact that this life is shortlived and latter in inevitable. Hitler will be burnt 3 millions times in hell fire for kiining 3 millins jews. its difficult brother . That is why islam is difficult.
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by sirajuddin ahmed on Jan 17, 2008 07:04 PM Permalink
Sorry John.You are talking about bible not Quran.No where in Quran mentions your statement.Show me one.I know gallellio was imprisioned because he went against the teaching of Bible. and proved it wrong.Sorry but please stop abusing God as all of us though differs in faith yet pray same God one and only one.
RE:Men look good in beard !
by Indian on Jan 17, 2008 07:15 PM Permalink
In the verse 79:30 it is stated that the Earth is egg shape. Eggs are spherical. How Muhammad knew this 1400 years ago?
The above verse reads:
Waal-arda baAAda thalika dahaha
It means (word by word):
And the Earth after that was spread.
Hear are the three famous translations.
079.030 YUSUFALI: And the earth, moreover, hath He extended (to a wide expanse); PICKTHAL: And after that He spread the earth, SHAKIR: And the earth, He expanded it after that.
Egg in Arabic is %u201Cal baiza%u201D. There is no similarity between the two words.
In Surah 78: 6 it says:
Alam najAAali al-arda mihadan
Meaning:
Have we not made the earth like a bed?
078.006 YUSUFALI: Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse, PICKTHAL: Have We not made the earth an expanse, SHAKIR: Have We not made the earth an even expanse?
Arabs used to spread their mattresses (beds) on the floor and sleep on it during the night. In the above verse Muhammad is comparing the Earth to a bed (Mihad) which is spread out. Therefore the translation of the three most reliable interpreters of Quran is correct.
I think this %u201Cegg story%u201D is one of the lies of Rashad Khalifa. I heard that from other submitters. Even so, Earth is not like an egg and an egg is not spherical.
Muslims are just desperate to fool themselves and any lie will do.
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by Arif on Jan 17, 2008 07:22 PM Permalink
ok you find the translation of the word egg in arabic. rest you will accept by yourself.
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by Indian on Jan 17, 2008 07:27 PM Permalink
Firstly, those written by Natraj is from Quran, u failed to recognize, secondly, Do u really think Muhammed said "earth is like egg" ???? I was a muslim before, but ur knowledge about Quran is really bad Arif,
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by Arif on Jan 17, 2008 07:02 PM Permalink
Ok we are all undeducated but you are educated. You tell me where is it written in the quran that earth is flat. If you show me I will convert to whatever religion u say.
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by ammy on Jan 17, 2008 07:07 PM Permalink
You show us where in KKKoran does it say earth is a 'round globe'...and i will convert to islam.
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by Arif on Jan 17, 2008 07:12 PM Permalink
No I agree it does not say its a round globe because it is not. It says its egg shaped because it is.
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by ammy on Jan 17, 2008 07:19 PM Permalink
Is egg shape flat? curious!! Becoz KKKoran sez, we have erected four pillars on four corners of the earth!! Four corners of an egg?? interesting... It also sez we have laid this earth flat like a carpet...Egg flat like a carpet!! Im impressed!!
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by Amar Desai on Jan 17, 2008 07:27 PM Permalink
Hey Johnn, convey your points more politely without hurting feelings of others community. if possible atleast spare the first line you wrote. control your aggression.
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by Arif on Jan 17, 2008 07:07 PM Permalink
I will answer your question. Before that I had asked one question. Where is it written the earth if flat ?
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by CaptJackSparrow on Jan 17, 2008 06:48 PM Permalink
Then what happen to hair cutting saloon business? Who will provide them bread ? Your compulsion will finish identity and art of particular community.
RE:Men look good in beard !
by CaptJackSparrow on Jan 17, 2008 06:53 PM Permalink
Tomorrow your new radical group will come and they will bane on cutting hairs and doing massage also. Man there is no limit of compulsion. If you show the little way to jackle then he will finish your whole stable.
RE:Men look good in beard !
by sirajuddin ahmed on Jan 17, 2008 07:00 PM Permalink
i am not talking about any group.i am saying in general god created human being with beard reason man look good in beard.also there are number of scientific benefits. 1.Very less sun burn. 2.Less bacterial effect. 3.No skin cancer. 4.Save morning time and money. 5.Good for foreplay.
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by raj sreedhar on Jan 17, 2008 10:34 PM Permalink
Cutting beard is prohibited . But cutting the head off is fine. Where in quaran says beheading and suside bombing is ok? I thought committing susided is agnist God's will? Is it?
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by Arif on Jan 17, 2008 07:00 PM Permalink
Exactly anybody can stand up and say anything. But it is upto the people to get literate and to expand their thinking beyond the teachings of some stupid mullas. And to judge for themselves whats right for them. I love Islam because it prohibits me from doing so many things earning money on interest. Consuming alcohol etc.
