India is democracy.... and NOT 'meritocracy' like Singapore.
Hence it is imperative to maintain cultural aka caste diversity in all temples in India.
Government of India should implement 'reservations' in all Indian temples as per the 'caste' census in India.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandal_commission
1. 52% of all temple staff including Pujaris should be from OBC communities. 2. 29% temple staff including Pujaris should be from Dalits and Tribals. 3. Remaining all temple staff including Pujaris should be from other castes.
Also render PUJAS in regional or local language instead of Sanskrit.
RE:India is democracy....
by national madraasi on Feb 19, 2008 02:37 PM Permalink
and wat about mosques?? can u tell any mullah in TN not to insribe in urdu and to pray in tamil. . its easiest to criticise the brahmins. / u dont have the guts to tell the same to a mullah as u wont return home. . there is nothin called as dalit in hinduism, so why reserve them? . can u ask this to a thevar in madurai.. will a thevar marry his son to a "so called dalit" because 50%population is bc,Sc,ST and OBC? .
RE:India is democracy....
by yaaro on Feb 19, 2008 04:22 PM Permalink
good argument. But "national" madaraasi u cannot escape by pointing at Muslims. Lets agree that (educated)MUSLIMS(not the poor uneducated innocent muslims living in villages they are part of tamil culture. they donno urdu..etc etc) dont feel any attachment to the place they live in INCLUDING TN or TE(tamil eelam). Their heart and brain are in SAUDI ARABIA. But u cannot say that temple pujaris SHUDNT be from non-brahmin community. or SANSKRIT shud be the ONLY GOD-language.Actually "nationalism" is supported by many tambrams to counter tamil nationalism. I have many friends who are supportive of tamil cause and still be good brahmins....y dont u think abt this more... I hope by "national" u mean to say some1 who has 1.LEARNT NATIONAL LANGUAGE HINDI,2.Follows orthodox HINDUISM.3. Supports North INDIANS in ALL cause.4. Watches HINDI MOVIES regularly.5. Supports INDIAN ARMY (even in atrocites like in TAMIL EELAM)....well...I am not doing anything of these and still consider myself a good indian...comeon where in the world u have such tolerant and open faith as hinduism?.where in thw world do we have two classical languages..?. Just to oppose DRAVIDIAN parties please dont take anti-tamil stand (i dont see any indication of that in u but just am afraid of the word national!!)
RE:India is democracy....
by national madraasi on Feb 19, 2008 06:04 PM Permalink
well yaaro.. . ur definition of nationalism is different frm mine. my father was a very senior officer in the iadian army. . i know around 6 languages including tamil.i am not orthodox, i support indians and not north indians alone.i watch decent movies in all languages which are rather less in tamil now.. . wat proof u have in claiming the attrocities of indian army in SL? . i am not at all anti tamilian in nature. tamil is a great language. i oppose those who have taken a patent of tamil language like karuna. . ya tamil should be a part of temple culture and the preist too can be from any caste if he is devoted to god. i believe in this theory. There needs to be a debate on this . i am a brahmin and say that all brahmins are not good. There is no difference between indian and tamil nationalism. . both are the same. if u are referring to caste system and the brahminical presence in temples, its due to the bhakti only. . ya we need to abolish the caste system. it should not be only for brahmins..u as atamilian have u ever opposed the thevar's attrocities on SC and ST? . PMK is a vanniar party.. have u ever opposed that. just because i am a brahmin and support the national cause, it does not mean i am anti tamil. . if opposin india is tamil cause, then i prefer to be an anti tamil nationalist
I agree that the Tamils in Sri Lanka were marginalised by the Sinhalese, but what LTTE are doing is not the solution for that. It is open secret that DMK and some of its allies still clandestinely support LTTE. We cannot support LTTE's claim to an independent nation as that would make our own country vulnerable against similar threats by different seperatist and terrorist groups. The Tamils in Tamilnadu should also understand this.
RE:LTTE is merely a Terrorist Organisation
by Nostra Damus on Feb 19, 2008 01:56 PM Permalink
The Bangladeshis were a terrorist organization too when they rebelled against the State Government of Pakistan, yet now they are treated as freedom fighters ! For sheer hypocrisy, can anybody beat Indians ?
RE:RE:LTTE is merely a Terrorist Organisation
by Brahmana Vessy on Feb 19, 2008 02:03 PM Permalink
When those who fought for Freedom Struggle can be called FREEDOM FIGHTERS then LTTE should also be called as FREEDOM FIGHTERS.
When those who is fighting for AZAD KASHMIR can be called FREEDOM FIGHTERS then LTTE should also be called as FREEDOM FIGHTERS.
LTTE is not a terrorist organization like RSS, VHP, Bajrangi
RE:RE:RE:LTTE is merely a Terrorist Organisation
by goodfellas on Feb 19, 2008 04:49 PM Permalink
India calls Kashmiri Freedom fighters as terrorists. I will not call names to your LTTE people as I am least interested in your tamil stuff though I hope goodness for all. I however do keep track of news and will like to remind you that RSS, VHP etc, unlike LTTE, does not get involved in Prostitution, hawala, arms trade, narcotic business etc to raise funds. You seem to be a regular tamilian who is ungreatful, dirty and criticizes without any knowledge or study what so ever.
Mind your language before you comment on RSS etc, if you do not mind your language or respond to this message abusively then i am bestowing the most filthiest abuse on you in anticipation.
There has been a lot of confusion over the caretakers of tamil and the problem in SL. . The SL tamils have been marginalised and thus LTTE was born. . With due course of time LTTE started killing tamils who wanted peace and wanted a seperate state and equal status for tamilians in SL. . LTTE got diverted from its main aim and became a demon which wants LTTE as the sole represent of tamils. IT is not interested in tamilians and peace. It wants a seperate nation and it is being aided by people who want LTTE as thier laboratory as was afghan for pakistan. . LTTE is the biggest threat to the peace loving tamils in SL. Prabakarans family can live in UK and enjoy whereas ordinary tamil should be ready to die like a dog. . Some people in india want to replicate the eelam episode in india. some have started to write poems. . Some DMK left overs in this forum will blame the brahmins for this as it is the easiest thing in TN. . They will sit here like cowards and comment on SL and LTTE, no one has got the guts to go the battle front. . Wat to do.. TN has had a legacy of dubious politicians who are chauvinistic in talk and sacred at home. . All the people cant be cheated all the time. . Some leftovers will oppose my comments.. , Jai hind
RE:tamil cause and LTTE,DMK cause
by Brahmana Vessy on Feb 19, 2008 01:17 PM Permalink
Mr. National - How many of our Brah** has gone to Kashmir to fight Pakistan.
Our concept of MANU is outdated tell our Community leaders.
RE:tamil cause and LTTE,DMK cause
by national madraasi on Feb 19, 2008 02:19 PM Permalink
the maximum officers to fight indian army from TN are from brahmins, . lets not divide ourselves into castes. . can u tell me why LTTE kills tamil leaders.? why prabakarans family sits in UK while tamils die daily.
RE:RE:RE:tamil cause and LTTE,DMK cause
by national madraasi on Feb 19, 2008 02:28 PM Permalink
every one knows that his whole family lives in the UK. . if u dont want to believe this bitter truth i cant help it. . a recent report in the media has confirmed this including the tamilnet of LTTE
RE:tamil cause and LTTE,DMK cause
by yaaro on Feb 19, 2008 05:34 PM Permalink
madhivadani..is in VANNI and VANNI is in EELAM.His son charles is a part of LTTE air wing....ambi(sorry this is how i call my dearest brahmin friends also...hope u dont mind) first read a lot on this problem...JUST for teh sake of opposing Dravidian parties dont oppose tamil cause.... Prabhakaran doesnt need to die to prove that he is a true tamil...may be tambrams thought thats the way to prove themselves true indians...u can be good indian and good tamilian simultaneously...please think abt this problem and decide whether u shud support eelam...DONT READ "THE-HINDU" alone and form ur ideology
i dont read the paper " the hindu" its one the chinese mindset papers in india. i dont have any regard for that paper.. . u can call me ambi, it does not hurt me. . i am not against the cause of the tamils in lanka. i know they have been tortured and marginalised by the sinhalas there. . i am against the so called fathers of tamil in tamilnadu who dont know anything. . anti LTTE does not mean anti tamil.. different people can have different thoughts right. . do u support the killing of tamils by LTTE. Any one who supports the sinhala govt for peace is killed by the LTTE. . do u want LTTE to recruit children and women. i am against that.. . dont u think the LTTE has lost its goal.. . many people in TN and Lanka(tamils) oppose the LTTE. do u think all are brahmins.
RE:RE:RE:tamil cause and LTTE,DMK cause
by national madraasi on Feb 19, 2008 02:26 PM Permalink
this year 2 param veer chakras were given to brave soldiers from TN, both were brahmins. . the great sundarji and padmanabhan were tamil brahmins only. . ya brahmins dont fight DMK because if u throw a stone on shit , the shit splashes on u. . hope u understand
RE:RE:tamil cause and LTTE,DMK cause
by perumal shiva on Feb 19, 2008 01:30 PM Permalink
No Sl Tamil want to live like a slave in the hands of Sinhalis. That is the reason why even small children and women are ready to take arms in their hand. After all who the hell in this world want to die as slave except indians. Indians were taken taken as bonded labourers all over the world by the then Britishers and we accepted the treatment and still feel proud in it. Why do you want the Sl Tamils to die as Indian tamils. Let them fight for their rights and perish under the mother earth till they achieve it. It is better to die rather than living as a slave in this world.
RE:tamil cause and LTTE,DMK cause
by TruthTeller on Feb 19, 2008 01:36 PM Permalink
Choth*ya national madraasi.. Do u think that SL govt won't disturb tamils in SL after destroying LTTE? Do u think that SL govt will give equal rights to SL tamils?
I think u have gone mad or u r from Singala terrorist group.
Most of the people from TN are supporting LTTE except Jayalalitha..
RE:RE:tamil cause and LTTE,DMK cause
by national madraasi on Feb 19, 2008 02:24 PM Permalink
well.. tum yeh dikhana chaathe ho ki tumhe hindi aati hein. . If that is the case then let UN intervene like in Kosovo and yugoslavia. then let a seperate nation be born. . wat is the guarantee that LTTE will not kill tamils who oppose them, wat is the guranatee that they will stop drug trade and stop child soldiers.? . i have talked to SL tamils, trust me they dont like the LTTE, they just want peace and LTTE does not want peace.. . well to do and sensible tamilian people in SL have run away from lanka to places like norway,canada, UK and whole of europe. / its easy to comment sitting here. ground realities are different. . i want peace to prevail in lanka for tamils as well as the sinhalas. . LTTE is not the sole representative of tamils.
RE:tamil cause and LTTE,DMK cause
by yaaro on Feb 19, 2008 04:36 PM Permalink
national madaraasi...I think u read "THE HINDU" regularly. This "LTTE is not the sole representative of tamils". is definitely THE HINDU voice. FYI Mr.N.RAM the "truth-teller"(!!) of INDIA is a receipient of SRILANKA RATNA...DO We need any more info to judge him?? Can u in 10 seconds thinking name just 2 EELAM tamils who are representatives of tamils APART FROM LTTE-PRABHA?. (its very nice of u to accept LTTE as atleast ONE of teh representatives!so atleast u browse other news papers i think). u wud say KARUNA as representative i think...if u dont get the names u can go to THEHINDU office and ask... dear friend please read SL history and think ..please...Brahmin need not ALWAYS be against tamil cause..
RE:RE:RE:tamil cause and LTTE,DMK cause
by Sivaprasad on Feb 19, 2008 02:28 PM Permalink
Its them sensible Tamil diaspora all over the world who ar supporting LTTE struggle for independnce. Them sensible ones in UK EUROPE US are supporting financially. without their support there will be no war or not struggle.
RE:tamil cause and LTTE,DMK cause
by national madraasi on Feb 19, 2008 02:40 PM Permalink
the financial support to LTTE comes from Drug trade and not from people in europe. . the arms are given by missionary nations and comunist countries like china,belarus and east europian nations
RE:tamil cause and LTTE,DMK cause
by ganesh shyam on Feb 19, 2008 02:19 PM Permalink
Only the stupid politicians r doing & not the people of TN...We hv our own problems to worry..Biggest blunder "LTTE killed Rajiv Gandhi..so they lost the best support...Now nowhere to go & all the Jaffna well to do Tamils hv run away by emigrating while the poor ones are forced into war or refugee in TN...
RE:tamil cause and LTTE,DMK cause
by Nostra Damus on Feb 19, 2008 03:55 PM Permalink
Rajiv Gandhi was no supporter of tamils. He viewed the tamils with condesncion. he kept changing rules and suddenly in the end decided tamils should give up independence and live under the insults and discrimination of sinhalas and he would be the overlord of both. these pompous beliefs finished the creation of the Best Ally India could hope to have, if there was a separate tamil state. But intelligent politics was never the hallmark of the cow dung worshippers.
RE:RE:tamil cause and LTTE,DMK cause
by Sivaprasad on Feb 19, 2008 02:21 PM Permalink
well said Truth teller.
Jayalalithaa is a shame on the Tamil race all over the world. If MGR was alive, he would not let ADMK go anti-tamil.He was pro-SL Tamils though he was a malayalee.
