RE:How much people know about Islam and Muslims?
by balaord on Jan 05, 2008 10:34 AM Permalink
Robert Kilroy-Silk was sacked from BBC show and zxed from Sunday express after exposing his ignorance of world history.Perphaps there is a lesson for many of the psuedo intellectuals who clamour for freedom of expression to abuse Islam
RE:How much people know about Islam and Muslims?
by balaord on Jan 05, 2008 10:33 AM Permalink
This is only part of the story. See how UK's Guardian newsmagazine responded to this guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1123787,00.html
Even the so called intellectuals are actually ignorant bigots!!No wonder rediff readers are abusing islam
Where is all muslim died when painter Mr. Husein draw draw dirty picture of Hindu God? Why no any Muslim and Muslim orgaisation react against activity of Husein? Why any Muslim not release fatva agaist him?
When hindu react against the husein, then Congress and Muslim talking about democracy.
RE:Double standard of Muslim
by Sami on Jan 05, 2008 11:00 AM Permalink
drwing the pictures of humans animals is forbidden in islam. can you name one muslim scholar who came in support of MF husein? My opinion is this. people who have immoral habits only draw such pictures. I am muslim i condemn MF. Huseins pictures.
You just review the list of people who supported him. you can not find a muslim there.
RE:Double standard of Muslim
by sanjiv goyal on Jan 05, 2008 12:33 PM Permalink
list may not have your name ,but all secularists are crying like made animals for M.F.Hussain who is unfaithful to India his mother country by abusing her culture drawing naked drwaings of Hindu Gods & Godess ,can he draw a single such drawing of Mohammad
RE:Double standard of Muslim
by Indian on Jan 05, 2008 10:37 AM Permalink
What's new in that? Mussies remain mussies. No change in that. It is the hindus who have to amend themselves to become more strong
RE:Double standard of Muslim
by shaji tabor on Jan 05, 2008 10:59 AM Permalink
Every secularist will denounce MF Hussain for hurting Hindu sentiments,and not entertain Taslim for eating indian money which must be utlised for the poor hungry indians which incldes hindus,muslims,sikhs and all other religions
RE:Double standard of Muslim
by shaji tabor on Jan 05, 2008 11:00 AM Permalink
Every secularist will denounce MF Hussain for hurting Hindu sentiments,and not entertain Taslim for eating indian money which must be utlised for the poor hungry indians which incldes hindus,muslims,sikhs and all other religions
RE:Double standard of Muslim
by sanjiv goyal on Jan 05, 2008 12:40 PM Permalink
are you showing it on streets just like against Taslima in Calcutta ,against Bush in Delhi and elsewhere ,why are not are burning every thing as we have seen in Calcutta or attacking with AK-47 & bombs as seen in Hyderabad,Akshardha,Varanasi,Rampur & always J & K
RE:Double standard of Muslim
by shaan on Jan 05, 2008 11:12 AM Permalink
We were there with you all the time. watching you and your actions.
- No Muslims organization supported M.F. Hussein for what he has done with your goddesses. Since, we knows the sensitivity of your emotions attached to the religion. No Muslims backed him. We dont believe in critisicizing non-believers, we help them to come up as believer in God and his greatness.
- We should Muslim release fatwa. Your Mr. Thackeray has already released it, on which you acted upon.
- I dont know about Congress. because we are not liable for what congress speaks. Its not a Muslim party. I remember, How Bhagalpur Riots has been supported by Congress in 1984. As I said Muslim never supported Hussein%u2019s doing. We never support wrong doers in principle as Islam and Islamic Scripture never allow wrong doers. Islam never support a gambler whether its been played by a poor man or a king in a courtyard. Learn Islam if you really wished to be on the right path.
Question: How will you define freedom of expression in India? Answer: It is the right of M. F. Hussain to abuse Hindu sentiments. Kids you should also know its limits. When you try to abuse Islam it is called Hurting sentiments. So, Taslima Nasreen should be punished and M.F. Hussain should be rewarded. Question: How do you show your secular credential Answer: By being silent on Taslima issue and crying out loud when someone say anything about M.F. Hussain
RE:Question and Answer
by Arif on Jan 05, 2008 10:46 AM Permalink
Dear brother Abhinav, I will convert to hinduism if you prove that the prophet married his daughter in law. Can you tell me the name of his son and his mother ? Trust me I will give up my religion if you can prove that.
RE:RE:RE:Question and Answer
by Sudhir Dixit on Jan 05, 2008 11:28 AM Permalink
why u dont reply to actual query? why dont u change kuran as time has got changed and its not 6th century.
RE:Question and Answer
by Arif on Jan 05, 2008 11:21 AM Permalink
Well brother Sudhir. You and I have the same blood. I might not agree with the process of you worship but I respect your feelings. So I will never abuse you. Secondly, the prophet took care of Zaid. So he was son like and there was no blood relation between them.
RE:Question and Answer
by Sudhir Dixit on Jan 05, 2008 11:13 AM Permalink
arif, u guys will go on and on. atleast read kuran & hadiths whom u consider as final word. u cant keep ur word and will continue to argue. but hats off to u for truly believing in ur religion that never ever believe other persons even if they are true. (you are now saying that adopted son is not son in actual manner) In this way kuran was written 1400 years ago so it needs to be chaged for today. now dont say that its the final word of allah because allah existed even before and he can not practice to come to ultimate truth.
RE:Question and Answer
by Sudhir Dixit on Jan 05, 2008 11:00 AM Permalink
daughter in law-Zainab Bint Jahsh Son: Zaid Ibn Muhammad (adopted son so for making marriage a fit case he denounce adoption) Shall i tell u the hadith as well?
RE:RE:Question and Answer
by Arif on Jan 05, 2008 11:05 AM Permalink
So there was no blood relation between the prophet and Zaid. Correct me if I am wrong :-)
RE:Question and Answer
by Arif on Jan 05, 2008 11:04 AM Permalink
So you accept he was not his son ? Right ? Till now you said he was his son :-) now you say he was his adopted son!!! Can you please specify the adoption laws existing at that time? Atleast you have come down from son to son like :-) good.
RE:RE:Question and Answer
by balaord on Jan 05, 2008 11:08 AM Permalink
Just because some one thinks or some one says thats some one is a SON doesnt make himself a SON!!!An adopted SON is not a SON.Islam has smashed all man made myths and relationships by sanctionicing this marriage..The same holds for any such "adopted" relationship.These relationships only is in the minds of people and not a relaity!!!
RE:RE:Question and Answer
by Sudhir Dixit on Jan 05, 2008 11:17 AM Permalink
yes mr arif and mr balaord , u have smashed all relationships. thats why u r true followers of islam. thats why islam is not a religion but a jungle law- perhaps i m making a mistake by comparing u with animals because i believe even animals dont believe in in cest
RE:Question and Answer
by balaord on Jan 05, 2008 11:07 AM Permalink
Just because some one thinks or some one says thats some one is a daugher doesnt make herself a daughter!!!An adopted daughter is not a Daughter.Islam has smashed all man made myths and relationships by sanctionicing this marriage..
RE:RE:RE:Question and Answer
by Arif on Jan 05, 2008 11:11 AM Permalink
Dear brother Aditya, I know my religion :-) I know the prophet and Zaid did not have any blood relation. This has been accepted by your friends on this board :-) So when there was no blood relation what wrong in what the prophet did ?
RE:RE:RE:RE:Question and Answer
by Sudhir Dixit on Jan 05, 2008 11:21 AM Permalink
we accept whatever is true but u guys will just continue to argue even the truth. now say even ayesh was a adult when she got married but not a 6 year toddler.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Question and Answer
by Arif on Jan 05, 2008 11:25 AM Permalink
There are varying estimates of Ayeshas age. I can give you references from the ancient religious books that can put Ayeshas age around 15. So you can believe what you like to :-). Will muslims love the prophet less ? No. We know about him, we know how he single handedly took us out of ignorance towards light. The political realities of the world will keep on changing. Somtimes x will be in power and sometime y will be in power. But God will remain one and my faith in God will remain one.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Question and Answer
by Sudhir Dixit on Jan 05, 2008 11:34 AM Permalink
i dont sa that ur faith in God should be diminshed,it should be maximum at all the times. but change according to time and forgive for saying but muhammad was not ahuman at all leave alone perfect human(dont claim that he is prophet) for ur information it is written in Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64 that ayesh was 6 six years old. atleast be true to urself.
RE:Question and Answer
by Sudhir Dixit on Jan 05, 2008 01:04 PM Permalink
This is the problem. U urself decide what is suitable and what is not? when questions were raised on hadiths then u say it was compiled after the death of muhammad. atleast accept the truths written in hadiths because i can assume that u will not keep ur word of changing ur religion!
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:Question and Answer
by Arif on Jan 05, 2008 11:37 AM Permalink
When was Sahih Bukhari compiled ? Do you know how many years after the demise of the prophet. Do you know that there are many hadith in Sahih Bukhari that are not considered to be authentic because they do not corroborate with the quran.
RE:Question and Answer
by shaji tabor on Jan 05, 2008 10:29 AM Permalink
Every secularist will denounce MF Hussain for hurting Hindu sentiments,and not entertain Taslim for eating indian money which must be utlised for the poor hungry indians which incldes hindus,muslims,sikhs and all other religions
So many people are chanting Taslima's name in TV chanels, news papers, web sites, everywhere. We beleive in democracy, we are Indian. But my friends, can someone explain me what do the words 'freedom of expression' means ? Does it mean that I can use abusive words, slangs, lies against anybody whenever I want ? Expressing of opinion and abusing is not the same thing. Would not you mind if someone uses abusive words against your father or mother. If the freedom of expression means, you are not supposed to react, simply keep your mouth shut and digest even if some one is abusing your father or mother or sister or brother or your friend, then I am sorry to say, there is some problem with the word democracy. Muhammad (PBUH) is much more than one's own parents to the Muslims. Why you never try to understand the feeling of Muslims when she abuses Muhammad (PBUH) ? There are millions of writers in Bengal, why none of those are having such kind of problem as she is having ?
RE:Freedom of Expression!!
by sanjiv goyal on Jan 05, 2008 12:55 PM Permalink
have you read Taslima's books ,she has only shown the mirror to secuarists by depiction of state of Hindus in Bangladesh & true face of the so called great religion of world i.e. Islam Now your feelings are hurted by it,then our feelings are also hurted when hindus are killed by muslim butchers in Kashimir & all over India,Do you know more than centuries old temples in Kashmir are destroyed & their properties pounced by the Secular(Muslim) Govt Of Kashmir officially (you can confirm it from Chief minister G.N.Azad ,who is also supporting it in the name of secularisam)
RE:Freedom of Expression!!
by LOTUS on Jan 05, 2008 10:53 AM Permalink
PBUH MEANS 'PEACE BE UPON HIM'. EVERY MUSLIM MANDATORILY SPEAKS THIS SUFFIX AFTER THE PROPHET'S NAME.
JUST LIKE HINDUS CHANT IN THEIR PRAYERS - "SHANTI PRITHVI " THAT IS 'PEACE BE UPON THIS EARTH.
RE:Freedom of Expression!!
by Netflix on Jan 05, 2008 10:30 AM Permalink
Because freedom of speech is more basic human right than anything else. Today you will silence people on the name of religion tomorrow it will be something else. I consider my birth right to criticize any book written by anyone. Be it Gita, Koran or Bible. You can disagree with my criticism but you have no right to threaten me.
Mainstream Congress leaders, low level activists nobody today for people. They have no business than America. Inflation, unemployment, loot, rape, killing, everything is going on... In inflation everything gets more valuable except money.
Taslima wrote about the sufferings of women in Islamic society and she became villaing for vote-bank politicians of India. I wonder why socalled human and woman right activists are shying away from Taslima while they are very vocal in other cases.
RE:Taslima exposed the pseudos
by shaji tabor on Jan 05, 2008 10:02 AM Permalink
Artists dont have any special right to create law and order problems in the society,wheather it is Taslima or MF Hussain
RE:Taslima exposed the pseudos
by Ramu on Jan 05, 2008 10:14 AM Permalink
Artist are common people and as any common man they have a right to express there feelings in a democratic country. You_Jehadis don't have go back to Laden_is_tan or in Gujrat to live with Hindu_murderers
RE:Taslima exposed the pseudos
by shaji tabor on Jan 05, 2008 10:24 AM Permalink
Accepeted,now she is inside house, cant go outside.Let she go to Rich christain European countries and abuse,Christ,Mary,Rama,Krishan,Islam,Mohammed etcetc.they will give Honarary doctarates and some stupid European chrisitain moron will propose to her also.Who cares?
RE:Taslima exposed the pseudos
by Dharmazi Sundar Shete on Jan 05, 2008 10:31 AM Permalink
right said Tabor...!!! we dont want to read her books...!!!!
