Have you ever heard of Nature magazine??If you have ever done any decent research then you will understand a some one's paper published in Nature is the culmination and dream of many scientits Now see why nature Magazine says -Muslims laid the foundation of Modern science. Do you guys this is a speech given on western citadel Vatica that too on a Pontifical ceremony by Italian Maurizio IACCARINO, Assistant Director-General for Natural Sciences UNESCO Nature Magazine link nature.com/embor/journal/v4/n3/full/embor781.html about Maurizio IACCARINO unesco.org/science/adgs_sc.shtml#iaccarino
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by TOOLS BANGALORE on Jan 11, 2008 12:09 PM Permalink
if srabs are so great and sintifically advanced why they are licking US boots to drill their oil wells and get royalty only.instead they would have done on their own. these muslims hate America and still use their products.RSS never hate America they practice patriatism. Muslims hate america. let these Muslims hate american products and show their true love towards Allah.
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by chakra Gudipati on Jan 11, 2008 10:14 AM Permalink
@balaord, Havn't you learnt how to read english? or is it just the inherent tendency of your folk to twist everything to suit your interests??? Nowhere in the article is it mentioned that Muslims laid the foundation of modern science. The statement you are referring to is as follows and i quote.. "But the foundations of modern science were laid long before this time, and were particularly influenced by Islamic civilization. The Muslims were the leading scholars between the seventh and fifteenth centuries, and were the heirs of the scientific traditions of Greece, India and Persia"
They were the "heirs" of scientific traditions. which means muslims alrady got the necessary knowledge from the great civilizations mentioned above and razed them to the ground, branded everything as islamic and lo and behold!!!1 we have a new science...Its the basics Stupid..
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by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 10:18 AM Permalink
what is the meaning of "they were particularly influenced by Islamic civilization"?? Guys this speech is given on the pontifical academy and dont expect the speaker to make grand statements Let me tell you one thing.Muslims learnt from Hindus,Greek and persians.I dont deny this This is the spirit of Islam and thats how different civilizational greats were fused together..
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by vikas pandey on Jan 11, 2008 11:57 AM Permalink
Its true that the west knew the knowledge of science from the Middle east countries but the truth is that the knowledge is transfered from India to west through the middle east. The number system which we r using today are called Indo arabic numrals and also the so called pythagorus theorem is first proved by an indian 'Bodhyan'. Also araybhatt was the first person who told that earth revolves around the sun.He also found out the distance between earth and sun.He had discribed all this his book.Also the value of pie is first given by indian.There are many instances of indian history from which we can imagine the how strong they r in science n maths. Trignometry,surgery and many other things were there in indian text. Chankya was called the first economist in the world history charak sanhita written by charak is having knowledge of medical science. So we can not say that Indian were anywhere ingnorent in science n maths with there contemporaries, even they were way ahead of them.
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by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 10:08 AM Permalink
I am proud thousand times as a Indian who have the legacy of great inventions like Number System,Zero or great mathematical miracles such as solving quadratic equations. I will also say , you bigots know nothing about Islam except hate.The recent events are not representtaive of my faith thats why i refered umpteen resources like HP,MAA,Nature Magazine and so many other credible universities. The fact that Muslims learn t many think from India doesn't discount the spirit of Islam which infused that inquisitiveness which made the foundations of modern science..
no scientific evidence to how vedas came into existence, but they are there and spring source of indian culture and spirituvality. one may not know vedas but we adore and venrate follow essence of it . similar is the case of ramsetu and hindus belives it to built by ram. it has become prestege for atheists like karunanidhi and balu and congress is falling into its trap l
You said "if u want to proof that islam with its primordal methods was a fountainhead of civilsation .... i can only smirk and the whole world with me will do so !! " My reply to you on what world thinks Washington Post newsweek.washingtonpost.com/onfaith/guestvoices/2007/10/how_the_muslims_saved_the_west.html
Read the book writing by a US diplomat and forwarded by Jimmy Carter-The Nobel prize winning US president
RE:@Vedi
by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 10:04 AM Permalink
you can come up with thousand different stories of Muslims wounding India.Muslims always respected India for some of its great minds. But you bigots dont know how much fundamental discoveries Muslims made.. One great fundamental change is the smashing of concepts which gave divinity and revered to objects such as MOON
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by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 10:24 AM Permalink
How many Muslim noble laurates are today Of course only 3 (Excluding peace prize) This is a applaing number given the hundreds of Nobel prize winners But these people forget the fact that Nobel prize was established only in the last century at a time Muslims lands are occupied by colonisers. Have you forgotten India produced only a single a noble laureate for science (exclduing the niece of CV Raman) in those years? what you want to call Indians then? Unedcucated just because there are no sufficent nobel prize winners? How many Nobel prize newton won? How many Leonardo davinci won? How many Bernollie won?
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by cupid on Jan 11, 2008 10:16 AM Permalink
@balaord still u lack basic understanding of Hinduism ....every actions in Hinduism is intertwined with science and nature ....
my ancestors were not fools to say that Moon and Son are god ,but rather they understood how those celestial objects can be used to welfare of human beings ..
for example ,Surya Namaskaram (preying to Sun in early morning ) ..they understood that at early morning the rays of Sun had a benefical impact on Humans .....
if asked to do it regularly ,none will obey ..so they brought all this into to the realms of Religion and spirituality ...... i can keep on saying abt that ....
understand -HINDUSIM is a life science and way of life style ...and we Hindu's were masters of astronomy .....
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by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 10:26 AM Permalink
Guys - Back it with evidence from a neutral source..Dont give me some rubbish blogs as a proof. havent you seen that I always given a link from a credible academy? It is true great mindss liked here in India and I am proud of that as a Indian.But get over this obsession with vedic myth which is nothing but giberrish. No science historian worth his salt said anything about these things..
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by balaord on Jan 11, 2008 09:50 AM Permalink
what Times Magazine thinks - Muslim Al-Jazari is the father of Modern engineering time.com/time/specials/2007/article/0,28804,1677329_1677708_1677862,00.html
RE:how dare that mohammed uddin insult hindu gods?
by Akram on Jan 11, 2008 10:04 AM Permalink
please go through proper publications not the articles written by your mentors in RSS family.
i dont want to hurt the feelings of common Hindus, but since you have written some facts i just wondering how come these things are true.
Dasrath father of ram had 60,000 concubines, he is the father of god.
In mahabharth Kundi gives birth to Son sired by sun god with kavash,kundals.
Dhiroupathi was married to five males i.e. Pandavas.
where as the birth of Thirdhrashtra,and others were sired by Munees for continuing the dynasty.
the world dont need your certification for the scientific basis of Islam & quran.
there is no senseless qurbani, it is to strengthen the bond between the almighty and devotee. commensurating the readiness act of Prophet Abraham to sacrifice his son on receiving orders from god.
what proof you will produce that your father has sired you.
islam is curse dont import crude from the nations with curse and show your hatred towards them in this way. NO GUTS
I am not against the idea of Sethusamudram project. It does not matter to me whether Ram or Ravan or any other person built the Ram Sethu. However, I think the Govt has to consult oceanographers, Tsunami experts and marine scientists before going ahead on this project. Not the Archeological survey of India or religious groups. How many people have really seen the Ram Sethu ? Sixty years ago as a seven year old, on a pilgrimage trip with some relatives to Dhanushkodi, I traveled on a train on the Pamban Bridge. A lady traveling on the train pointed out the --Ramar kattiya palam-- to all the children and we saw below the bridge, under about 10 ft of clear water, huge blocks of stone in perfect geometric shapes (rectangular and square).These were certainly man made. Nature does not produce such geometric shapes. The disastrous cyclone of 1964 ( or was it a Tsunami) washed away the bridge and a train load of passengers and probably deposited huge amounts of sand or marine materials on those stones and may be that is why one can not see the geometric shapes today.
The Ram Sethu was not built by monkeys.These were humans similar to Australoids and were strong and well built with very dark complexions because of exposure to the harsh sun in the south. They were mainly meat eaters and probably had big upper teeth and must have looked different from Shri Ram%u2019s men who came from the north. Later day story tellers depicted them as Vanaras or monkeys and several generations of artists drew faces to look like monkeys. Like that of Shri Hanuman. It is like Harbajjan calling Symonds a monkey. One should read Carl Sagan%u2019s explanation on Evolution specially about the Samurai Crabs and also to know how facts get corrupted over a long period of time
I agree with the Government of India. It is not man-made! It is made by Lord Rama, the Venerated God of the Hindus. That is why Hindus want the project to be abandoned. If the Government is truly secular, they will listen to the crores of Hindus and abandon the project or find an alternative route. Even the environmentalists are against the project. The Government should give up its adamant approach and relent.
We have the habit of accepting only if supported by evidence or if its proved. So even thoug something is true we remain ignorant today if not proved and tomorrow if its proved we accept it. This has happened in mnay cases. As of now probably there are no hard core evidences which proves that Ram sethu was man made. But this Ramsethu finds a mention in our epics...so there is a possibility that it might be proven that it is man made if not today bu few years hence. So why destroy it. For that matter of fact no religious history be it any religion can be proven by facts.
For Hindus Ram is not just a Godly figure..he embodies everything that a human being shld be. Today if we can call Hindusim a tolerant religion and Indians tolerant to many invasions and the fact tht we are still secular it is because of what we have learnt from Lord Rams life and Ramayana.
So it makes little sense to destroy something when there will not be much benefit out of something. PLEASE THINK LEADERS
