i definitely feel pakistan is great country bcoz of the way it treat its women...polygamy(4 wives for 1 man and instan talaq for men) is definitely a great concept and must b made available in india also if we have to prosper
RE:need for shariat laws in india
by Confused Mind on Feb 18, 2008 05:33 PM Permalink
You can have that in India also by converting to Islam. That is the whole foundation and basis of minority rights and minority forum. This is the basic hidden agenda behind all these fancy names and being secular by so-called AIMPLB (personal laws of muslims) and very cleverly they try to include christians who do not believe in any of these but rather follow the mainstream laws.
Chapman Cohen, in his "Theism or Atheism," clearly states: "We know that man does not discover God, he invents him, and an invention is properly discarded when a better instrument is forthcoming. To-day, the hypothesis of God stands in just the same relation to the better life of to-day as the fire drill of the savage does to the modern method of obtaining a light. The belief in God may continue awhile in virtue of the lack of intelligence of some, of the carelessness of others, and of the conservative character of the mass. But no amount of apologizing can make up for the absence of genuine knowledge, nor can the flow of the finest eloquence do aught but clothe in regal raiment the body of a corpse."
Religion arose as a means of explanation of natural phenomena at a time when no other explanation of the origin of natural phenomena had been ascertained. God is always what Spinoza called it, "the asylum of ignorance." When causes are unknown, God is brought forward; when causes are known, God retires into the background. In an age of ignorance, God is active; in an age of science, he is impotent. History attests this fact.
"The single and outstanding characteristic of the conception of God at all times, and under all conditions is that it is the equivalent of ignorance. In primitive times it is ignorance of the character of the natural forces that leads to the assumption of the existence of Gods, and in this respect the God idea has remained true to itself throughout. Ev
RE:Religions and gods
by Confused Mind on Feb 18, 2008 12:42 PM Permalink
All religions other than Islam have more or less accepted this idea and hence have declared themselves as secular, with one-law, uniform civil code and gender equality put in place. Islam only one religion which is still fundamentalist. Because that is the only religion which declares itself as State religion, unquestionable, unchangeable. Fundamentalism does not exist in other religions today as majority believe it is a waste of time. All others are open to logic, dialogue, reform, reason and change; and mostly all have adopted the same value system of one-law and equality. A fundamentalist is one whose fundamentals are incorrect. It is a real waste of time arguing whether there is one god, no god, or 360 gods. It is year 2008 now. We need to grow up and Be mature. There is nothing there in any religion. Just use common sense, accept equality of all human beings across race and gender, women's equality and just focus on excelling in talent, skills, knowledge, education, excellence and action in the form of work, life, sports, arts, science, technology, music, films, theater etc. We will find the true meaning of life and break free from various romantic ideas and false dreams that are going on in our head. We will find that in almost all cases we are the cause of our own misery and mediocrity. When we do not push ourselves and crib around we only lose out in life here in this beautiful earth. Only thing we need to guard ourselves is from ego, stagnation, hypocrisy caused eit
RE:RE:Religions and gods
by JGN on Feb 18, 2008 01:17 PM Permalink
Confused Mind, how can Islam change? How dare you question The Koran transmitted by the "most merciful Allah" to Mohammed thru wireless telegraphy? It has to remain in the same form till the end of the world (Day of judgement). After that there is no need for any religion or god!!!!!!!!!!!!
Man has been living on this planet some 50,000 years. Jesus appeared 2000 years ago to save mankind and Mohammed appeared about 1400 years back. What of those countless millions of men that died before Christ or Mohammed came to save the world from damnation? If the Christian creed, that except a man believes in the Lord Jesus Christ he cannot be saved, is maintained, or the muslim beliefs that only those who "submit to the Allah" have a chance to enter the "Paradise" then it must be that those millions of human beings who lived before Christ or Mohammed and had no chance to believe, are in hell-fire.
RE:Absurd beliefs
by acommentor on Feb 18, 2008 01:47 PM Permalink
One reason why Islam must be rejected outright is because of the belief "millions of human beings who lived before Christ or Mohammed and had no chance to believe, are in hell-fire". There is no logic.
RE:Absurd beliefs
by JGN on Feb 18, 2008 04:11 PM Permalink
What is logical to you? Some absurd belief that if you blow yourself up "in the cause of allah" you will be rewarded with virigns, river of wine, water, fruits, etc in the "Paradise" ????
Religion is not the product of civilized man. Man inherits his god just as he inherits his physical qualities. The idea of a supernatural being creating and governing this earth is a phantom born in the mind of the savage. If it had not been born in the early stages of man's mental development, it surely would not come into existence now. History proves that as the mind of man expands, it does not discover new gods, but that it discards them. It is not strange, therefore, that there has not been advanced a new major religious belief in the last 1300 years. All modern religious conceptions, no matter how disguised, find their origin in the fear-stricken ignorance of the primitive savage. - Dr. D.M. Brooks
Nietzsche, the great liberator of modern thought, vigorously opposed religious morality, the influence of Christianity, and all religious beliefs. "When the natural consequences of an action," he wrote, "are no longer looked upon as natural, but are considered to be produced by the phantasms of superstition, by 'God,' 'Ghosts,' and 'Souls,' and appear as 'moral' consequences, as rewards, punishments, guidance and revelation, then the whole basis of knowledge is destroyed; and the greatest possible crime against humanity has been committed."
Human society was divided on lines of caste, creed, color and tribes, and consequently was plunged into the valley of conflicts and tribulations. Caste based on birth was propounded by vested interests, guided by the principle of selfish pleasure and geo-socio-economic sentiments with the sole motives to perpetuate economic exploitation over the ignorant mass. Same is the case with racial sentiments. The "purity" and vanity of racial superiority associated with religious dogmas is a glaring case of vested interest psychology.
It is irrational, illogical, conservative and dogmatic to divide humanity on the bases of external differences. This sort of psychology is the product of evil forces. How to get rid of this sort of mentality and establish a universal social order? If right thinking people and well-wishers of the society wanted to form a peaceful world order, the following factors should be integrated:
(1) universal social outlook based on Neo-Humanism
(2) availability and guarantee of minimum requirements of life
(3) common penal code based on cardinal principles of life
(4) a progressive and rational socio-economic theory
(5) social codes of conduct for justice, discipline and social solidarity
(6) logical and scientific views of life and world free from dogmas and superstitions
(7) a spiritual-moralist leadership free from geo or class sentiments
Of course I ask myself why superstition is so widespread and why 99.99% of people believe in some form of God. Because of uncertainty and death, people cannot cope with the absoluteness of non-existence. So they invented an after-life and gods because it is useful. I have no doubt that this is the only life. I have and I'd better make the best out of it - Lord Meghand Desai
(Lord Meghnad Desai may not be correct on the percentage of non-believers. Almost 15% of world's population are now irreligious atheists - JGN)
RE:absolutely right
by Enoch Stephen on Feb 18, 2008 10:42 AM Permalink
These guys are even worst. They would wear Burkha and tamper with the ball inside. Burkha becomes sheld before wicket. Their would be no LBW for them. They can catch in Head scrafs. They can hide their identity and bat multiple times. If even if they wont win they would hide a terrorist bomber to blow up the stadium.
RE:absolutely right
by Golden on Feb 18, 2008 10:50 AM Permalink
sarcastic comments are not gonna help. during early age of mecca too people used to talk like this and insult muslims. when one God concept was given, they said, our 360 gods are not able to help us what this 1 God will do but very soon (in the next 23yrs) the whole world accepted the supremacy and brilliance of Islam and started making ties with them. time is not far when same thing will happen again. our enemies have not changed, looters have not changed, crimes have not changed then how come we shall change and not return to the right path and how come we shall not get our guaranteed success. soon very soon you will see that islam is leading the right path people and all those enemies are on their knees. this is verse from quran, now i want some of you to abuse this verse and see the effect very soon. any one who abuses quran Allah doesnt pardon him. very soon you will have leprosy if you abuse divine scriptures.
RE:absolutely right
by Enoch Stephen on Feb 18, 2008 10:55 AM Permalink
Sorry, who is abusing ur religion man. We were just discussing on Burkha. By the way ur religion is always abused world over. Sorry to say that. So please look into urself or ur religion. Because time has come when Islam has got to pay for its curses, Murders, women rights, terrorism, population explosions etc..
RE:absolutely right
by Tom on Feb 18, 2008 11:11 AM Permalink
"now i want some of you to abuse this verse and see the effect very soon. any one who abuses quran Allah doesnt pardon him. very soon you will have leprosy if you abuse divine scriptures."
RE:absolutely right
by Enoch Stephen on Feb 18, 2008 11:19 AM Permalink
Who has'nt condemned Islam. Which country hasn't. Why having such a false pride.
RE:absolutely right
by Rajan on Feb 18, 2008 11:37 AM Permalink
Helo Golden, read story and enjoy ! why you get tense ?! Monkey's were disturbing farmer's banana plantations,they use eat un-ripped bananas and other fruits in the garden.so farmer tried his level best to control them by stick,crackers he failed, then he took Gun, again he failed!!, finally he thought to "play one Drama" he kept some good banana & other fruits which was mixed with Bhang! and kept those fruits and some sticks near to his farm, monkeys came as routine, they ate all fruits, they got "mad" then they start fighting each other with sticks,hit one another without cause! after an hour all monkeys were laid in the earth, some of them dead !, some of them seriously injured,!! farmer watching whole Drama by sitting near his farm and he felt happy that, now he could reap harvest of bananas and fruits without problem
RE:absolutely right
by Golden on Feb 18, 2008 10:44 AM Permalink
you have no idea about muslims or islaimc dresss code, no where it is mentioned musilms must wear robes and head gear. muslims have fought war also did they wear this there. you have lost your mind and losing it day by day as things are not happening according to your desire. muslims countries are going through changes and more you press them, they will rebounce back with pure form of islam. any way if you talk about dress code. what about your demi god tendulkar wearing a dhoti and showing his pendulam and batting... what will happen to his next generation if any ball goes in his dhoti. any idea.
RE:absolutely right
by Enoch Stephen on Feb 18, 2008 10:48 AM Permalink
Golden is again ashamed of reveling that he is Muslim. I think he is wearing Burkha. Secondly, my dear friend, did u forget ur Lal Masjid Maulan, ran along with women waring Burkha, after the episode in Pak. and was paraded in TV with Burkha on, in front of National Adudience. Shame.
RE:RE:absolutely right
by Golden on Feb 18, 2008 10:52 AM Permalink
only women wear burkha. why should i hide or reveal any thing. i am here to tell the truth. did i tell you that i am from cow urine drinkers community or something else. you are making your own perception towards me. i believe in what i believe. golden is my real name. i am knowns by this name. i think i was given thisname in my childhood for my support to truth no matter what.
RE:RE:RE:absolutely right
by Enoch Stephen on Feb 18, 2008 11:01 AM Permalink
Eat dog shit or Cow urine or pray to ur own dick. But before u die do something good for ur country, for others. What ever gives u peace should be praised. Golden look at Humanity first. Burkha, murder, Vendalism, extra sensitivity are not the solution. 6 yrs old Aysha married to Muhammad is not a social practice. I bet even if today a True Muhammad comes and tell u that I wana ur 6yrs old daughter or sis in marriage, so that i could teach womenhood how to lead life - would never be convincing to u. This is a real abuse and pls learn to condemn it first.
