Brothers of all faith; Let us all we first learn to respect all the religions. No religion teaches anyone to say bad about other religion. Islam teaches equality and universal brotherhood. In Quran its mentioned you invote them for a good, and if they don't want let them tell you go on your way and I on my path. Religion is a way of life. There is one God the same creaator for Muslims, for Hindus, Christan and Sikhs, and others. There are no individual God for each religion. Its all the act of devil, the confusion and mistrust in fabric our multi cultural India is not a good sign ofr future and our country's growth.
If any culprit from any religious background there is a system to takle with. Polic and court of law will take care these issues. Telling bad about each others religions creates only problem. Let India pervail. And let everyone live with harmony and peace. This is my earnest request to all of you we should respect each other and each others religion.
Yet another pointless discussion board with people lashing out and advertising their brands of religion. Keep fighting, thats the way we all move forward isnt it. I mean, the subcontinents contribution to the world, in fighting for centuries, over the most frivolous reasons. When there were jews, we were fighting, then came the christians we were fighting, then came islam, we are still there bickering. Leave all this god business and please do a hard days work. Im sure He is big enough to take care of himself without you pathetic lot trying to die for him. If you have to die, commit suicide without killing others and reduce the number of idiots in our already thick country.
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by The Brain on Feb 24, 2008 01:34 PM Permalink
@ secret...
If you want to contiue a debate than you are welcome. But if you just want to abuse me or just keep saying moron muslims or brainless, so it wont help you in any way. I am just trying to remove the misconception you have against islam.
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by Shahzad Sayed on Feb 24, 2008 02:15 PM Permalink
Dear All, Leave this discussion here itself as it is useless to debate with brainless people. Remember what our hadith says - "Dont argue with scholars & foolish people". So leave them on their own.....their destination is hatred as these terrorists.
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by Abhay Phansekar on Feb 24, 2008 02:40 PM Permalink
No need to debate with anybody. I have decided I will not support muslim terrorism in this contry. Did you know, the money they earn from us is spent on spreading terror in our country. I've decided I will not buy any thing from shop owned by muslim. I know this is a tiny effort and will not make any difference to them, but this is a start from me as a person who love his nation. Let this be a begning, lets spread this message and try to practice it in our lives. Let this thought go to every hindu in this nation and around the world. I'm not telling you to fight these terrorists with weapons, not possible and our religon does not teach this. But as a consumer, it is our right to decide from whom we buy thins and with whom we do business. No rule law reservation can prevent us from practicing this. Lets start this thought and spread it to all we can.
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by The Brain on Feb 24, 2008 01:48 PM Permalink
Abhinav,
Your quotes are for people who follow the faith of Islam and then start follwoing other faith. It is not for people who are already following different faiths.
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by Farooq on Feb 24, 2008 01:57 PM Permalink
stop lieing abhinav .... give your mail id you will know what is truth if you are seeking truth..apostacy is not punishable by death...the verses you quoted is for the jews who will playing tricks with muslims when islam was new ..they were joining faith one by one and leaving in groups just to cunfuse muslims that soo many people leaving islam they just planned this thing to stop islam..but all thier tricks went in vain people joined faith in huge numbers for them this verse was sent by god wat yu jst pasted...from the time islam came into existence people joined and left the faith but nothing happened to them...to know in detail about this you can send you e-mail id
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by Farooq on Feb 24, 2008 02:41 PM Permalink
abhinav i know what all these means this has been answered convincingly by many scholars ..if you want to do copy paste thing here and spread mischeive you can go ahead but if you really wanna know the context and want muslims to answer this you can debate anytime by e-mailing farooq01@gmail(dot)com
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by The Brain on Feb 24, 2008 01:54 PM Permalink
O.K Simple question for you.. What will you do a person if he commits crime and then ask for forgiveness... ofcourse you will forgive him once... but after that again if he commits crime then what will you do?
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by The Brain on Feb 24, 2008 02:07 PM Permalink
refer what farooq said.. it was at the time of jews when they were converting to Islam just to play tricks with muslims.
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by The Brain on Feb 24, 2008 01:51 PM Permalink
for your knowledge, refer to the family of 9/11 attack or search on google, you will know that many of those affected families of 9/11 attack are converted to Islam, also you can search on YOUTUBE.
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by The Brain on Feb 24, 2008 01:45 PM Permalink
well shekar, that is your view and your experience. You can go with your statistics to the media and let them print it out by thoughly studing it. I will accept those statistics also.
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by secret on Feb 24, 2008 01:39 PM Permalink
agree Brain...i went over-board...i'm ready to have a healthy debate...mail me at mailtosecret@rediffmail.com//
let me say this...my idea is NOT to hurt ppl's snetiments but only to educate them...imperfections exists in every ideoplgoy so nothing shld be taken too seriously to harm others...Peace be on earth..
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by apurva singh on Feb 24, 2008 01:28 PM Permalink
these muslims are v v dangerous psychopaths. it will be a long and hard struggle to get rid of this vermin from the face of earth. the time has come.
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by Rasheed on Feb 24, 2008 01:32 PM Permalink
Anyway no faith is devoid of such psychopaths. Name one and I will proclaim your greatness. Where in the world do you radicals creep in with such regularity. With so many trishul wielding radicals spewing venom and showing their prowess in riots after riots, what cheek do you have to profess moderation to others. Clean up your backyard and consciousness first. Vermin is too acidic a term, reserve that to describe your state of mind.
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by Rasheed on Feb 24, 2008 01:39 PM Permalink
India, with the second largest population in the world, is a world in itself. And there are hundreds of incidents which cry for qualification as terrorist acts. Check out your country first before you lecture all and sundry about the world.
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by Farooq on Feb 24, 2008 01:31 PM Permalink
humko meta sakey yeh zamaney mey dum nahee humsey hai zamana zamaney sey hum nahee @ apurva
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by Proudly Indian on Feb 24, 2008 02:04 PM Permalink
even though there are abusive words, this seems to be a good discussion!
But whether it is Quran or Geetha or Bible, we have to be realistic that we can talk only on what we are seeing!I mean, we have to talk on the practicing religions not the ideal religions! I believe that all of these religions have limited the human potential and achievements saying the stories of heaven and hell!!!All religions teach them and convince them on killing others. Hardly there is difference between Bajrangdal, islamic terrorists or christian terrorists (Irish).So guys talk against all of this craps...we can have a better world without them!!!!
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by Farooq on Feb 24, 2008 01:20 PM Permalink
like the way you rescued yourself from your religion by keeping your religion secret with your id??
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by secret on Feb 24, 2008 01:24 PM Permalink
i'm a human that's all that matters to me...i know for a fact that all religions are imperfect and not worht defnding....unlike you morons defending an out-dated manual...i defend diversity and opposing views to exists...this is the basis for a tolerant society...something you may probably not even have an idea of...!!
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by The Brain on Feb 24, 2008 01:17 PM Permalink
Muslims were the lords of Arabia for 1400 years. For a few years the British ruled, and for a few years the French ruled. Overall, the Muslims ruled Arabia for 1400 years. Yet today, there are 14 million Arabs who are Coptic Christians i.e. Christians since generations. If the Muslims had used the sword there would not have been a single Arab who would have remained a Christian.
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by Farooq on Feb 24, 2008 01:46 PM Permalink
if you seriously want to clarify your misconception about apostacy in islam just give your e-mail adress i will send you the detail and only if you want just ti abuse carry on with your lies..no problem @ abhinav
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by secret on Feb 24, 2008 01:27 PM Permalink
excellent point Abhinav now this morons will think you are saying this becasue you are a Hindu
i mean it takes a lot of guts to stop a proctice like Sati in Hinduism...great show guys..
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by Farooq on Feb 24, 2008 01:29 PM Permalink
the people who try to convert us ..will convert in return @ abhinav ...... dont quote out of context
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by The Brain on Feb 24, 2008 01:31 PM Permalink
The following words of quran will clarify your doubts against apostasy. If still it is not clear to you then you donot want to understand it. there is no compulsion to religion in Islam but at the same time a muslim has to convey the message of allah to non belivers but not by sword but by your deed and behaviour.
Sword is only allowed to be used at the time of war. And the war should be to protect yourself and not just for the sake of fighting.
%u201CLet there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error%u201D [Al-Qur%u2019an 2:256]
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by secret on Feb 24, 2008 01:20 PM Permalink
do you read the newspapers about atrocities to minorities in our neighboring pakistan and bangladesh in the name of islam or not??? or those channels off-air in madarasas...
where they can afford to msulims are know to wag their tails and suppress and dominate other communities...at a psycological level this is because of a inferiority complex they have about islam..
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by secret on Feb 24, 2008 01:30 PM Permalink
Ok now Brain is NOT a happy muslim because of Indian Govt's policy...so how abt being a 'mojahir' in pakistan...just give it a shot Brain(less)
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by Farooq on Feb 24, 2008 01:26 PM Permalink
no we never read and heared ...we are hearing it only thru you @ secret thanks for the lies
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by The Brain on Feb 24, 2008 01:25 PM Permalink
oh oh, I donot deny that there may be atrocities to minorities in Pakistan and Bangladesh. But that happened due to there govt. policies towards minorities. The same policy which you want to adopt against muslims,
But the fact is Islam doesn't preaches atrocities..
Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Quran says in the following verse: %u201CLet there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error%u201D [Al-Qur%u2019an 2:256]
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by The Brain on Feb 24, 2008 01:10 PM Permalink
Islam is actually winning the hearts of americans because of its Inherent Truth How Islam is winning the hearts of Hispanics in US from main stream US media
St Pittusburg times sptimes.com/2008/02/09/Hillsborough/America_s_Muslim_popu.shtml
Voice of America - The US government funded media outlet on Islam's growing influence on Latino population
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by The Brain on Feb 24, 2008 01:15 PM Permalink
this is your secret which you can better keep it with yourself. If you don't want to understand something then you wont understand it.
I am not speaking my views, I am speaking about the world view whereas you are speaking only your personal and hatred views.
I know people like you when run short of knowledge starts abusing others.
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by secret on Feb 24, 2008 01:17 PM Permalink
yes...but atleast i'm better than Prophet who said don't mix with Jews and Christians...you are speaking the world view taught in your Madarasa may be...
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by The Brain on Feb 24, 2008 01:28 PM Permalink
With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Quran says in the following verse: "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error" [Al-Quran 2:256]
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by The Brain on Feb 24, 2008 01:20 PM Permalink
you are totally incorrect. There is not way in this world which can prove that dont mix with JEWS and Christians.
Infact, without mixing or communicating, how you are going to convey your message to other community?
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by secret on Feb 24, 2008 01:22 PM Permalink
yes vivekanand i have been since discharged...are you still there in the asylum or did you escape...??
given your mental instability you shld enlist for a local jihadi camp...
Politicians are known to go to any extent to serve their purpose. Too much politics is involved in terrorism and anti terrorism game. Aim of such politics is:
To bias majority against muslims.
To create rift between communities-a risk to national unity.
To give feeling of insecurity to minorities(read muslims)
To provoke misguided (educated/uneducated)youth.
To preach that Modi/Mossad/Israel is the only remedy. To
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by pasha on Feb 24, 2008 01:03 PM Permalink
wat is definition of terrorism?? Christian and hindu terror has killed many more people than anu other???
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by The Brain on Feb 24, 2008 12:58 PM Permalink
this is your views, go and read about the views of the scholers.
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by The Brain on Feb 24, 2008 01:09 PM Permalink
With which sword was Islam spread? Even if Muslims had it they could not use it to spread Islam because the Qur%u2019an says in the following verse: %u201CLet there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error%u201D [Al-Qur%u2019an 2:256]
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by vivekanand on Feb 24, 2008 01:27 PM Permalink
abhinav,
I know that u r not unaware that the above quoted belong to a situation when muslims were facing offenders. its similar to krishna telling arjuna to go ahead to kill his kaurava brothers.
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by secret on Feb 24, 2008 01:00 PM Permalink
R U Brain-less who are the Scholars...if they say anything else abt Islam they are NO scholars
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by The Brain on Feb 24, 2008 01:07 PM Permalink
oh secret. so you are the religious scholer, tell me your credentials plz. People like you just refer some Islamis critic websites runs by some christian missionry and come back with all this nonsense. If you say the people on rediff blogs are scholars then you can be one among them.
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by secret on Feb 24, 2008 01:10 PM Permalink
i'm atlesating referring to a current source....you are talking abt an out-dated manual from 7th century...now ami not right in calling you brain-less
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by pasha on Feb 24, 2008 01:00 PM Permalink
sadly crores in this world dont think so neither abhinav has been able to convince a single 1 of them???
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by secret on Feb 24, 2008 01:01 PM Permalink
Millions are conveting out of Islam...thanks to the insanity reaching newer levels...just a matter of time before it happens in India..
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by The Brain on Feb 24, 2008 01:08 PM Permalink
Islam is actually winning the hearts of americans because of its Inherent Truth How Islam is winning the hearts of Hispanics in US from main stream US media
St Pittusburg times sptimes.com/2008/02/09/Hillsborough/America_s_Muslim_popu.shtml
Voice of America - The US government funded media outlet on Islam's growing influence on Latino population
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by secret on Feb 24, 2008 01:11 PM Permalink
also, spain, Britain and denmark
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by Ali boy on Feb 24, 2008 01:17 PM Permalink
abhinav inspite of you being answered time and again you remain here to produce your vague arguments,out of context theories, i am sure you dont really want to know about islam and neither you have anything to do with any other faith.You are simply wasting your time on this post go do some constructive work.
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by The Brain on Feb 24, 2008 01:13 PM Permalink
Millions, where did you got this figure... please refer me to that website which has some references and credentials.
Vicky is one writer whom I admire a lot. We are living in 21st century civilised societies. Courts are functioning and laws are being made to establish peace and justice in the society. And these laws are not written by ISI!
When given fair trial, it has been amply proven that innocent Muslims are in the line of fire and Dr. Haneef's case is clear evidence. Therefore, without trial, convicting them as terrorist is nothing less than 'media terrorism'.
You all ensured that MUSLIM's dont get job/education as they are emotional people they can be brainwashed easily so that they can make you all rule this contry for another Million years
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by MIM on Feb 24, 2008 12:52 PM Permalink
Hinduism is better known as Brahmanism, since the word `Hindu' is of Islamicate Persian origin. There were essentially 2 types of faith in ancient India. Firstly, those which accepted the Vedas and superiority of the Brahmin caste (these are referred to as `astika' or orthodox) and consist of 6 schools. These are collectively referred to in ancient inscriptions as `Brahmana', which is rendered as `Brahmanism'. This category includes Vaishnavas, Vedists (`vaidikas'), Vedantists, etc. Then those who opposed casteism and the Vedas; these are referred to as `Sramana' or `nasika' (heretic). This last category includes Buddhists, Jains, Shaivas, Tantrics, Atheists (Carvaks), etc. During the course of history, the `nastikas' have been almost wholly exterminated from India by systematic persecution at the hands of Brahmanists.
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by kumar rao on Feb 24, 2008 12:58 PM Permalink
This is what GREEN Party wants precisely Keep supporting Green party of INDIA to ensure we dont progress but all wealth will be with GREEN rulers
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by Ali boy on Feb 24, 2008 01:17 PM Permalink
abhinav inspite of you being answered time and again you remain here to produce your vague arguments,out of context theories, i am sure you dont really want to know about islam and neither you have anything to do with any other faith.You are simply wasting your time on this post go do some constructive work.
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by Rasheed on Feb 24, 2008 01:02 PM Permalink
Trishul wielding Hindu radicals are pacifists I suppose. Roaming around menacingly and killing without mercy when the first opportunity strikes, is I suppose, a very humane side of terrorism. Abhinav, have some sense of balance before you stand on that moral pedestal to lecture.
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by Rasheed on Feb 24, 2008 01:05 PM Permalink
Hinduism is not a global religion, and not persecuted by deliberate designs of Uncle Sam as Islam. Nonetheless, the terror unleashed by the Sangh Parivaris is enough to have the same effect in India.
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by Rasheed on Feb 24, 2008 01:35 PM Permalink
What substance are you talking about, Abhinav Almighty. You fork out hate-filled websites that flood the net and ask me to call that research. Your claims of substance-filled debate is ridiculous. Hindus dont form a substantial part of any country other than India and Nepal. So, there is absolutely no comparison on that count. Your argument falls flat, Abhinav.
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by Ali boy on Feb 24, 2008 01:18 PM Permalink
abhinav inspite of you being answered time and again you remain here to produce your vague arguments,out of context theories, i am sure you dont really want to know about islam and neither you have anything to do with any other faith.You are simply wasting your time on this post go do some constructive work.
Osacr winning entry for India this year in Documnetary section By leading 498 director Vasanth Rokade.His maiden production Munniben MBBS alia MISS 498a sure to shine in festival IN hOLLYWOOD. After a long time a Indian Film got entry to Bolywood Documnetary section and Durector vasnath Rokade from Satara has raised may serious issue minly from satara-pune-nashik belt. 1.Raise awareness how Kalpana Bhnage(a Bisexual Conwoman uses Govt Machinery and fools innocent people of pune
2.Raises awareness among peoples about Quota and quoita criminals.It is a really celluoid journey in to psyche of a quota criminals who seduces young females from highre caste as a prey and derives pleasure from them
3. Humour entry when munniben prescribe allopathioc medicines to a patinet..cannt even speel right as rite and eye as I!! EXCELLENT HUMOUR by Vasanth !!
4.CLimax of Munniben/Miss 498a where a women is killed every day for dowry but not burning.arranged lift crash where young marruied woman killed by a mettalugical enginner in a lift crash.he get rid of wife,geta dowry,No 498a and gets life insurance money for her as well.Now he is free to remaary as poor widow--a murderer..
Indian censor will create some problem as Director tried to link munniben's bisexual behaviour and 498a tendencay and scenes betwween vamp vidya and condian ramesh lallu might delay censor cleranace..But NRI people will watch movies sooner..Premier to be held at midland in uk
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by KTVReddy on Feb 24, 2008 12:50 PM Permalink
why vasanth rokade doesn't make flim about teenage abduction of Ms Medha who is abused since 1985??
For every murder that happens in a city - why should'nt Home Minister (who is equivalent of a CEO) be prosecuted?
For every tourist who is raped in india - why shouldn't the Torusim Minister by prosecuted?
For every Rail Accidents that happen - why shouldn't Railway Minister be prosecuted?
if we can't book them on immigration fraud and literally human trafficking of highly qualified Indians and for being utterly utterly selfish and for being rather anti-social - please book them all - on grounds like this. India's strength is Indians and Indian culture and Indian people who believe in India. For every murder that happens in a city Then Vasanth rokade will be real oscarian.. we love india but India has betrayed us! we are proud of Indians,Not India any more!!
well done , Vasanth rokade for exposing a real face of India where quota,corruption,moral degradation.kidnapping,abuse.f rauds,hawala and supari killings are norms.May be he is going to expose abudtcion king pin air india fame Lalit Vinayak kshirsagar who abducts 2 NRI childern just to have one lusty night with vamp vidya!! I am sure censor will have trouble with this one as well!!
