@Junaid is the typical example of anti-nationalist thinking . He eats Indian food and be loyal to anti-indian interests. I do not think he follows his religion in right way since I know Islam is one of the best religion and it can not teach such things
RE:Typical Example
by junaid on Jan 06, 2008 05:48 PM Permalink
You are right I am not a believer of any religion. I just believe in the freedom of people to decide what they want. I believe the right to self-determination, which incidently gives India a claim to exist as a state. It helped them to get out of the British imperialism. I know neither Islam nor Hinduism.
RE:Typical Example
by manishauraval on Jan 06, 2008 05:57 PM Permalink
If I take your theory of right to self determination- What is your opinion abt Pundits deciding to keep Jammu as it is. Only Valley area can not have right to determine
Most probably either you have not read history or you are trying to twist facts. Let me tell you one thing "Sarfaroshi ki tamanna ab hamare dil mein hai, dekhna hai jor kitna baju-e katil mein hain" !! Your abusive words show that you are a frustrated person. Dont try to put foolish messages.
RE:@Junaid
by Ridhi Dhar on Jan 06, 2008 06:05 PM Permalink
see srinivas hes a kashmiri and knows indian history.wish he had read the complete jammu n kashmir history and was aware of facts.....just loosing....
RE:@Junaid
by junaid on Jan 06, 2008 06:19 PM Permalink
Srinivas and Ridhi, which history have you read? The one which was changed when BJP was in power. If you have really read any book on Kashmir please tell me. I want to read it too.
RE:time
by Sunil Kumar on Jan 06, 2008 05:44 PM Permalink
Why you are trying to break BJP. Let the BJP come to power on its own, things will automatically change. If BJP comes to power, I think Narendra Modi would be made home minister.
What happens to the lies propaganda machinery ?? Like NDTV, CNN IBN, Times Now, Teestha aka Javed, Shabna aur Javed, Prannoy Roy, Arundhati, Karats, Kachori aka yechuri, Amir ????
Only people who are born and brought up playing in Indian soil and eating Indian food will feel insulted of such things . Sonia Gandhi is not at a fault . She may feel same for Italy. Why do we Indians tolerate such party ?
who tolerating ? but pl note , we educated ppl have less contribution to elect Govt Ruling party as there are many poor uneducated ppl in india , who can not think in deep and can throw vote to any one by any reason ...
And Vote bank politics is also there by congress ...
so no option ...
congress will reamain in power continuously as society is divided in many parts but anti-nationals are united very well with huge money support ...
Panchkula Afternoon, 5pm, Sunday , Jan 6, 2008 The Islamic Jehad seems to come to Valley in several encapsulated forms ..the Terrorists and Dukhtare -Millat are just one , the others forms are of Hurriyat as encored by Bhattas ,Gilanis and now PDP's Hamid Karra asking for a separate currency for JK. Let us see , the Sheikh Abdulla , Mahbooba and PDP leader Mufti Sayyed define this as an exercise in glorifying secular Kashmiriyat. All the publicist from Mumbai , Jammu ,NewDelhi and Marxists stragglers have to show how they would deal with blood-spilling Terrorists and Ideological Sheikhs of the Valley with their desire to be with Indian secular Republic rather than with Nizam-e -Mustafa as spelt out by Lal Masjid in Rawalpindi and Islamabad.D. Goel
thats why , Congress and CPM are in wish to change history ... they wish to destroy Nationalist thinking which will / can give boosting to new generation.
so congress , CPM wish to press RSS / BJP / MODI / VHP / BAJRANg DAL ...
so that they can do any thing as they wish to get power and money ...
See CPM Vrinda karat was playing politics against BABA RAMDEV YOGA GURU ..as he is boosting ppl and hindu religion ...but she run away due to ppl's angry reactions ...
Congress, CPM combination is worst and doing anti-hindu actions continuously ...see history ...
RE:i hate nazis and fascists
by on Jan 06, 2008 05:54 PM Permalink
I think so called secular parties of India are more interested in minority votes rather than their real upliftment or benefit. Coming to Junaid's comment...on Hindus destroying Buddhists....shows lack of historical knowledge or the same was commented purposefully. I am not aware of a Muslim Country which is Secular. Think of India if the Majority population was Muslims would it be a Secular Country? I bet it would not have been. Take the example of Kashmir itself there are demands for implementing Shariat law....as simple as that.
RE:i hate nazis and fascists
by on Jan 06, 2008 06:56 PM Permalink
I know you would come up with that answer. But why not Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, Bangladesh,Quatar, Oman,Brunei,Indonesi....and many other countries....why so much of intolerance towards other religions...after all every one is a human being...believing god in his own way....what is your reaction to Taliban demolishing the age old Buddha statues in bamiyan? is there any meaning in it? why followers of every other religion were told to keep flags atop their houses? Can you tell why mosques are built very next to the existing temples......if you visit Qutubminar ..you can cearly see a temple demolished...and finally you are able to say so many things about india...bcos india is really a wonderful country with freedom of speech....i wonder if a Hindu can utter such words in pakistan.....by this time a fatwa would have been released ....
RE:i hate nazis and fascists
by junaid on Jan 06, 2008 05:00 PM Permalink
when you say Kashmir was a Hindu and Buddhist state, it sounds like a joke. Hindus came to power in Kashmir after they destroyed Buddhists. Like in India. Islam spread in Kashmir through peaceful activities of Sufis.
And Kashmir belongs to its people, and not any religion. It is Kashmiris and not Islam and Hinduism who will have Kashmir. In any case what business is it of yours. Aren't you living your life properly in your home. Is any Kashmiri taking your land. They are asking for their own land, and a state, which they will have.
RE:i hate nazis and fascists
by amit s bhatia on Jan 06, 2008 05:06 PM Permalink
mr . juniad i think u forget the country u r born in & kashmir is a part of inida. kashmir belongs to india & all indians, to me & to u if u r an indian.
RE:i hate nazis and fascists
by junaid on Jan 06, 2008 05:15 PM Permalink
Seriously Bhatia ji, I am not Indian. Neither was I born in India. I am a Kashmiri and was born a Kashmiri. Kashmiri does not belong to you. Neither does India belong to me. But you are welcome to visit Kashmir if you like. We will treat you like a cherished guest. We are friends but not brothers. And friends we shall be.
RE:i hate nazis and fascists
by Vishnu on Jan 06, 2008 05:20 PM Permalink
Islam spread in Kashmir through peaceful activities of Sufis - This is the joke of the year
RE:i hate nazis and fascists
by Vijay Shankar on Jan 06, 2008 05:12 PM Permalink
They will not have !.. what about the thousands of Kashmiri pundits the rabid dogs muslims have chased out. These Pundits still have their homes there but locked. This is clear Ethnic clensing.. what people like you talk without any sense of justice and still assume that you'll get support is surprising.
RE:RE:i hate nazis and fascists
by junaid on Jan 06, 2008 05:18 PM Permalink
Indians just use Pandits to cry infront of the international community. What has India done for Pandits. After all Pandits belong to Kashmir. They are our brothers. And they will be treated like that. And they will come back. And that will be a slap on the face of Imperialist India.
RE:i hate nazis and fascists
by PKN on Jan 06, 2008 05:49 PM Permalink
That is what the Mujhiboor Rehman said to Bangaladeshi Hindus in 1971 and Jinnah said to Pakistani Hindus in 1947. We all know what happened. No reason why Pandits should beleive Junaid.
RE:i hate nazis and fascists
by junaid on Jan 06, 2008 05:54 PM Permalink
Kashmir has a history of peaceful coexistence among its people, who in everything but religion are the same. There have been problems of massive nature recently but they are temporary. Pandits have to believe Kashmiri Muslims, and Muslims have to believe Pandits. There is no other way. All other ways will leave them out in the cold. With INDIANs using them as pawns.
RE:RE:RE:i hate nazis and fascists
by Srinivas on Jan 06, 2008 05:21 PM Permalink
Will be treated like that !! How ?? Chase and kill !! A true integration of the state with India is required to make them return.
RE:i hate nazis and fascists
by junaid on Jan 06, 2008 05:29 PM Permalink
Your "True Integration" will make even your timid Wet Khaki Chaddhi Occupation Army scamper of. Pandits will be treated as brothers. Indians forced them out in a conspiracy hatched by Sanghi Jagmohan to give bad name to the Independence movement of Kashmiris.
RE:i hate nazis and fascists
by Sunil Kumar on Jan 06, 2008 05:35 PM Permalink
Mr. Junaidd.... I would not say that India belongs to only Hindus and such and such religion. It belongs to all the people and states it has in its fold. After a long faught independence, we had come to terms with what we had and had started to live with the social fabric provided to us. If you believed that Kashmir was seperate from India, you should have asked the British when they had ruled the country. They were masters of division.
Your saying that Kashmiri people want a seperate state is like asking a persona called India its head seperated (geographically also it looks a personification). Do you think after so many years of living together with a image in the minds, people would sit idle. It is like trying to seperate a child from her mother, a head from the person. No mother can bear a seperate of her child, and no person will think if staying alive with his head severed...
I have only one thing to say Mr. Junaid, you did not bring Kashmir with you when you came and no right to seperate it geographically from the very land you it had been part of. If you are not happy, you people are free to form a group and establish another Kashmir in some barren lands in Antarctica or Arctic circles where you are free to live like Kings.
RE:i hate nazis and fascists
by junaid on Jan 06, 2008 05:45 PM Permalink
Sunil Ji, what do you mean "when you came". I was born in Kashmir. I speak the language of Kashmir. I know its history, and its culture, and I have shared the pain and anguish of my people. And you still think "I came". I am surprised how much Kashmir matters to you. You have nothing to do with it. You don't speak its language or know its customs or rituals. Why should it matter to you.
When you were under British, didn't you want freedom? British also occupied India by trickery, that did not stop the great Mahatma to give a call for freedom. Why should Kashmiris give up. It is their country, the beautiful motherland called Kashmir. If you come their with your weapons you will be treated as enemies, but if you come with no ill will we will treat you like great friends.
The real metaphor is this:
What will you do if someone occupied you in the guise of helping you? When the Hindu Maharaja signed the treaty with India it had no moral force. It is the same as the Nizam of Hyderabad who tried to sign treaty with the Pakistan. But did you accept it at that time. Why should Kashmiris accept a treaty signed by a ruler who was not even the real son of his father?
RE:i hate nazis and fascists
by IndiaWiNS ALL on Jan 06, 2008 06:50 PM Permalink
yes it is also in our homes that terrorist like you come and threaten us.......you have destroyed not only the peace and tranquility of kashmir but also the rest of the nation.
If you are fighting for Kashmir, why do you attack the rest of India.Fight in kashmir. Moreover,if it had not been you guys India would have been much more successful. And you talk about peaceful kashmir,you are a big loser.It is you people who brought in misery to your state. You tell us history,you have no idea,you madrassa educated boy. Had you not kicked ou so many Hindus, and picked up arms to fight Indians,you could have had much better affairs in KAshmir. You must know that you yourself are the misery of Kashmir.Youth like you are not only losers but are devils sons in India.Please give your address,so that police can gun you down
RE:i hate nazis and fascists
by Abdul Khalid on Jan 06, 2008 04:51 PM Permalink
Sorry my friend, though I accept he was bad I dont accept that only Hindus of Sikhs were murdered. Partition was very unfortunate for Muslims too. Please remember Muslims have the same blood and flesh that you have.
Send him to separate country. He does not have integrity with India. How Congress is tolerating such demands. No body raising any voice _ Pseudosecular - Hijadas [ Third Persons?]
RE:Separate Currency
by Sunil Kumar on Jan 06, 2008 04:40 PM Permalink
When a congress president herself is from a seperate country, no wonder then that the people represening this party would would everything seperate...Ha ha ha... We are still under foreign rule, as congress has its grandfathers and fathers emulating the British and passing it as a legacy. God only knows what position our country will have in the eyes of world if this type of dead policy goes on.
But all citizens are not impotent like congress leaders ...
Hindu is a oldest religion which never tried to do any conversion as it is nice religion , created by God itself.
Hindu religion can not be destroyed by any way , by any politics ...
All world must be thinking india , like pakistan , pakistan is having similar leaders which are always in hands of USA and not thinking good for self citizens ...
RE:Separate Currency
by rao bss on Jan 06, 2008 05:01 PM Permalink
Very Unfortunate state of affair protected by the Congress rulers What does Soniajee say for this seperatist mentality Pseudoseculirsim adapted by the congress and CPM is the root cause for all these anti-nationalism It is an insult equal to disrespect to National flag and National Anthem The Minister shoud be made to resign and proscuted without delay before such ugly heads rise Shankar Bellur
RE:Separate Currency
by Joy Suresh on Jan 06, 2008 05:53 PM Permalink
Separate currency is unaccepatable.Is it not same as Thakrey's suggestion separate passport for Mumbai, where was BJP then?
RE:Narendra Modi
by manishauraval on Jan 06, 2008 04:31 PM Permalink
Just wait a little ! Narendra Modi is becoming PM soon and then u see Kashmir terrorist will be having their best of time
RE:RE:RE:Narendra Modi
by rao bss on Jan 06, 2008 05:06 PM Permalink
Narendra Modi should given the PMs post for solving all the problems of the country He should take up Kashmir issue first as PM
RE:Narendra Modi
by manishauraval on Jan 06, 2008 05:22 PM Permalink
He will face that also ! He will come out victrious ! Just wait a little .. he is coming to Kashmir soon ! and then u see how terrorist will have their time !
no any minister can sacked through impotent policies ...
This jammu and kashmir issue problems are due to funny steps by jawaharlal nahru in past ...Indira , rajiv and now Sonia ...all are doing big mistakes and not considering future ...
Remove article 370 which is given to kashmir immediately ...Shoot terrorists at sight ...shoot supporters of terrorists and anti-india programme ...give army full powers to control jammu and kashmir problems ... Suspend J AND K State govt.by article 356. Shoot that man who is asking for seperate currency ...
Any thing good is possible if central govt will have will and self confidence....
ohhh no ...but congress,CPM is in power so nothing can happen as good , they will give "bharat ratna" to that minister and will give more money and powers to J & K ...
oh GOD PL SAVE MY COUNTRY FROM SELFISH mad politicians ...
RE:no one can sacked by impotent policies ...
by rao bss on Jan 06, 2008 05:09 PM Permalink
our people shoud rise revolt and sack congress and CPM first then every thing will be ok Mayavati should not support all these if she wants to retain her CM ship