Well, Sangh Parivar creating a Hindu-Muslim divide...really funny! Mr. Ganguli would have earned a few pats had he shown some audacity in understanding what exactly the Sangh Parivar has done and is doing. He does not want to and none amongst the pseudo-secular brigade wants either.
The Sangh has strived to bring together Hindus all these years. But the so called secular press wants to view Hindus as a collection of castes whereas the Sangh Parivar always wants to refer to them as just Hindus. And that explains why none of them want to highlight the fact that Sangh founder Dr. Hedgewar achieved what Gandhiji was yet to - getting all sections of Hindus including Dalits together through their periodic camps. Gandhiji was surprised to find Dalits sitting alongwith so called upper castes in the Wardha camp and having food together! And this was in mid-1930s.
Nehru conveniently decided to think of RSS as the Congress' political competitor. And then began the trouble because the Congress thought only it was secular (read pro-minority and anti-Hindu) which automatically made everyone else including the RSS that was working to bring Hindus together, communal....
I don't think I should have argued so much. Why should I again care for some Ganguli when none from the RSS have cared for and instead focused their energies on the good work they were doing. But then silence is sometimes mistaken as admission of guilt and perhaps more so in case of the Sangh Parivar, I suppose..
RE:Rule through Reservation
by ap Vijayakumar on Feb 22, 2008 10:29 AM Permalink
Leave alone the trash talk about 'Tehelka serial' and porn CDs, which were 'manufactured' and stage-managed. Before bashing the BJP on the issue of reservation to women, did you try to find out how much of the elected representatives in Parliament, assemblies and other bodies of the BJP are women? Now go and do a similar search on the Congress, Communists, etc. The Communists will have only meagre nos. in elected bodies, so try to compare the percentage of the available elected members. Try to find out and have the guts to speak the truth, Mr. Sahadevan, before accusing who brought the bill in parliamet and who did not!
Well, Friends let me begin with by saying that I m not a either supporter or oppose of the congress or any political party. But I had voted both for BJP and congress depending upon candidate and other factors. The fall of congress began in late eighties and early nineties. And it is almost since then the politics of hate began. First in the name of Ram. Then few parties devided the hindu society in the name of Dalit OBC%u2019s Jat Yadav etc. Now we are seeing division being created in name of North Indian v/s Locals in Maharashtra. BJP is out of Power and desperately need Rama to polarize the voter in the name religion.
But why political parties do this. Simply because we the people of India allow ourselves to be used by these political outfits. They exploit out religious sentiments to cling to power because it the easiest way for them. The development route is much more difficult to be power.
One thing I would like to state that the congress was the uniting force across India. As it has reach in almost every part of India It had its voter in every cast community. It was a centrist force in Indian politics. The erosion congress has resulted into arise of small parties or regional parties who prefer regional interest over national interest They play regional card to allure the voters.
I thing congress bashing is no solution. We must think rationally whether we need a united strong India or a India divided into religion, casts, clans, north Indian, south India
RE:Congress was the uniting factor in India:
by WhoAmINow on Feb 22, 2008 10:19 AM Permalink
I agree Congress was the uniting force - but that was 60 years ago when India was ruled by the British! The congress exploited this (against Gandhi's will mind you) to rule India for the next 50 years.
Democracy it was, but ruled by one family - the hiers of the first prime minister - who conveniently adopted the last name of the father of the nation when he had nothing to do with their genes.
Ram or Ravan or Rahim - the BJP proved there is an alternative to Congress, which in itself is a great thing after 50 years of the same blood.
RE:RE:Congress was the uniting factor in India:
by Kapil Dev on Feb 22, 2008 10:26 AM Permalink
I do not see BJP an alternative to congress. Every time Jaya lalita visited Delhi Pramod Mahajan has to go recieve her from the airport. BJP did manage five years it was far from a credible or authoratitive govt
RE:RE:Congress was the uniting factor in India:
by Kapil Dev on Feb 22, 2008 10:23 AM Permalink
India has all the elected primeministers be it Indira nehru or Rajiv. It is not monarchy my dear freind....
RE:RE:RE:Congress was the uniting factor in India:
by true tamilan on Feb 22, 2008 10:25 AM Permalink
India has more than 30 % living bpl. Each election, Indira gandhi had garibi hatao in the manifesto. She ruled 4 terms. So much for Indian people's intelligence.
RE:Congress was the uniting factor in India:
by Sahadevan KK on Feb 22, 2008 10:24 AM Permalink
Rule through Reservation
At last Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leaders agreed to give 33-50% reservation for the wives and daughters of goons, killers, kidnappers, 'Tehelka serial' actors and porn CD actors who are already in leadership. Senior leaders on February 21, 2008 reiterated the party's commitment to providing 33 per cent reservation for women in Parliament and State Assemblies.
One world's longest 'PM in waiting' said at the rally, "Ideally there should be 50 per cent reservation for women in Parliament and the State Assemblies, but we will be happy to back the government at the Centre if they are serious about bringing in 33 per cent reservation. Reservation is the only item on the Common Minimum Programme of the UPA government for women, sadly they haven't been able to deliver even that one promise."
Other gentleman Venkaiya Naidu said, "If you have the political will, bring in the Bill." But there is no a single idiotic cadre or supporter to ask where was the same will when BJP ruled India.
Another leader Rajnath Singh said, "Thirty-three per cent reservation is the right of the Indian women and it is something that had been promised to them." But Alas! He was forgetting (befooling people) 'Stall Parliament' was BJP's 'right' for previous four years as it is an opposition party.
RE:Congress was the uniting factor in India:
by Kapil Dev on Feb 22, 2008 10:21 AM Permalink
what i am saying is there is lack of credible options in the absence of congress. The regional interests can not have prefrence over nation intrest
RE:Congress was the uniting factor in India:
by true tamilan on Feb 22, 2008 10:23 AM Permalink
True, but congress which has screwed the country for so many years creating more and more division in the country, keeping india as backward third world country for 45 years is not an option at all.
RE:RE:Congress was the uniting factor in India:
by Kapil Dev on Feb 22, 2008 10:30 AM Permalink
Come on Tamilian It was Rajiv who despite opposition brought IT in india It was Manmohan singh who started economic reforms in india Which world are u in
It is not the problem of the RSS or BJP that you are either not opening your eyes to the truth, or viewing it with a tainted glass. When have you seen the RSS or BJP or any organization of the Sangh parivar acting on the basis of regionalism? It is true that when pseudo-seculars try to divide the nation, these nationalist organizations have stood up to speak the truth, which obviously is not to the liking of many! Remove the 'Red' veil from your eyes, Mr. or Ms. Ganguly.
The author, no doubt a fan of the so-called secular parties who garner vote banks of minority religions and various castes by providing quotas, preferences, special justice systems and previlages - all in the name of secularism.
The BJP is not perfect for it also preaches differential treatments based on caste systems, but at least when it comes to religions, it is the only national party (that I can think of at least) which says irrespective of which religion one belongs to, one should get the same rights and have the same duties.
RE:BJP is the only truly secular party
by Neutral on Feb 22, 2008 10:16 AM Permalink
Yes. Congress and others think that any action against Terrorism is action against Islamism. So, they are more communal. It is congress which equates terrorism with islamism.
His portrayal of BJP as a sectarian party is wrong, as most of the media, and the opposition parties have been projecting.
India's economic growth/development is mainly due to the middle class population, who are better literate and better employed now-a-days. They are opposed to pampering of certain sections of population in the name of reservations in education, employment, etc. by various political parties. This is what Congress, Comunists, the media have all been doing all these years. BJP is one such party which calls a spade a spade. They want the Hindus to be proud, and fights if anyone/any party takes the side of some sections of the population whenever any problem comes up, be it communal riots, reservations in education, jobs, etc. You would have noticed that inspite of heavy campaigning and false propaganda by Congress and all other opposion parties in portraying BJP as the villain, maut ka saudagar, etc. it won Gujrat by a thumping margin. This is the mood of the middle class people, and the youth in the country today. Any party, media, who fails to take a neutral stance, and instead support any sections of the population in the name of vote banks, minorities, etc. will fail in due course of time.
RE:You got it wrong Mr.Ganguly
by Sahadevan KK on Feb 22, 2008 10:22 AM Permalink
Rule through Reservation
At last Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) leaders agreed to give 33-50% reservation for the wives and daughters of goons, killers, kidnappers, 'Tehelka serial' actors and porn CD actors who are already in leadership. Senior leaders on February 21, 2008 reiterated the party%u2019s commitment to providing 33 per cent reservation for women in Parliament and State Assemblies.
One world's longest 'PM in waiting' said at the rally, "Ideally there should be 50 per cent reservation for women in Parliament and the State Assemblies, but we will be happy to back the government at the Centre if they are serious about bringing in 33 per cent reservation. Reservation is the only item on the Common Minimum Programme of the UPA government for women, sadly they haven%u2019t been able to deliver even that one promise."
Other gentleman Venkaiya Naidu said, "If you have the political will, bring in the Bill." But there is no a single idiotic cadre or supporter to ask where was the same will when BJP ruled India.
Another leader Rajnath Singh said, "Thirty-three per cent reservation is the right of the Indian women and it is something that had been promised to them." But Alas! He was forgetting (befooling people) 'Stall Parliament' was BJP's 'right' for previous four years as it is an opposition party.
RE:You got it wrong Mr.Ganguly
by Your Nemesis on Feb 22, 2008 10:40 AM Permalink
Yes. BJP is not sectarian. All this while, they were just pretending to be sectarian! They just redraw their societal boundaries, as and when they find it convenient, to garner vote banks, only during elections.
Being at the left of center, Congress had always won elections since independence, as the only votes they could not get was the extreme right wingers. Hope you wouldn't have forgotten that you tam-brams voted en masse to Congress, before BJP came into the scene. So, BJP had to come up with a better vote bank idea, no matter how lethal it was. Timely came the Ram temple idea. This carved a boundary around the biggest vote bank in India,the Hindus - Poor, Uneducated, emotional. Perfectly suited to be hoodwinked. It did give BJP a momentous success, and took away a million innocent lives. They aren't bothered. Once their agenda was realized, they never spoke a word about the temple, as they wanted their rule to be the most peaceful one in Indian history.
Unfortunately, comes the election every 5 years. And so comes to life the sleeping devil. This time, they want to carve out every possible vote bank - Women, North Indians, Urbans, Educated, now..Secular, and of course, the Hindus, who they think are their political base, by keeping the Ram Sethu issue alive. People will never know that the Ram Sethu project was first proposed during BJP rule.
Looking at all these...yeah, BJP is not sectarian. But just cunning and oppurtunistic, like its Brahmin leads.
RE:You got it wrong Mr.Ganguly
by Neutral on Feb 22, 2008 10:13 AM Permalink
Forget about this "Amul" baby. He always writes anit-BJP, just like other pseudos.
RE:Even though English Press is filled with Psuedos, why BJP is darling of middle class?
by R K Reddy on Feb 22, 2008 10:04 AM Permalink
Relax dude. you will blow your fuse. Bhaskar chatopadhay and meenu mukherjee are are great examples of mad people on this forum. Dont become like them.
RE:RE:Even though English Press is filled with Psuedos, why BJP is darling of middle class?
by R K Reddy on Feb 22, 2008 10:09 AM Permalink
:-)) Ok. As you wish. But dont stress yourself. I agree to whatever you say but you relax please. not for me but for your family.
RE:Even though English Press is filled with Psuedos, why BJP is darling of middle class?
by R K Reddy on Feb 22, 2008 10:12 AM Permalink
Ok but u relax. You need rest.
RE:Even though English Press is filled with Psuedos, why BJP is darling of middle class?
by on Feb 22, 2008 10:09 AM Permalink
Tathagata Mukherjee is an antisocial element. Hinduism do not spread worldwide because of the existance of this type of fellows. They spread hatred among religions and survive. We hindus, muslims and christians should be united and wipe out these fanatics.
RE:Even though English Press is filled with Psuedos, why BJP is darling of middle class?
by noel on Feb 22, 2008 10:15 AM Permalink
abe ch**tiye on, agar fanatic logon ki vajah se religions nahi failte hote to pa*nch*d musalman itne nahi dikhte hote aajkal
Tathagata Mukherjee is an antisocial element. Hinduism do not spread worldwide because of the existance of this type of fellows. They spread hatred among religions and survive. We hindus, muslims and christians should be united and wipe out these fanatics.
