It is shocking. Some Indians Hindus are blinded by hate of muslims, particularly the educated middle class. Atleast, that is my limited subjective experience. It is not uncommon to find such Indians today. What irks me about this, is the false pride that Indians take in their tolerant culture. There is helluva intolerance in India. Atleast the muslims make qualified statements of tolerance and do not make absolute claims to tolerance. Not that that is any better. But at least the match between speech and actions is closer. They do not claim to be very tolerant and they behaviourally are not quite so. Though disturbing in its own way, it is not hypocritical like the Indian Hindus. It was verily such prejudices between communities that precipitated the partition riots between people who have lived together in the same village for centuries. I have, since forever, dreaded being under Shariah-like rule and its OPEN disenfrachisement of non-muslims. But now, I also dread being under majority facist anti-muslim rule perpetrated by the Hindus. Both are, in essence, the same - hate for the other. Someone did say rightly, that an eye for eye will leave the world blind.
RE:Very Shocking!!
by SAM KIM on Jan 03, 2008 09:28 AM Permalink
it is not ur problem, it is congi's and other pseudo secularists, who have brain washed u people for few votes.
Ultimately u r the looser...They have made u people as slaves for the past 60 years....And if u continue the same attitude of playing in to thier hand...get ready to be in gettos for another half a century...
RE:Very Shocking!!
by Contractor on Jan 03, 2008 09:14 AM Permalink
You guys are just frustrated lot and nothing else. You have not been taught to respect Others and because of people like you we have to speak the same language inspite of we being cultured.
RE:Very Shocking!!
by Rajeev on Jan 03, 2008 09:24 AM Permalink
Mr. Contractor Hindus are not frustrated, it is the Muslim. Who just go to madarsas to get the basic training for Terrorism and ultimately become terrorist. Most of the muslims do not condemn the terrorist attack.
Why Muslims putting pressure on the Government not to hang Afjal Guru? You guys never think about country.
RE:Very Shocking!!
by Sumeer Sharma on Jan 03, 2008 09:37 AM Permalink
You, Mr.Contractor, are welcome to move to a Muslim country and escape your 'Dread'.
RE:Very Shocking!!
by Saurabh Nirantar on Jan 03, 2008 09:33 AM Permalink
In general Hindus are tolerant of those who do not harbor malicious tendencies. Muslims are outside this definition. It's not only in India that muslims are the focus of other communities' ire. Wherever there are muslims to be found, there is conflict and friction. Take Autralia, Thailand, UK, Germany, France etc. These observations suggest that the root cause of the disharmony is in Islam.
RE:ONLY HINDUTVA , UNITED HINDU IDENTITY CAN SAVE THE NATION.
by Contractor on Jan 03, 2008 09:06 AM Permalink
First they came for the Sikhs, and I didn%u2019t speak up, because I wasn%u2019t a Sikh. Then they came for the Muslims, and I didn%u2019t speak up, because I wasn%u2019t a Muslim. Then they came for the Christians, and I didn%u2019t speak up, because I wasn%u2019t a Christian. Then they came for the Communists, and I didn%u2019t speak up, because I wasn%u2019t a Communist. Then they came for the Liberal Hindus, and I didn%u2019t speak up, because I was a conservative Hindu. Then they came for me, and by that time there was no one left to speak up for me.
RE:ONLY HINDUTVA , UNITED HINDU IDENTITY CAN SAVE THE NATION.
by Sumeer Sharma on Jan 03, 2008 09:38 AM Permalink
Amen, may nobody be left to speak up for people like you.
RE:ONLY HINDUTVA , UNITED HINDU IDENTITY CAN SAVE THE NATION.
by Contractor on Jan 03, 2008 09:08 AM Permalink
First they came for hindutva, and I didnt speak up, because I wasnt a hindu. Then they came for the spiritual-hearted, and I didnt speak up, because I wasnt spiritual. Then they came for the agnostics, and I didnt speak up, because I want an agnostic. Then they came for the humanity, and by that time there was no one left to speak for the humane humans.
RE:ONLY HINDUTVA , UNITED HINDU IDENTITY CAN SAVE THE NATION.
by Contractor on Jan 03, 2008 09:22 AM Permalink
Any Hindu with a secular view is a Muslim, what a skewed argument.
Congress is a secular party and not a Muslim party. 95% of its members are Hindus. Even if all Muslims voted for them, they could never come to power as it is the Hindu votes that keep them in power.RSS Goons, Go and find out the stats about the percentage of Hindus that voted for Congress compared to Muslims - hence your point is wrong. One More Myth is That All Minorities Vote For Congress.Infact Even Muslim Votes for BJP in UP & Bihar,BJP's Vice-President is Naqvi,A Muslim who was elected MP from Rampur which is 95% Muslim..Muslims r Voting for BJP but it is less compared to Congress.In UP,Muslim are voting for BSP & SP..In Bihar they are Voting for RJD & JD(U). BJP accusing Congress of Vote-Bank Politics shows their Frustration at the Lose of Power in Delhi..Even Vajpayee Attended Iftar Parties. Even Advani called Jinnah as Secular.Even Advani Went to Ajmer Dargah..
RE:Some Myth!!
by Contractor on Jan 03, 2008 09:29 AM Permalink
However, religion is not the sole dimension that creates minorities. There is ethnicity (look towards North East. Manipuri and Assamese separatists are primarily hindus), language (look at Bangla Desh and Sri Lanka), culture (look at Sri Lanka and Bodos), territoriality and a whole host of other dimensions that will still have minorities. They will still keep asserting their identities.
In my opinion, the solution is to first flush out religious minorities, then proceed to cultural minorities, then get rid of linguistic minorities, then remove ethnic minorities and may be in the end we will be left with a perfect nation!
UPA dips into SC, OBC funds to pay for 'Muslims first' policy
Rajeev Ranjan Roy | New Delhi
In a blatant discrimination, the Centre has reduced the fund allocation for the welfare of Scheduled Castes and Other Backward Classes by Rs 3,000 crore in the 11th Five-Year Plan, but trebled the allocation for the minorities to Rs 1,400 crore per annum against Rs 500 crore.
RE:Gift from Congress
by Anniyan on Jan 03, 2008 09:11 AM Permalink
just simple...don't pay the tax....if they ask about this, just tell them the fact...that ur govt is funding the terrorists...
RE:Gift from Congress
by Indian on Jan 03, 2008 09:39 AM Permalink
Why should we harm the Country by not paying tax. What we can do is just vote out the current Govt. in the next general elections. simple as that.
RE:RE:Gift from Congress
by Contractor on Jan 03, 2008 09:13 AM Permalink
Fascism is on the rise in India. It is not a good sign. It bolsters and gives support to other elements that harbor Nazism in India. Hindutva forces already talk about emulating and replicating Gujarat in other states of India. That%u2019s a sorry state of affairs. What if a majority of Indians vote to kill all the minorities in one stroke, will we accept that mandate? Is law of the land and our constitution subservient to people%u2019s mandate? We have a skewed and distorted view of what it means to be a democracy. Indians have not learned to draw the line between what is acceptable and what is not. Here, in Gujarat, we have blurred those lines. We have legitimized crime that targets certain people based on their identity. The future is bleak. All this economic prosperity is not going to save us. Instead, this prosperity will only fuel such hatred to take it to the next level, where state participates in marginalizing, demonizing and then targeting of certain identities.
RE:RE:Gift from Congress
by Contractor on Jan 03, 2008 09:10 AM Permalink
Yeah! you slur the party that gave you your most momentous event - 1971 dismembering of Pakistan. You glorify nimcompoops who sleep & slumber their way to stumbles. Great People, Great Nation .. You deserve the leadership you get.
RE:It is not Indians or Pakistanis...
by Sumeer Sharma on Jan 03, 2008 09:52 AM Permalink
Mr.Ahmad Nawaz, if what you say is correct, then I wonder why none of the Muslims clergy in India,Malaysia,Indonesia,Pakistan etc. has ever had the courage to call a spade a spade. I have never heard of condemnation of a terrorist strikes - be it 9/11,Bali, Mumbai, Delhi, Pakistan or elsewhere - from any of these so called Ullemas. What ails them? Is it because their moyuths are stuffed with funds from these very Saudis? What is preventing them from getting togethjer and issuing a Fatwa against Jehad i.e. the distorted form that is a pseudonym for terror and mindlerss killings.
RE:It is not Indians or Pakistanis...
by Ahmad Nawaz on Jan 03, 2008 10:59 AM Permalink
Sumeer, That is it, the Saudi influence and funds!!! Ask anyone in Pakistan or any credible real Muslim in India. The infamous Aurengzeb who killed a lot of non-Wahabi Muslims under his rule was one of the believers. Ironically he was also the only Mughal who believed in killing Kafirs (non-believers).
The problem is those moderate Muslims hold back from their anger when they witness the widespread anti-Muslim attitude in india which is pretty obvious on rediff here. Why would any Muslim say anything about terrosrists when they see extremly henuous commenst and acts like what happened in Gujurat for instance. Indina Muslims are called Pakistanis as soem form of insult. But they dont take afront to that rather they feel hey hate us so why should we hate the fanatics who are troubling them. Screw them they say. Any normal human being would. The problem with India is ignorance. Mainly cultural and social ignorance. The problem is not a lack of formal education or poverty believe me. And it is very difficult to get this point across to aperson who has been broght to believe that Hindus have been persecuted by Mughals or something so it is our turn now. BY the same logic and in keeping with this theme People on the other side believe theat Muslism are being persecuted by Hindus so why feel remorse. The problems in India are the exploitation of the psychosocial deficinces and gaps by the self-serving organiations like BJP or VHP.
RE:It is not Indians or Pakistanis...
by Pradeep on Jan 03, 2008 11:19 AM Permalink
i don't know how to prove it, but a majority of hindus don't hate muslims, and we beleive they are a part of India. yes there are disagreements, but i think they can be fixed.
RE:It is not Indians or Pakistanis...
by Pradeep on Jan 03, 2008 08:51 AM Permalink
true or not but they are doing it in the Name of Islam and moderate muslims keep quiet. and the rest of the world believes this silence means acceptance with the radical opinion. one of the solutions is everytime you see someone going to do harm to others in the name of Islam hand him over to the authorities.
In Europe the times when church was dominant are called dark ages. Islam remains frozen in quranic dark ages. These ideologies are symbols of intolerance. They have foreign funding and control the media.
RE:Islamism and Christianism are Totalitarian Evils - Time for All Hindus to Unite and Kick out the Mecca Parivar and Vatican Parivar
by Sahadevan KK on Jan 03, 2008 09:46 AM Permalink
Sangh Parivar goons continuing their naked dance with their victory in Gujarat.
Sangh Parivar rioters attack churches in several towns in Kondhmal district of Orissa on Christmas celebrations. Hindu extremists are increasingly targeting middle class churches in cosmopolitan centers.
Sangh Parivar not believe in Democracy. It's cadres attacked on a big rally of CPI(M) at Jind, Haryana on 26.12.2007. BJP is a communal party, which is dividing people on the basis of religion and caste for gaining political power.
Sangh Parivar earlier attacked Don Bosco students including adivasi, priests and a sister attacked at Vadodara on 19.12.2007.
