RE:RE:Ram is a legendary (illustration) hero
by Anil Singh on Jan 11, 2008 09:39 AM Permalink
This is what your Islam tought you about other religion. But u don't forget the fact that even before Mohamd your forfather would have prayed for Lord RAM. This is only old and civilised culture which has been enact today too even after so many envision in past. So Hindu relision/culture in immortal, no one in the univers can destroy it. So pls treat it with respect.
RE:RE:Ram is a legendary (illustration) hero
by sudhir kumar on Jan 11, 2008 09:31 AM Permalink
Fool Your Muhammad had eight wifes, he evenenjoyed his daughter himself, this is not mythology it is real , which has been written my many arab historians
RE:RE:Ram is a legendary (illustration) hero
by Navratan Sethia on Jan 11, 2008 09:39 AM Permalink
we could not expect much more from any muslim . this is islamic culture to dishonour other religious & faith. no new in this. but this situation created hateful position in world agst islam.one day all muslim will hate from islam.
RE:Ram is a legendary (illustration) hero
by sameer bhagwat on Jan 11, 2008 09:06 AM Permalink
At least krishna was mythical....Muhammad,CBUH,was real!!!
RE:RE:Ram is a legendary (illustration) hero
by Comment on Jan 11, 2008 09:31 AM Permalink
Mohammed , dont talk about ur religion which going to be dimished very soon. When US and israelwill bomb cont like iran,iraq,afgah,pakistan. You are so much in no. but so are coward , when US (lion roars) u just hide (like osama) in holes and he destrys iraq,pak(when u ahve bomb ur own masjib), afganisatan. you are stone age poeple.We india will not give u shelter here. be realy for diminiton. Dont waste ur time try to find a hole for you hwer u can hide ur self otherwise US is roaring.
RE:RE:RE:Ram is a legendary (illustration) hero
by sudhir kumar on Jan 11, 2008 09:38 AM Permalink
Osama, mullha Umer and lal masjid mullhas are hiding in burkha
For asking me to get a lesson on comprehension!!! would you call Keith devlin a Idiot for saying As Scientists we are children of Islam".. The fact that our Indian great minds contributed to mathematics doesnt discount the fact that Muslims laid much of the foundations of modern science
RE:@Sameer Bagwat
by sameer bhagwat on Jan 11, 2008 09:09 AM Permalink
What you mention is Devlin's opinion.What I quoted were facts that he mentions.In understanding a piece you need to look at the sum of the parts,with contexts of the parts contributing to your understanding.I repeat,a lesson in comprehension would do you no harm!
RE:RE:@Sameer Bagwat
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 09:01 AM Permalink
Did you check the Times magazine link which I gave that calls "Al-Jazari the father of modern engineering"? It is immaterial that wheher some one thought about something 5000 years ago..did it have a pracical impact on the world's civilization and humanity??That is the question It is in support of these things i refered HP website and MAA website You simply keep ignoring and asking me the same questions..
RE:@Sameer Bagwat
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 09:28 AM Permalink
Sushruta was a great surgeon.I accept that But dont make outlandish arguments without presenting evidence.I you think I sound outlandish,please note,i always back it with the most appropriate academy of the subject by a credible source and World well respected The University of Kansas Medical Center's Museum of the rare books and manuscripts library The real father of modern surgery is Al-bucasis
RE:@Sameer Bagwat
by acommentor on Jan 11, 2008 09:23 AM Permalink
Mr. Gyan Vedi, Is it true that general relativistic concept was mentioned in Vedas? I am a born Hindu, I am not against the religion and don't mistake me.
RE:RE:@Sameer Bagwat
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 09:41 AM Permalink
Gyan vedi- you started about surgey and medicine I refered you to the most prestigious institutions on earth.. Had a look on National libraray of Medicine and University of Kansas Medical center.??
RE:RE:@Sameer Bagwat
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 09:03 AM Permalink
You asked three.Here is a plenty Paul Vallely - The Associate editor of UK's national nespaper-The independent says Muslim inventors changed the world independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article350594.ece
RE:@Sameer Bagwat
by sameer bhagwat on Jan 11, 2008 09:16 AM Permalink
Vedi ji you must let go of this argument.Islam has accepted that knowledge must be acquired and used.Which is a good mindset to have.The only problem with Islam right now is dogmatism and extremism.And since we have ample evidence that in their quest for knowledge they had to tap into the resources of our civilization,we should not keep repeating it for fear of sounding like blowing our own trumpet.I am sure Balaord agrees.
RE:RE:RE:@Sameer Bagwat
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 09:32 AM Permalink
If you have little bit of History of medicine , then you would never require a introduction to this - United States National Library of Museum nlm.nih.gov/ Type "Islamic" in the search text box and go to any link, it has thousands of pages with Specific sections for different disciplines and the contribution of Islam to that. The readers would be surprised to find that all major disciplines of Medicine are found and cherished Muslims during the Golden Age of Islam.
RE:RE:RE:@Sameer Bagwat
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 09:36 AM Permalink
Just check the world's largest Medical manuscriot repository nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/islamic_medical/islamic_12.html
RE:RE:RE:@Sameer Bagwat
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 09:30 AM Permalink
check what i said about surgery. For each of what i said, I backed it up gave evidinces from the most credible and neutral sources.On the other hand you are resorting to ad hominem attacks
RE:@Sameer Bagwat
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 08:58 AM Permalink
Guys- I am doubly proud because we Indians have invented the ZERO,ofcourse the Muslims recorded and made many fundamental mathematical discoveries using that.This simply proves that we can always unite and work for the global good. Only a stupid will deny that Muslims travellers learnt many great things from india-for exmaple Al-biruni.As a Muslim and Indian , it makes me doubly doubly proud I am simply stating and citing many academic links in support of islam to dispell certian myths and prejudice they have about Muslims and Islam
RE:@Sameer Bagwat
by Comment on Jan 11, 2008 09:36 AM Permalink
Dear Balord
Can u asnser a simple question.
1) YOu are so much in no. but still underdevelped econonicallly and militariry. 2) So much afraid of US and Israel whenever they want they bomb and destroys u and you hide ur self. 3) you are not brave to fight infront rather you stab at back by producing terroristes. 4) you fight yourself and destroys. 5) Nonoe of your cournty is prospering, example pakistan,iraq,afganistan. 6) Evne Naster Damus has predicted that this millenium your religino will be vanished.
Please think a lot and do some introspection . you will find answer yourself.
RE:RE:@Sameer Bagwat
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 09:38 AM Permalink
It is true Muslims are in many way no match for the rest of world.This however doesnt discount that it is Islam which laid the foundations of modern science.You have to understand that Muslims countries are still reeling from the effects of British colonizations.
RE:@Sameer Bagwat
by sudhir kumar on Jan 11, 2008 10:03 AM Permalink
Only contribution of Islam to this world is jehad and terrorism.Islam and Koran has made its followers satan and fantics.It is affecting other religions also.To defend themselves from islam other religions have also appected the theory of jehad or crusade and are now becoming fanatics
So called Hindus scientifically enquired into the Nature and discovered a) The science of mathematics (Vedic mathematics which the west is learning now)
b) The science of meditation (Yoga). With this science MIND which is a crowd of thoughts can be made NirVikalpa (meaning with no thoughts). That's when one realizes GOD which is nature.
c) The science of music (Indian classical music). Using sound Vibrations one can vibrate feelings. Feelings are proof of the Soul. Soul is a part and parcel of GOD.
d) The science of dance (Humans become childlike when they start dancing and in doing so they momentarily drop their ego. This practise could help them to reach GOD).
e) The science of taste (masalas)
f) The science of all science namely Rig Veda, Yajur Veda, Athrva Veda, Sama Veda
g) The science of Architecture (Mohenjodaro and Harrapa). Temples with DOMES were a device to converge sound energy to its epicenter. If one sits at the epicenter inside a temple one can use sound resonance which can be used to control MInd.
i) The science of Astrology (Since Universe as a whole is one vibrating entity, studying the effects of constalation and predicting the health of Humans is an ancient art).
j) The science of Astronomy (The sky at night is representation of PAST and the PRESENT).
k) The Science of Sex (Kamasutra)
l) Vedanta is the scientific thought of becoming GOD. (Truth is beyound duality. When Day and night disappear that's where truth starts)
RE:Which religion is better?
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 08:51 AM Permalink
The ancient India has contributed to mathematics..no one denies that. But you guys make some outrageous self eulogy on other fields without presenting any credible evidence back up your claim by giving some non-religions,non-political,academic links..
RE:Which religion is better?
by hindu on Jan 11, 2008 09:00 AM Permalink
You have to read the Indian scriptures to get the evidence. Please read them.For eg the starting point would be to contact scholars in vidya peetas like poorna prajna vidya peeta in Bangalore and such other institutions across the country. You will be astounded at their level of knowledge and intelligence. Do not make comments without enquiring.
Some religions talk about taxes and redistribution of wealth after death. Some religions also talk about spreading their faith and only believing in their version of faith. Some religions talk about messiah and his words..
Hinduism talks about "Super Conciousness". It talks about humans becoming GOD. It talks about nature being realization of GOD. Hence one can worship a COW or a Stone or the Sun in the sky..None of the scriptures talk about CASTEISM. Don't try to equate CASTEISM with Hinduism, it's like equating Seggregation with Christianity.
Muslims unknowingly try to make fun of Hindu IDOL worship. But they don't understand that Hindus found that the visible world (Atoms/molecules of the objects in nature that are being watched by Human eyes which themselves are Atoms and molecules) is representation of GOD. Some Ghostly vibrations forms electrons and protons which in turn forms Atoms and molecules which in turn forms the visible world. GOOD AND BAD things are both realtization of the same GOD including Humans. Hence nothing wrong in worshipping IDOLs which have Human forms.
But Christians and Muslims both are CENTURIES behind in the EVOLUTION of their minds. Muslims and Christains in India have a better chance then the same in OTHER countries..
For HINDUS MUSLIMS AND CHRISTAINS look at this link to find what IS THE EVOLVED THOUGHT PROCESS in the 21'st century...
...they have already done so indirectly by providing quotas to religious minorities. This time they are being upto directly hurting the Hindu sentiments. Along with Baalu and Karunanidhi, Congress too would go out of contention in the next Loksabha election, if it destroys the Sethu or part of it.
RE:Congress would do better if it do not hurt the Hindu sentiments
by sameer bhagwat on Jan 11, 2008 09:12 AM Permalink
oh, and did you notice the christian symbolism in our new coins?
Guys-If some one asks a question on Jesus or for that matter Muhammad in America or Europe,do you think the answerer will abuse some Hindu Gods such as Krishna or Ganesha?No.They will answer the question within the confines of Christianity or Islam why the hell, people here abuse Jesus and Mary when a question on ram Sethu is raised?? Cant you guys answer without abusing?? It simply shows the hollowness of your faith.Period
RE:The Hollowness of rediff forum members
by hindu on Jan 11, 2008 09:05 AM Permalink
No it shows the hollowness of your faiths which constantly endorsed killing of people of other faith. It was intellectually never on par with the ancient faiths such as Hinduism. So it tried to physically wipe it. This is again one more such attempt in the name of development. Forget about history , In bangalore a fly over was being built and it needed that a temple's gopuram and a certain minority religions place of worship's compound and some part of the religious complex need to be demolished. The Hindus voluntarily obliged changed the design and rebuilt the gopuram, but the minority religious leader did not oblige and the flyover had to be redesigned. See the difference now?
RE:The Hollowness of rediff forum members
by sitaram sakthi on Jan 11, 2008 08:10 AM Permalink
Hey dear we hindu dont go about abusing other religions saying that they are pagans heathens and worship devils and satans...
we dont go about propagating that ours is the only truth and others are stupid and idotic...
we dont go for a door to door marketing of our religion..
the reason people start targetting abrahamic religion is because they target hindus and other religons and wants the world to be filled with only christians or islam..
why dont u find any one saying anything about buddism,jainism, sikhism, infact they were offshoots of our religion, still we tolerate them..
this christians specifically should not be shown a soft corner
RE:The Hollowness of rediff forum members
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 08:19 AM Permalink
I certainly disapprove of abusing other Gods..not because I belive in it, but because I dont want to offend. Now we have a question concerning Ram sethu.. This question is not raised by some in Mecca or Vatican.This is raised by Archeological Survey of India and tow CMs of India's state have raised questions on the veracity of Ram's existence.. Now where is christian and Muslim question here?
RE:RE:The Hollowness of rediff forum members
by r patil on Jan 11, 2008 08:28 AM Permalink
balaord UPA is lead by a staunch Roman catholic Sonia ,under whome the affidavit was filled Ambika soni is also a christain.On whome they depend on votes naturally christains and muslim vote bank.Why do DMK talkes like this for Lord Ram,because that makes Indian christains and muslims happy and hence he gets more votes from them.
RE:The Hollowness of rediff forum members
by sijee vincent on Jan 11, 2008 08:51 AM Permalink
dear friends, see the truth before blaiming anybody and religion.
" The project is fine, but the present route is not, as it involves destruction of a bridge believed to have been built by Lord Rama and Muslims and Christians believe it to be Adam's creation."
Unity in diversity is wat we studied in our school. so don't try to destroy that unity with the name of religion. United we stand Divided we fall. with regards CG
RE:The Hollowness of rediff forum members
by PethuruRaj Chelliah on Jan 11, 2008 08:50 AM Permalink
As per our constitution, one can practice, propagate, proclaiam, and prefer any religion. No one can stop this fundamental right. Another thing is most of the christians do not talk ills about others and other religions. Some insane persons in remote corners might have done and hence please do not generalize the total christianity with this view. The Bible or the Christ never support this bashing and it it written that we need to pray earnestly for those who attack or hurt physically or mentally us. Also the question is all about ram sethu and how come christianity comes into picture. Please channelize your discussions to the point or the core of the problem
RE:The Hollowness of rediff forum members
by sitaram sakthi on Jan 11, 2008 09:00 AM Permalink
hey pethuraj,, u doesnt seem to know anything about the history and truth of christianity, except sin and saving from sins...
and u doesnt know anything about hinduism, except caste and discrimination based on caste which was just a social structure existing in the past...
we know enough about christianity, no explanation thanks..
RE:The Hollowness of rediff forum members
by mohammed uddin on Jan 11, 2008 09:02 AM Permalink
"Ram is a legendary (illustration) hero" is told by hindus itself. HAHAHAHAHA. Nice joke.
Ganesha is a man made god for whom they themself brutually kill him(her) by dipping in water. HAHAHAHA
Krishna was a rapist/molester/thief/robber. I think all hindus would be proud if Krishna comes & rapes your mother/sister/daugther/wife.
RE:RE:The Hollowness of rediff forum members
by hindu on Jan 11, 2008 09:08 AM Permalink
You are like a cave man trying to understand rocket science. Of course you still follow the cruel, rapist and terrible ideology conceived 1400 yrs ago. What better can be expected from you
RE:The Hollowness of rediff forum members
by mohammed uddin on Jan 11, 2008 09:11 AM Permalink
so you agree to give your mother to be raped by KRISHNA ?
RE:The Hollowness of rediff forum members
by Sonu Madhavan on Jan 11, 2008 11:19 AM Permalink
and what about u u agree to give ur 6 year daughter to pub. great.
RE:The Hollowness of rediff forum members
by r patil on Jan 11, 2008 08:25 AM Permalink
sada chiddi lets say tommorow NDA comes to power and presents us with all scientific proof that Ram sethu is man-made,will you eleive it. Iam very confident that NO,you will not.There is no reason for us to beleive this govt affidavit either as we all know UPA and all seculars are ANTI-HINDU they are not neutral. So here it is what is good for goose is also good for the gander.
RE:to mullah pandit
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 08:01 AM Permalink
"islam was a barbaric social order for the tribes of arabia, not the civilised nations like india .." Wow.I pity you ignorance!!! See Hewlect Packard Website on a speech given by ex chariman Carly Fiorina to Business Executives hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/minnesota01.html
see the last section of her speech, why she says Islam laid the foundations of Modern world Forbes managazone rated Carly as one of the most powerful woman on earth and Carly is also a one of board of directors of MIT
RE:RE:RE:to mullah pandit
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 08:43 AM Permalink
@Gyan Vedi - I pity your ignorance How many links from credible sources I have given MAA -Mathematical Association of America HP-Hewlect Packard - Chariman's speech to Business excutives (Not to naive idiots) Times Magazine's rating on Modern engineering now what proof you what? More links from prestigious unversities? I can do that as well,but it looks like you never went to collge to know anything about these things!!
RE:to mullah pandit
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 08:48 AM Permalink
I mentioned leonarda to make you think, that a recent phenomena like Nobel prize has no bearing on the scientific legacy of any culture.. For your primitive mind,these logical replies are too much I belive
RE:to mullah pandit
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 08:16 AM Permalink
Gyan vedi, i know many who people here who bluff without any knowledge on History of science. why dont you show me some non-religions and academic source as a proof for your so called "divine consciousness"?? For example see this link An artcile written by Keith devlin, who is the current executive director of standford mathematical society and fellow of american mathematical association and a popular author of great many research books says "Islam kickstarted science" in the prestigious Mathematical Association of America maa.org/devlin/devlin_0708_02.html
RE:RE:to mullah pandit
by QandA on Jan 11, 2008 08:31 AM Permalink
balaord you are wrong.. The science propagated from India to Arabs to Europe to USA and there is ample amount of evidence..
RE:RE:RE:to mullah pandit
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 08:38 AM Permalink
Ample evidence of what?Muslims learnt from many civilizations, because that is the spirit of Islam.No one denies that. But dont make a stupid statement by saying Hindus stored everything in a harddisk and muslims copied it and distributed it. Science doesnt grow that way..
RE:RE:RE:to mullah pandit
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 08:40 AM Permalink
This is a link directly taken from Helect Packard Its ex CEO who was once rated as the most powerful women on earth told Business leaders, f
there is a model civilizzation it is the Islamic Civilization which lasted for 800 years see her views - see the last section of the speech hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/minnesota01.html
RE:to mullah pandit
by sameer bhagwat on Jan 11, 2008 08:29 AM Permalink
I wish you could understand the message of the two articles.The Ottoman empire is cited as an example of shining glory and that too at a time when Europe wasnt as enlightened as it is today.By which way, the only reason the Ottoman empire is cited as a shining example of governance is because of the "caucasian-centric" view of the speaker/writer.The conditions in the region of India then were as good or better than the empire under scrutiny.And,note,that the scholars merely preserved the knowledge developed in India and ancient Greece.We all know the story of the arabs taking the concept of "Zero" to europe.The messenger is being worshipped and the inventor sidelined.I am not entirely discounting the Ottoman empire's achievements.But they are not representative of Islamic philosophy.
RE:RE:to mullah pandit
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 08:35 AM Permalink
Ofcourse we have only a meager 3 muslims scientists among hundreds But these people forget the fact that Nobel prize was established only in the last century at a time Muslims lands are occupied by colonisers. Ask this question to yourself.. How many Nobel prize newton won? How many Leonardo davinci won? How many Bernollie won? you will understand the stupidity of your question
RE:to mullah pandit
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 08:32 AM Permalink
By the way no one disputes that India invented ZERO and I am proud of that.on to the question of contribution either Keith devlin is idiot or great rediff scholrs like you "Gyan Vedi" is idiot.
RE:to mullah pandit
by sameer bhagwat on Jan 11, 2008 08:36 AM Permalink
"By and large, the early mathematical work done by Arabic scholars was predominantly practical, and not very deep -- certainly nothing like the mathematics of the ancient Greeks a thousand years earlier. Nevertheless, the subject appears to have been viewed as important and prestigious. Early Islamic scholars imported to Baghdad books on astronomy and mathematics from India." DEVLIN is not an idiot.You are missing his point .Take a lesson in reading and comprehension.
RE:for muslims who question Ram, here is about Islam's prophet
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 08:07 AM Permalink
"islam was a barbaric social order for the tribes of arabia, not the civilised nations like india .." Wow.I pity you ignorance!!! See Hewlect Packard Website on a speech given by ex chariman Carly Fiorina to Business Executives hp.com/hpinfo/execteam/speeches/fiorina/minnesota01.html
see the last section of her speech, why she says Islam laid the foundations of Modern world Forbes managazone rated Carly as one of the most powerful woman on earth and Carly is also a one of board of directors of MIT
RE:RE:for muslims who question Ram, here is about Islam's prophet
by sadaChiddi on Jan 11, 2008 08:12 AM Permalink
The difference between you and Mr.balaord is he talks with proof by citing sources neutral sources, but you talk of myths and nonsense without any evidence. By the way thanks for the HP website link Mr.Balaord
RE:for muslims who question Ram, here is about Islam's prophet
by r patil on Jan 11, 2008 08:33 AM Permalink
How do know that ballord posted neutral sourses and not a paid islam appologists ?Anyway buddhist,jains sciptutre also talkes about Lord Ram,so also mahabharat which was written by different athor in different times.Yadavs who have mentained their history to be yadu vanshis have also maintained history that king sagara(ram's ancestor ) had killed many yadavs from Aunha region before comming to thore.This part regarding yadavs is also mentioned in Raghu vamshi(history of Ram's ancestors)
RE:for muslims who question Ram, here is about Islam's prophet
by sadaChiddi on Jan 11, 2008 08:10 AM Permalink
If some one skins you RSS DOGS alive for claiming exclusive ownership for our India, only then the India will truly be global power!!! What the hell you think India is?Is this for you dogs alone? Why cant I practice Christainity??dont I have the right to practice what i think is correct?? I am the son of this soil!!!and India is my motherland,I dont need any certification from you RSS dogs!!!
RE:for muslims who question Ram, here is about Islam's prophet
by QandA on Jan 11, 2008 08:36 AM Permalink
I think you are the biggest fool.. Islam is an open enemy, Christains use advance mass opinion manipulation techiniques along with money to acheive their goals... Your convent school was one of the techniques used to convert the whole of Kerela for the last 50 years.. Yes Kerela was systematically converetd by foreign chriatain money.. I will take Lungi anytime above Christains..
RE:for muslims who question Ram, here is about Islam's prophet
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 08:26 AM Permalink
Gyan Vedi- I think you stop using alogorthims or for that matter any modern enginerring devices?do you know why?because It is Muslim civilization which pioneered these things.. see times magazine and why it says the Muslim Al-jazari is the father of modern engineering
I am equally appreciative of great Minds like Aryabhtta or Bhaskara from India and makes me proud as an Indian.Vedi-I think it is time you read some science history books before embarking on serious debates
RE:RE:for muslims who question Ram, here is about Islam's prophet
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 08:28 AM Permalink
"ISLAM IS A DISRUPTIVE RELIGION" - according to You All scientits are children of Islam accoriding to Keith devlin-The executive director of standfornd and a fellow of American Mathematical Association see who is keith devlin stanford.edu/~kdevlin/ and what he says in MAA maa.org/devlin/devlin_0708_02.html
RE:RE:RE:for muslims who question Ram, here is about Islam's prophet
by r patil on Jan 11, 2008 08:37 AM Permalink
balaord the algebra founder though his name is islamic non of the mathematicians were beleivers,here is the difference.In hindusism beleiver did all the maths,ayurveda,astrology for the sake of advancement of the accurate vedic rituals not for secular use ,at least at the start.Like the NASA does everything with the intension to help space science,which ater the same technologhy is used by others to improve day to day life with those resarch itself.
RE:for muslims who question Ram, here is about Islam's prophet
by Rama Krishna. S Gunturu on Jan 11, 2008 08:44 AM Permalink
Response to Mr.sadaChiddi:
Dogs bark and chase thieves and robbers. No wonder RSS dogs barks at the cultural robbers and thugs.
