For all those who think that all the north Indians want to impose Hindi because it is their language, let me clear it up. We north Indians also have our regional languages. I am from Rajasthan and grew up speaking Marwari. Similarly, there is punjabi, haryanvi, kinnari, gujrati and other languages. So if we learn Hindi and speak it, why should anyone else (read south and east Indians) be different?
Even though English is a universal language, I find it disappointing that states and people are recommending English to be made compulsory instead of Hindi.
RE:Hindi our language
by Patrick on Feb 22, 2008 06:07 AM Permalink
To do that, you have understand the regional pride of these people and also that there were several kingdoms in the north that had already treated them as a single administrative unit. I dont know about the east, but in the south there were many centuries worth of kings that ruled these states separately before the brits came. And this idea of india formed around the late 19th century. Yes there might have been a bharat during the ramayana, but that was thousands of years ago. So understand the reality. With the technology thats available multilanguage interfaces exist and transciribing can be done smoothly. if you have a lot of people to people to contact pan india then learn a language. dont expect people who dont have such a need to learn.
RE:Hindi our language
by Vivek Vikram Sridharan on Feb 22, 2008 07:43 AM Permalink
i think it is your choice to accept hindi. ask why anyone else should be different is like asking why do we not eat same food everyday. contradiction of human psyche. human psyche doesnt like force.
RE:RE:Tamilians asked for an another country called Dravidian
by on Feb 22, 2008 06:19 AM Permalink
RAKS get your facts right, all tamilians want is that their culture and heritage not be forgotten. When it comes to it we are as Indian as it gets, because of fools like you unwanted stuff and lies get spread around and illiterate fools after a while think is true.
RE:Tamilians asked for an another country called Dravidian
by on Feb 22, 2008 06:04 AM Permalink
This Raks is a paki idiot trying to create trouble. Rak, let me tell you we as Indians will fight over Hindi, Marathi, Tamil within Indian, but when it comes to Pakistan, let me tell you it does not mattter where we are from, but we are Indian first and will beat you like we did in 1965, 71, kargil, so hands off!
You started accusing marathis and now u are directing it towards Tamil. Hands off India, or else we will chop you further like 1971, and now pashtun, baloc etc
What i feel is it is simple 1) every one must know local state language very well to preserve age old culture etc this is enough with in a state 2) and to be able to move across India there must be a common language and it can only be Hindi - but need not master hindi 3) To be able to meet the requirement of globalization English. So 2 and 3 are optional for people based on their need and scope of moving.
RE:Simple solution
by on Feb 22, 2008 06:09 AM Permalink
This Raks is a paki idiot trying to create trouble. Rak, let me tell you we as Indians will fight over Hindi, Marathi, Tamil within Indian, but when it comes to Pakistan, let me tell you it does not mattter where we are from, but we are Indian first and will beat you like we did in 1965, 71, kargil, so hands off!
You started accusing marathis and now u are directing it towards Tamil. Hands off India, or else we will chop you further like 1971, and now pashtun, baloc etc
RE:Simple solution
by CMat on Feb 22, 2008 06:23 AM Permalink
Ok Raks...FYI nathal anthem is in Sanskrit and there is no such thing as national language officially. If u think Hindi is nathional language u need to dig more. Hindi may be language of masses (like bengali) But Officially not national language. Evene if ujust see a note(Rs)..You will see the value is written in 14 (or 16) major languages...
RE:Simple solution
by Raks on Feb 22, 2008 06:39 AM Permalink
This is c'ze the nos we follow in English, so that atleast people like you can understand it although you are Hindi hater but still we thought lets make your life easier.
Just to make things right, Hindi is NOT a national language as per the constitution. Both Hindi and English are official languages of India. There is a lot of difference between a national and official language. For a Tamilian Hindi is as alien as Eglish, so learning Hindi and English are the same, it is better for him/her to learn English rather than Hindi.
Moreover Karunanidhi is not forcing every one to learn only Tamil, the law states that English and Tamil should be taught and it allows any one to learn any other language. Not sure how many know, Tamil Nadu education board has exams for many many languages.
Similar language laws exist in Karnataka & Maharastra. Language is a sensitive issue. If India needs to be one country, Hindi should not be imposed in any part of India.
Just a note, there was never a country called India before British came, they united bunch of territories to one country for their administrative purposes. After independence most ethnic communities agreed to remain one. Unity in diversity holds this country together. Hope Hindi language fanatics will not destroy this.
RE:RE:Why NOT Hindi
by Your Nemesis on Feb 22, 2008 06:34 AM Permalink
And, hey. Yeah, Tamilians did ask for a separate state. It was due to blatant sidelining of southern states by the center. Sucking up all resources but not giving anything back. Just like the anti-hindi issue, even other southern states don't like Tamils asking for a separate state, as they did not have the backbone to speak up against northie politicians. So, whose problem is it anyway ? Here again, Tamils were the first to give up their claim for a separate state when India was faced with a war against China. Such is the nationality of Tamils. If you have problems with Tamilians having their own opinion about such issues, well, its your own problem.
RE:Why NOT Hindi
by ThoondilKaaran on Feb 22, 2008 06:41 AM Permalink
they fired and killed students agitating against imposing Hindi in TN. since then Congress never ruled TN.
RE:Why NOT Hindi
by Gandhi on Feb 22, 2008 07:01 AM Permalink
When children of other states like Rajasthan, Himachal, Punjab, Bengal, Gujrat, Maharastra, Orissa etc who have their own state languges also learn Hindi and english, why not children in Tamilnadu. This opposing is nothing but politics. May be you have children who have no problem with learning Hindi, you may have problem with teachers.
RE:Why NOT Hindi
by Vivek Vikram Sridharan on Feb 22, 2008 07:49 AM Permalink
thats how sanskrit died in north india. people were not proud of it. they opted for ghetto language like hindi and urdu. i am sure maratis and others shouldnt be dumbed by this blind marketing for hindi.
RE:RE:Why NOT Hindi
by ThoondilKaaran on Feb 22, 2008 07:07 AM Permalink
We will improve Tamilnadu with Tamil and we believe that Tamil will build our state. we don't need Hindi. If you need Hindi, that's ur need. every state has it's own need.
RE:Why NOT Hindi
by Raks on Feb 22, 2008 06:49 AM Permalink
Thats why I said earlier Tamilians are having problem with the whole world. Singapore is the real example. If you are talking bout China war, this shows how opportunistic you focker Tamilians are. When country is fighting against China, you are taking it as an opportunity to divide this country. This is the real colour of Tamilians. Tell me single state which you don't hate, you are blank I knonw...
RE:Why NOT Hindi
by Your Nemesis on Feb 22, 2008 06:23 AM Permalink
No wonder that resentment and jealousy builts upon a prosperous community. It's a natural thing. So, Tamilians need not give a darn about your opinion about them. If Tamils are the only people opposing another language being thrust upon them, its due to the pride on their language and heritage. And why not? why wouldn't they go all the way to protect the oldest living language? If this is irritating the minds of other states who were never even able to make an attempt to defend their language against an imposed third language, it's their problem.
I have nothing against any particular language. But those morons who are annoyed about Tamilians' unwillingness to learn other languages need to know this - You will never understand the pride, joy and fertility of the language unless you are born as a Tamilian, or learnt to read/write/speak Tamil. So, we'll leave it at that.
But, the hatred on Tamils is unwanted, because, the image about Tamilians was born after the anti-hindi agitation staged by Karunanidhi in the mid 80s. Now, who is to be hated for this? A leader trying to protect his language, or the then central leaders who tried to impose Hindi in Tamil Nadu? Mind you, Karunanidhi, then and now, never opposed Tamilians learning Hindi. It is the imposition of Hindi that he is/was against. Self-respecting leaders of any state should that this stand - Strongly protect your language & heritage, but let people learn other languages on their own will.
RE:Why NOT Hindi
by on Feb 22, 2008 06:10 AM Permalink
This Raks is a paki idiot trying to create trouble. Rak, let me tell you we as Indians will fight over Hindi, Marathi, Tamil within Indian, but when it comes to Pakistan, let me tell you it does not mattter where we are from, but we are Indian first and will beat you like we did in 1965, 71, kargil, so hands off!
You started accusing marathis and now u are directing it towards Tamil. Hands off India, or else we will chop you further like 1971, and now pashtun, baloc etc
I agree that native language and culture should be given priority over Hindi. Why the hell you want to impose Hindi in the guise of nationalism? If you know Hindi does that make one more nationalist than who does not. Why there should be a need for national language, when we say our power lies in "unity in diversit" Most of native languages are as old and as rich if not better than Hindi, so why should it be imposed. Are Hindi speaking people forced to speak other native languages? Indian unity does not depend on Hindi. We must accept and appreciate that we as Indian nation is proud to have various distinct laguages and culture. In this Global economy if we have to learn any additional language besides mother tounge, native language, it should be English.
RE:Why Hindi?
by Bhartiya on Feb 22, 2008 10:01 AM Permalink
you know what? you r a fool. because of persons like u India took so long to get independence. u people never want India to be one and self reliant. i ask u why the hell english? in the name of globalization?? we can well work alongwith the world with our own mother tongue. first of all we all need to be one & unite. BTW do u know we r not that unite that we r supposed to be? and it is clearly evident with all the senseless fight u people from the same country do here on this forum...we r only binded together until our needs are fulfilled, emotionally we r not that close now, and this is only because of people like u, politics on caste, religion and corrupt politicians. states don't stick together, those boundaries are imaginary; people stick together, thats how country remains unite and progress. you know how & why that unity in 'unity in diversity' works? there should be one language common all over India and that can not and will never be english, tamil, or any other regional language (where english is not even regional!); it can only be hindi, which is most widely known and understood in India. Try to make India one, unite and strong first and talk about globalization.
RE:Why Hindi?
by Arya on Feb 22, 2008 05:39 AM Permalink
Mr On why u give respect to mother tounge...? if u know the answere of this then u urself will know why we should give respect to national language which is Hindi...I am not against any language nor does i am a Hindi speaking person.. but i still believe and respect in Hindi coz it is our national language.. I know now u will say why Hindi why not other... and the discussion will go on.. India is a democratic nation and its national language should be and will be the one which is spoken by most number of Indian and that is Hindi...I would say English is welcome but offcourse after Mother tounge and Hindi....
RE:Why Hindi?
by Vivek Vikram Sridharan on Feb 22, 2008 07:56 AM Permalink
just because something is national.... we need not have it at home. for example tiger is national animal but nobody raises it at home. may be i will think about speaking hindi if some these national lingo cheerleaders have an adult tiger at home. atleast if they try to cheerlead for the national beast which is endangered. Jai hInd. P.S. I will atleast spend my bandwidth here if there is a discussion on the lost language of sanskrit. hindi is just an embryo compared to tamil, take no offence, just a fact.
RE:Why Hindi?
by ThoondilKaaran on Feb 22, 2008 06:23 AM Permalink
hindi is not national language. Even Nehru backed off from promoting Hindi as National language.
RE:Why Hindi?
by CMat on Feb 22, 2008 06:26 AM Permalink
first of all...National language is Hindi..? Officially its not yet declared by Govt of Ind.. Show or tell me where its announced like that.Even the currency notes has many languages on it
RE:Why Hindi?
by x d on Feb 22, 2008 05:32 AM Permalink
No one is forcing you to learn Hindi. Its just the politicians who are sending confusing signals and we are just believing them. These guys are spreading FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt)... we are never apply our brains to process these informations.
I donot understand, why we Indians are so insecure. Education comes under state list, and State Govt has sole right to implement them. So my dear friends, please donot feel insecure about someone forcing you to learn Hindi.
Politicians may do lot of circus acts, to send a FUD that "Hindi is coming" or Hindi would replace local language, but I donot see it happening.
wow ... going thru these messages really show true nature of us, Indians. The fact that we just cannot stand each other is proved by messages we see here. Today India has the best chance to do something great and get out of "developing nation" tag, but alas with people like these nothing is possible. On one hand, the hardworking folks of this country is really doing well to pull forward the economy and on the other hand, there are people who pull India backwards. Its like 3 steps forward and 2 step backward. Can anyone imagine kind of money we spend on law and order situations which may be riots, band, terrorism etc etc. Do you guys ever realize that this is the money you pay in taxes and this could be used to give a better life to your own kids. Well, I guess we would never realize that and its so evident everywhere.
I am from an Eastern state and by learning Hindi gave me much better job opportunity. I finished my schooling in one state and then did by bachelor and masters in two different state. This called opportunity. If you want to lose this facility, go ahead follow your favorite demagogue.
RE:Who is having the last laugh...
by ThoondilKaaran on Feb 22, 2008 06:24 AM Permalink
just because it favours you to learn hindi, it doesn't need to favour others
RE:Who is having the last laugh...
by x d on Feb 23, 2008 04:28 AM Permalink
If you don't want to learn Hindi, don't learn it. But please donot feel insecure and spread FUD (Fear, uncertainty and doubt)... we have enough of that. People should have and do have freedom of choice... its just that crappy politicians and foolish citizens keep on spreading fear.
RE:Who is having the last laugh...
by G on Feb 22, 2008 05:48 AM Permalink
You're absolutely right. This is not "unity among diversity" that we tend to symbolize with India. The reality is so different. We always fight over religion, language, region, caste and what not.
India may have developed on the economic front, but it is still way below in the "developing" category on the social front.
About forced into certain language?? I don't see any force of national language at all. It is the regionalist that are in imposing mode for their political hold.
We expect them to be controlled by language politics to make CHAOS, volatility AND CONFUSION in their life guided by their pious politicians who have reserved seat for them in heaven based on language.
RE:RE:RE:Why forcing languages is wrong?
by K Radhakrishnan on Feb 22, 2008 05:23 AM Permalink
dear d s, you north indian yourselves have decided that hindi is acceptable to everyone in india. nobody except north indian can accept hindi over their regional language. just forget it...if you dont want to learn the local language of that region then do go over there.
RE:RE:Why forcing languages is wrong?
by Bhartiya on Feb 22, 2008 10:33 AM Permalink
yes hindi is and will remain the national language. try to be with India if living in India or u will be kicked out.. people say muslims are threat to this country, but i used to say that first of all India should kick these tamilians out of the country to LTTE. u r the number one backstabber people and state in this country. but don't worry sooner or later India will neutralize u.
RE:RE:Why forcing languages is wrong?
by DS on Feb 22, 2008 05:56 AM Permalink
Dude, the problem with people like you is that you think north Indians don't have their own regional languages. I am from Rajasthan and grew up speaking Marwari. Similarly, there is punjabi, haryanvi, kinnari, gujrati and other languages. So if we learn Hindi and speak it, why should anyone else (read south and east Indians) be different?
RE:RE:Why forcing languages is wrong?
by Vivek Vikram Sridharan on Feb 22, 2008 07:57 AM Permalink
we do believe northies have their own lingo. but they are not conservative about their language, but, I think, we are . makes sense ?
RE:RE:Why forcing languages is wrong?
by ThoondilKaaran on Feb 22, 2008 06:26 AM Permalink
what u learn is for your need? your need is not national need. just because you need Hindi doesn't mean the whole India needs Hindi.
RE:RE:Why forcing languages is wrong?
by D S on Feb 22, 2008 06:48 AM Permalink
I know your type guy, no arguments. Only - there is no imposition at all.
A tamilian asks me why Hindi be called National language and not Tamil? I responded.. why English is considered International language and not spanish/french? Its easy to teach Hindi to rest of 30% people rather than teaching Tamil to over 90% of India. Why didnt one ask the logic behind accepting English as a mandatory language? Also, if forcing language is wrong, why Karuna's desicion to make tamil mandatory applauded by every tamilian? If one state should have one language, why shouldnt one country has one language?
RE:Why Hindi?
by Arrow on Feb 22, 2008 05:12 AM Permalink
The government is asking all students to learn tamil for standards 1 - 10, Which I believe is good for the kids if they were to make their lives in TN. Like I will be happy to ask my kid to learn telugu if I were in hyderabad. They arent asking them not to learn other languages.
RE:RE:Why Hindi?
by Bhartiya on Feb 22, 2008 10:30 AM Permalink
because u feel doesn't mean India feels. writing message from some remote place is easy, come and say that in front of me, i will tell u & make u as bad and junk as tamil is... people say muslims are threat to this country, but i used to say that first of all India should kick these tamilians out of the country to LTTE. u r the number one backstabber people and state in this country. but don't worry sooner or later India will neutralize u.
RE:Why Hindi?
by Arrow on Feb 22, 2008 05:06 AM Permalink
because I feel tamil is a much superior language to hindi, given its rich grammar, literary depth and age old history, the only other language is sanskrit (which I hold in high regards and is the true devnagari). I cant throw my local language and learn some junk language because majority speak that.
Solution is make sanskrit as national language, let the states & locals decide the language within states.
RE:Why Hindi?
by Bhartiya on Feb 22, 2008 10:29 AM Permalink
because u feel doesn't mean India feels. writing message from some remote place is easy, come and say that in front of me, i will tell u & make u as bad and junk as tamil is... people say Muslims are threat to this country, but i used to say that first of all India should kick these tamilians out of the country to LTTE. u r the number one backstabber people and state in this country. but don't worry sooner or later India will neutralize u.
RE:Why Hindi?
by ThoondilKaaran on Feb 22, 2008 06:29 AM Permalink
CZar, what do you mean? doesn't not make sense? Peacock is there in every Indian state forest. so it's national bird
RE:RE:Why Hindi?
by ThoondilKaaran on Feb 22, 2008 06:55 AM Permalink
sorry Czar... I got it. you r rediculing the other guy who was calling majority language Hindi as nation language...
u r right... by his logic,majority bird 'crow' should be national bird...
RE:RE:RE:Why Hindi?
by Bhartiya on Feb 22, 2008 10:40 AM Permalink
if k**lus people like u can be in India, then why not crow can become a national bird? let that be.. people say muslims are threat to this country, but i used to say that first of all India should kick these tamilians out of the country to LTTE. u r the number one backstabber people and state in this country. but don't worry sooner or later India will neutralize u.
RE:Why Hindi?
by ThoondilKaaran on Feb 22, 2008 05:16 AM Permalink
for your information, there are more Spanish speaking people in the world than English speaking world..
RE:Why Hindi?
by Kumar N on Feb 22, 2008 05:26 AM Permalink
Just to make things right, Hindi is NOT a national language as per the constitution. Both Hindi and English are official languages of India. There is a lot of difference between a national and official language. For a Tamilian Hindi is as alien as Eglish, so learning Hindi and English are the same, it is better for him/her to learn English rather than Hindi. Moreover Karunanidhi is not forcing every one to learn only Tamil, the law states that English and Tamil should be taught and it allows any one to learn any other language. Not sure how many know, Tamil Nadu education board has exams for many many languages.
Similar language laws exist in Karnataka & Maharastra. Language is a sensitive issue. If India needs to be one country, Hindi should not be imposed in any part of India.
Just a note, there was never a country called India before British came, they united bunch of territories to one country for their administrative purposes. After independence most ethnic communities agreed to remain one. Unity in diversity holds this country together. Hope Hindi language fanatics will not destroy this.
RE:Why Hindi?
by ThoondilKaaran on Feb 22, 2008 05:14 AM Permalink
Hindi was never accepted as national language by aEvell freedom fightters. Even Nehru backed off from pormoting Hindi. English is considered as international language because all the business are done in English. We don't want Tamil to be national language. but when u come to Tamilnadu, u can't get away with Hindi. the whole TN is not going to learn Hindi just because some guy who could not find a job in his home town is trying a make a home in TN.
RE:Why Hindi?
by x d on Feb 22, 2008 05:29 AM Permalink
No one is forcing you to learn Hindi. Its just the politicians who are sending confusing signals and we are just believing them. These guys are spreading FUD (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt)... we are never apply our brains to process these informations.
I donot understand, why we Indians are so insecure. Education comes under state list, and State Govt has sole right to implement them. So my dear friends, please donot feel insecure about someone forcing you to learn Hindi.
Politicians may do lot of circus acts, to send a FUD that "Hindi is coming" or Hindi would replace local language, but I donot see it happening.
People who say hindi should not be imposed. Who is imposing ? Hindi has automatically become link language in india because every state has its won lanuage. Do u want english to be rashtra bhasha ? Tell me which other language can be replaced by hindi. Our freedom fighter were no fool who made hindi national language. there was logic behind it. Marathi are totally wrong when they say hindi is being imposed on them. Every marathi alwasy speak marathi among themselve. but why should you expect gujju or southi to speak marathi ? This is nothing but dadgiri. And who is destroying marathi culture ? what a nonsense, going on in this 21st century.
RE:Hindi is just a link language for indians, who is imposing it ?
by D S on Feb 22, 2008 04:52 AM Permalink
They know Hindi is not imposed...they WANT CHAOS, volatility AND CONFUSION BECAUSE this is what their politicians have trained them into for vote politics.
RE:Hindi is just a link language for indians, who is imposing it ?
by Patrick on Feb 22, 2008 06:30 AM Permalink
if printing government entrance exams in hindi alone, asking states to respond to the central government in hindi, Chitrahaar in all states, spending over 3000 crores per year to propagate hindi and making hindi speakers PM for the first 50 years of independent india does not sound like an imposition to you then you probably have you have ostrich head or a tin ear.
Imagine if the south and bengalis did not protest it during the late 30's into the 70's
RE:Hindi is just a link language for indians, who is imposing it ?
by True Indian on Feb 22, 2008 05:04 AM Permalink
Manoj Bhai... this indeed is dadagiri. Shiv sena is just like that. they divide and rule. And as long as it remains in power, Maharashtra will remain against rest of India. Have you forgotten how SS suppoted Pratibha Patil even when their allies wanted Abdul kalam. Every riot happens first in Mumbai. Actually Maharashtra is a very ill state. People are easily befooled by their leaders. Its an unneeded state of India. I think even Bihar is better... atleast they put India first on their list
RE:Hindi is just a link language for indians, who is imposing it ?
by CMat on Feb 22, 2008 05:07 AM Permalink
Ok True Indian (?) If MH is very ill state All UP, Bihari pls leave ..and stay in some betetr states. talk to ur own ppl they will disagree with u too
RE:Hindi is just a link language for indians, who is imposing it ?
by deepak on Feb 22, 2008 05:14 AM Permalink
dear manoj, insisting hindi is dadagiri...
RE:Hindi is just a link language for indians, who is imposing it ?
by Indo Maratha on Feb 22, 2008 05:26 AM Permalink
there was a lady who once said this on forum:
All good things from marathi and marathi soceity and maharashtra - bollywood, tendulkar, mageshkar, gavaskar,etc . We north indians because we are just in majority think that we rule the roost. but that is false. we are not a 'working' majority. we should start respecting the marathis and shed our false ego.
RE:RE:Hindi is just a link language for indians, who is imposing it ?
by Indo Maratha on Feb 22, 2008 05:27 AM Permalink
RE:Hindi is just a link language for indians, who is imposing it ? by Indo Maratha on Feb 22, 2008 05:26 AM there was a lady who once said this on forum:
All good things COME COME from marathi and marathi soceity and maharashtra - bollywood, tendulkar, mageshkar, gavaskar,etc . We north indians because we are just in majority think that we rule the roost. but that is false. we are not a 'working' majority. we should start respecting the marathis and shed our false ego.
RE:Hindi is just a link language for indians, who is imposing it ?
by K Radhakrishnan on Feb 22, 2008 05:08 AM Permalink
for most of the south indians, hindi and english is same. r northies going to accept english as national language? why do u want every non hindi speaking person to learn hindi which is not even a business language... better everyone learn english...
RE:Hindi is just a link language for indians, who is imposing it ?
by CMat on Feb 22, 2008 06:33 AM Permalink
Ok Manoj this is funny "Our freedom fighters were not fool blah blah.."Dude do u know Hindi is not declared as National language officially...?? And u r mentioning even makers names...Jo bhi dil mein aay likh dete ho..??
Kumar, if you read the comments, these people are hard coded and don't understand your analogy. So many consultants from south and west live in different cities of USA like Chicago, NY, Boston...but they all speak English. Same is true for China. But they won't understand your logic. THEY(and their politician) WANT CHAOS, volatility AND CONFUSION BECAUSE this is what their politicians have trained them into for vote politics.
RE:RE:Why forcing languages is wrong?
by Kumar on Feb 22, 2008 05:03 AM Permalink
D S thank you for bringing this in prespective. I still remeber when in school my teacher used to LIE and claim in USA people need a passport to move from one state to another. When I came here I realized there is simply one national language here, English, so that people bond based on values and don't support crooks based on their narrow language bias.
