RE:Appreciate the police officers!!
by Kaushik Das on Feb 23, 2008 07:58 PM Permalink
of course, when muslims are caught, they are all innocent - all fictitious stories. you guys even lobbied to remove TADA because of the same reason.
RE:RE:Appreciate the police officers!!
by Sameer Bhagwat on Feb 23, 2008 06:34 PM Permalink
Truth, Akal ke Andhe. Dimag gi batti jaloa. Wallah ne tuje bhi indpendent thinking ke liye dimag diya he. Use kar use. Idiot. you may also get killed by such terrorist.
Most muslim in this country are converted hindus.They should accept this simple fact that their ancestors were hindus who forcefully converted to islam.Before they take any pride in thier muslim heritage,u must check themselves in the mirror to know they r no Arab muslims,but decesendants of some poor fated Hindus were tortured by muslim invaders on the edge of sword to convert to islam.
Whether u r muslim living in Rowalpindi ,UP or Dhaka ,never forget u hindu roots.
RE:Muslims or Hindu muslims..?Indian muslims r living a lie....
by santosh satpathy on Feb 23, 2008 06:14 PM Permalink
sami,
forget r our religion,but temples are more than 1000 yrs old.Its not just an argument like urs but a historical fact.Indian culture which essentially a hindu culture(another name is sanatana dharma)as old as 5000yrs,also an historical fact.Its also the cradle of Buddism,jainism later on sikhism.There is no difference between sanatana dharma and hinduism ,which hav many casts & sects inside it.
Yes,hinduism & vedic culture hav gone many changes over the period of time.So is the practices of many sect following hindism.But there is no truth in ur argument that there was separate religion created during Mugal era.
Remember,we use the word Hinduism since its synonymous with Hindu name.But the fact is that the religion that every hindu practices is Sanatana Dharma.
RE:RE:Muslims or Hindu muslims..?Indian muslims r living a lie....
by Sami on Feb 23, 2008 06:25 PM Permalink
is there one temple which says that there was hinduism? how can you say another name as sanatan dharam? does sanathan dharm say that hindu was there? does buddhism or jainism say any where hindu? you must know that the HINDU name was giving by mughals. you did not have a perfect language. until now you can not communicate to a common man in any language without using words ofpersian or arabic language. what language you had to have an authenticated script? lies lies lies. just using majority muscle power you keep on telling that million years and billion years.
RE:Muslims or Hindu muslims..?Indian muslims r living a lie....
by Sami on Feb 23, 2008 07:29 PM Permalink
reply with intellectual arguement. if you can tell what was the language spoken in india before 1000 years you are intellectual. what was the script that was existing before 1000 years then you are intellectual. otherwise your word is for you
RE:RE:RE:Muslims or Hindu muslims..?Indian muslims r living a lie....
by Kaushik Das on Feb 23, 2008 08:16 PM Permalink
sami ji, Hindu name was not given by mughals but by arabs. By that definition, you are also hindu.
Buddha and Jina (Mahaaveera) did not start any religion and so did not Nanak. At different times, since hinduism is an old way of life, time to time it got corrupt and became more symbolic and less realistic. More rituals came into being and were followed blindly. Buddha, Jina and Nanak were reformers who questioned the blind beliefs. Notice that while Nanak refused to wear the janeu because he was not convinced about its worth, today, sikhs wear the kada which is basically the same purpose being served. Thus, when many people became followers of the reformist paths of buddha, jina or nanak, they started considering themselves as separate religions.
The basic teaching of sikhism, hinduism, janism or buddhism is the same with a few stresses changed - for example, buddhism and jainism stress on non-violence.
Well, i don't know what a 'perfect' language is but sanskrit is considered a scientific language. Due to its rigours, it was not the popular language but then again, the language of maths is also not very popular. So is not the programming languages like Java, cobol etc - but for programmers, these are the languages of choice.
arabic and persian came into our dialect because of being ruled by the conquerors who spoke the language.
RE:RE:RE:Muslims or Hindu muslims..?Indian muslims r living a lie....
by Kaushik Das on Feb 23, 2008 08:26 PM Permalink
also, script is difernet from language. For example, when I write 'samskrt', the language used is sanskrit but the script is roman.
Dewanaagaree was the popular script and before that, there was brahmi, etc. Most of Indian scripts are similar to dewanaagaree. I don't understand what you mean by 'authenticated' script.
I also don't understand this question of yours - "what language you had to have an authenticated script?"
Your last comment is going a bit too far. It is actually the minority muscle power that is in existence today. The hindu majority is still peaceful allowing you violent minorities to practise your way of arabic life, even if it inconveniences us. and THAT is what you are taking advantage of, right?
about lies - well, there are more lies in islam like the earth being the centre of universe and the earth being flat - also other things about creation. mohds prophethood itself may be a lie which he used to fool gullible arabs. hinduism is closer to nature and truth. Satyam iwa jayate is a hindu saying, not an arabic one.
RE:RE:Muslims or Hindu muslims..?Indian muslims r living a lie....
by Sami on Feb 23, 2008 06:30 PM Permalink
what is sanathan dharma? do you follow vedas? do follow the teachings of upanishads? then how can you say hinduism and sanathan dharma is same? people killed sanathan dharma once they ignore vedas. one man one wife policy is exiting mangal sutra and cintoor becom wedding day decoration only. vegitarianism? how many hindus practicing? Alcoholism is the major culture in India. everywhere bar and pubs. what is there remaining with you to boast about sanathan dharm?
RE:RE:RE:Muslims or Hindu muslims..?Indian muslims r living a lie....
by Kaushik Das on Feb 23, 2008 08:34 PM Permalink
unlike quran, the vedas and upanishads are guide books, not binding upon us to follow.
Still, many women do put on vermillion / mangalsutra - and it is the spiritual belief in doing so that counts - not the item per se.
vegetarianism is again a guideline for two reasons - 1. the fat content in meat is not suitable to the hot climate but to the cold climate in europe. For the same reason, alcohol is discouraged. 2. having meat makes your body different in terms of hormones and it makes one more aggressive. mohd used this same principle to fill aggression into muslims by making meat compulary. However, in peace, it is not necessary. also, in earlier days, the warriors were not questioned over having meat as they were expected to.
BTW, osama DOES follow quran to the letter. You want to become like him?
RE:RE:RE:Muslims or Hindu muslims..?Indian muslims r living a lie....
by rexberry on Feb 23, 2008 06:48 PM Permalink
@sami there are loopholes in every religion... but understand one thing these religions is not today's creation.... what we feel wrong today maybe it was right at that time... you cant deny it... its applicable for muslims they blindly follow quran... each and every part of quran is good but times have changed and living lifestyle has changed...so not everything is applicable today as per the teachings... forget quran... even bhagwad geetha and bible.. so stop whining about vedas... coz that was written many decades back... and everything written in any of the holy books is not practically possible today..
RE:RE:RE:RE:Muslims or Hindu muslims..?Indian muslims r living a lie....
by Kaushik Das on Feb 23, 2008 08:45 PM Permalink
sami - you mention only the spiritual aspects - no problem, you pray, you keep fast, visit pilgrimage - this is available in all religions.
what about - stoning people to death? killing animals harshly? what about watching TV (imagery is banned)? having alcohol (banned - although all saudis drink)? what about teen talaq? WHat about photography for ID cards (banned)? Why the head-to-toe covering for women? Why can't you protect them otherwise? Why the fear-feeling of 'islam in danger' all the time?
You don't want to worship idols - fine. Why stop others from doing the same? and kill them?
You want to pray - fine. Why stop people from not believing in God and not praying?
You believe in mohd - fine. why go against those who don't? esp so when his life was not exactly noble?
that the book did not change in 1400 years is MORE of a concern.
That it is being MEMORISED by people, most of who don't undertand spirituality, is a concern.
It can be made available without any change - fine. But why would i want to read such an old book that nobody cared to look in for changes?
RE:RE:RE:RE:Muslims or Hindu muslims..?Indian muslims r living a lie....
by Sami on Feb 23, 2008 07:36 PM Permalink
what is practically not possible in Quran you tell. you are asked to have faith in Allah, you are asked to pray Him, you are asked to perfom fasting during the month of ramadhan, you are asked to pay poor man's tax (zakkat). If you can afford you perform Hajj once. what is not practicable? follow the life of Prophet PBUH. The only book living without any changes in 1400 years in its original form is quran. It has been memorised by more than lac people. even if the book is not available it can be reproduce without any change. Is this not a point to ponder.
RE:Muslims or Hindu muslims..?Indian muslims r living a lie....
by MBotha on Feb 23, 2008 04:50 PM Permalink
so what? what were you before you became a hindu?? or your parents or ancestors became hindus??
RE:Muslims or Hindu muslims..?Indian muslims r living a lie....
by Kaushik Das on Feb 23, 2008 08:04 PM Permalink
mr botha, nobody 'became' a hindu. The term hindu refers to those people who lived around sindhu river or beyond it (since this name was given by arabs).
Hindutwa, as a religion, is a pagan religion that admires nature and professes being close to nature and not hurting it. There are also several guidelines about living life in a communion. HIndutwa, as a religion, does not have the concept of proselytisation - so, technically, there is no way for anyone to 'become' a hindu.
try to understand SS's post. He is trying to reason with the muslims that what they are doing to harm indian way of life is not correct because they are simply furthering the cause of arabian islam - which is most likely not suitable to india. Besides, he is also saying that while arabs may pride themselves on islam, Indian muslims cannot really have that pride because their ancestors were most likely converted forcefully. So, actually, they should be ashamed of it rather.
RE:Muslims or Hindu muslims..?Indian muslims r living a lie....
by santosh satpathy on Feb 23, 2008 04:59 PM Permalink
Adamant fool hardy attitude & total belligerence towards facts is main cause of ppl living as muslims in this country remains outsiders all the time.
RE:Muslims or Hindu muslims..?Indian muslims r living a lie....
by MBotha on Feb 23, 2008 05:02 PM Permalink
will that not apply to you too?? if i dont accept your view point do i become fool hardy?
RE:Who is an Islamic Terrorist?
by Sameer Bhagwat on Feb 23, 2008 04:48 PM Permalink
U looser. why r u getting frustated. hv lost u'r ability to think. Become slave of jehadist. Wl not get anything
RE:RE:Who is an Islamic Terrorist?
by Indian Hitler on Feb 23, 2008 04:33 PM Permalink
Relax guys.Dont get into the trap.They want division and when u talk like this,they are succeeding.Anybody who loves India is ours irrespective of religion,and I have seen many muslims more passionate for India than many of our fellow Hindus.Remember Kalam sahab!He has given us all the arsenal to bomb out the pakis.And there are meny more.The bottomline sould be clear.Live in India if u love India,otherwise get out of here before getting kicked out,religion doesnt matter.
RE:Another fabricated story
by rexberry on Feb 23, 2008 04:27 PM Permalink
My point is... why hindus are been targetted... if u have grudge against western world... then attack them we dun have issues... u have ur concerns as iraq and afghanistan been attacked by western world... only for OIL... fight against them... but why hindus and indians... why do our stupid muslims get brainwashed... they get everythin in india.. be it SRK ,Azim premji, abdul kalam... they get the highest respect all opportunities damn everythin... but still there are miscreants who are tryin to kill innocents... if u think ur a moderate muslim... then go against these miscreants... trust me if u do that... there will b no RSS no VHP comin in between... they will loose there identity as moderate muslims are takin steps against radical muslims...
RE:Another fabricated story
by Sameer Bhagwat on Feb 23, 2008 04:54 PM Permalink
Dude, Do you believe this in what u said ? You day dreamer. Listern, think, analyse, what's happening. You are not programmed to do that i know that, but dude your god has given you a mind to think. Dude dont waste your life thinking you wl be rewarded in heaven with apsaras. Everything is here on this earth
RE:RE:Another fabricated story
by rexberry on Feb 23, 2008 05:08 PM Permalink
@sameer bhagwat u have hit the nail... ppl dun even have to think ...its so easy to guess
RE:Another fabricated story
by rexberry on Feb 23, 2008 04:47 PM Permalink
Frankly speaking... i have never suffered any type of religious bias in this stringent wahabbi country... we dont find temples here(but we can pray at home)... but in other Middle east countries we do have temples also... i m enjoyin every rights...i can freely move and have no issues.. they never support terrorism but they are against US ... they like indians as they feel we are very intelligent and hardworkin... they hate bangladeshis coz they feel they are not clean and unhygenic... but they neither suffer any terrorist attacks from hindus... while in india we do suffer... even u suffer... my point is we all suffer so why cant we take a stand ... if u take it then it will be so easy to irradicate such criminals... thats only my point
RE:Another fabricated story
by rexberry on Feb 23, 2008 05:04 PM Permalink
atleast you dont deny dawood involvement... lashker e tayyabba, harkat ul mujahidin, etc etc have openly said against india.... you cant deny there activities also in india... they are very good in brainwashing or financially helping some indian muslims..... either there poor background or there jihadi teachings make these guys do anything for such groups....nowadays educated ppl r more into this... atleast u cant deny sabil ahmed or kafil ahmed involvement ...anyways they didnt harm indians
RE:Another fabricated story
by Spartacus on Feb 23, 2008 05:00 PM Permalink
Yes you are right truth exposer...Even those the name of person is BILAL or YAHYA KHAN or Yakub Memon, still it does not prove its by Muslim...May be we will have to get down to his genit@ls to check whether this guy is Muslim or not..!!
A peace loving Muslim is the one either never studied / understood the Holy Books(Hadith and Qran) or despite studying and understanding them realized the danger of them and ignored practicing them.
There is only one way to destroy Islamic terrorism for ever . Destroy all existing copies of their holy book and hadiths including the online ones and audio video versions. Send those who memorized the books to Jennath.
RE:The only solution for Islamic Terrorism
by Abhijith sawant on Feb 23, 2008 04:14 PM Permalink
MODI should be PM atleast for 5 yesra then see the changes in our country.
RE:The only solution for Islamic Terrorism
by Indian Hitler on Feb 23, 2008 04:22 PM Permalink
Relax guys.Dont get into the trap.They want division and when u talk like this,they are succeeding.Anybody who loves India is ours irrespective of religion,and I have seen many muslims more passionate for India than many of our fellow Hindus.Remember Kalam sahab!He has given us all the arsenal to bomb out the pakis.And there are meny more.The bottomline sould be clear.Live in India if u love India,otherwise get out of here before getting kicked out,religion doesnt matter.
I don't know why innocent person like Yahya Khan is arrested and harressed in the rule of Great Sonia Gandhi.
Yahya Khan is Muslim So as per Khachhar Committee Recommendation, he has every right in the world to fight for his religeon.
Thus by arresting him Congress has clearly hurted the sentiments of Minorities.
I appeal Mr. Mahesh Bhatt Saheb, Hon Ms Tista Settlewad, The Grat son of India Mr. Rajdeep Sardesai to come forward to help this poor Muslim Minrity Fellow
Human Rights Commission please look into the matter & try to release the Muslim from the hands of cruel Cops
RE:arrest of innocent person
by Sultan on Feb 23, 2008 04:00 PM Permalink
The same treatment should be given to RSS, VHP & BJP activites, then we will accept that our country is a secular country
Atleast, RSS VHP are NOT training people in the jungle to kill others or to go for suicide bombing. Your only complain is the Gujrat case. For your information, the starting point was Godhra train burnging. Who did that? Some fundamentalist muslim guys. If the moderate muslims do not come out to stop the fundamentalists, i am afraid, the whole community will have to suffer, because that will be seen as your support for the fundamentalists.
RE:arrest of innocent person
by Sultan on Feb 23, 2008 05:03 PM Permalink
but they are doing in the name of muslims, and balming the community to get votes of daliths. these people are aryans if you are a true indians then fight with RSS. BJP etc
RE:arrest of innocent person
by rexberry on Feb 23, 2008 04:15 PM Permalink
this is the problem @sultan u know wat u guys are known in pakistan.... GADDARS... LOL... tum jaise log na ghar ke ho na ghat ke...
RE:arrest of innocent person
by AR on Feb 23, 2008 04:09 PM Permalink
How many bombings have RSS,BJP done,I know u will talk abt gujarat but remember its muslims who started it by burning the train bogie. Keep cribbing but u will not accept that muslims are the biggest terrorist!
RE:arrest of innocent person
by Sameer on Feb 23, 2008 04:15 PM Permalink
I think you are not reading news paper. Already its clear that train were burn from inside not from outside. Even you Gujrat Govt dont have any information how train burn and who burns.
Nobody can officially claim who set the train on fire. Because there is no proof. Similarly, noboday can officially claim who were the men behind the Gujrat case. Because there is no proof. So in that case, why are you blaming RSS, VHP then for the Gujrat case? But not accepting Fundamentalist muslims as the train-burner? If you accept the first part, you have to accept the second part too.
RE:RE:arrest of innocent person
by Sameer on Feb 23, 2008 04:15 PM Permalink
I think you are not reading news paper. Already its clear that train were burn from inside not from outside. Even you Gujrat Govt dont have any information how train burn and who burns.
RE:arrest of innocent person
by AR on Feb 23, 2008 04:50 PM Permalink
Oh yes sameer we will listen to those banerjee comission reports which have formed by the congress and leftist??
RE:arrest of innocent person
by Spartacus on Feb 23, 2008 04:20 PM Permalink
Yes Lalu proved it..is it not! Still he lost Bihar elections..poor little guy!
RE:arrest of innocent person
by Sameer Bhagwat on Feb 23, 2008 05:00 PM Permalink
@Sameer, Dumb dude. Lalu wanted to win election. He fabricated some story after one year. This is politics. So topic of discussion changes to how train got burnt and not who were behind. Dude dude wake up
RE:RE:arrest of innocent person
by Sultan on Feb 23, 2008 05:07 PM Permalink
who supplied bombs to muslims first know this. accorting my belive a good muslims will not kill innocent whether it is a hindu or muslim, moreever he will not put a bomb in Masjid, it is a RSS. but what to do media and govt is under Majority.
RE:arrest of innocent person
by Sameer Bhagwat on Feb 23, 2008 06:29 PM Permalink
Dude, Wake up. Understand how u'r brain are programmed by ullahs to use it. Dude what's happening in paksistan, wh sunni killing shias. If u believe ...slam is answer to all problem. then why in pakistan people r killing each other. Dude this mullas, politician need followers and they psyche the mind. U fill u wl get apsara in jannat if u follow them.. Dude they enjoy apsaras on earth. Dude Dimag ki batti jalao. I am sure u'r god has given u a mind. Unfortunately years of programming by mullahs has correupted the script
Non Muslims are always confused about Islam. Some says Islam is religion of peace and Mullahs are misguiding them and making them extremists and in tolerant towards other religious believers. Some says Politicians use make them extremists and exploit. Some believes US and Israel are doing atrocities against them and making them terrorists.
Please do not believe in all these. You can understand them easily and authentically. It is very simple you devote couple of your valuable hours to study and understand their holy book and Hadiths. Online English versions of both are available from in numeral sources over Internet.
More than 80 percent of world Muslims are Sunnis and they believe a genuine Muslim is the one who follows both the holy book and Hadiths. So you need to study both the books. You have to keep in mind the beliefs of the Muslims while studying their books and understand them in their context. Holy Books is God given and Hadiths are the example and guidance for them to follow as demonstrated by their prophet with his own life. Whatever the prophet did in his life time were for the Muslims to follow whether is the mass killing of Jews and idol worshipers or looting their belongings or raping and keeping their woman folks as columbines.
A genuine Muslim is the one who follows the prophet. Now you decide whether Islam is the Religion of peace or not.
Ms Italy has every plan to destory India & divide them into small carved countries. One should not be surprise if our coming generations will say that they are from Country called Kashmir, Khalistan etc. We are going towards dooms days under present scenario. We must also counter these politicians who are having billions of dollars stored Swiss Banks.
RE:Division of Country
by Raj Royale on Feb 23, 2008 03:50 PM Permalink
Imam by brother, I am with you, lets get the change going through. Infact Hindu muslim conflict was the brain child of Britishers who played divide and rule not only between rulers but also communities.
I was young and I thought that muslims were all about mirza ghalib, bahadur shah zafar, khusro and the pathans. but today my judgement is getting coloured by the activities of yahya khan and benazir bhuttos
we hindus await that you will in deed show solidarity by reverse brain washing such radicals and bring peace between the two communities
Lack of industrial growth in states such as kerala, west bengal has left many without any oppertunities.....these people are recruited for such anti national activities.
Raj Thakray has rightly pointed out the immigrant problem......only I wish he would have done in a way.....that was more acceptable.
U and ur collegues r to blame for this......Mr Karat........& u expect a bharat ratna for ur collegues for this.
RE:MR Karat.....this is truly the only contribution of communists
by rexberry on Feb 23, 2008 03:40 PM Permalink
@sachin walvekar actually in your blog... u have a right point... believe it or not in future u may find many mallu muslims getting into terrorism... as many r goin to middleeast and believe it or not these blody muslim keralites even try to preach we hindus to get converted into muslims.... i guess mallapuram and calicut will be a terrorism hub in future
