It only a few terrorist from Muslim Community who give a bad name to the whole Community. Similarly it is only Thackeray clan that gives a bad name to the whole Maharastrian community. Days of Amch Mumbai have gone bhau!!
true what you said. MNS wants bad blood, law and order situation. Who looks bad - the President, PM, Home Minister. Two of those 3 are marathi. The old enemies of Thacrey types (some of them affiliated even to RSS) and are playing from behind Marathis. Certainly declaring orgs such as MNS as terrorist is step one and those who want to escalate this crisis from wherever.
Shivaji became prominent due to his family being patronised by Muslims. Later the British used him through handlers at British East India company's Bombay presidency office. Due to no other example, Shivaji imitated Aurangazeb from his dress to even his title Chatrapati which is not very different from Alamgir. Hindu swarashtra and being crowned King were strategies that the British drilled into his ear. When the Brahmins refused to crown him, it was the British who mediated on Shivaji's behalf to make some form of coronation even possible. The records of Bombay Presidency make it very clear that the coronation of Shivaji was a very important british strategy to create various centers of power in India to break Muslim rule.
RE:Hidden truths about Shivaji
by D S on Feb 17, 2008 12:12 AM Permalink
So let MNS be happy that Shivaji's Marathi clan of Patil's are at top position. After British, the North Indians ( include Sikh) gave them the patronage.
- Why can't an indian know what is inside the closed rooms of Taj Mahal?.
- Why can't an indian know whether babri masjid was built by demolishing Ram Mandir or not?
- If an Indian cannot even buy a land in Kashmir, why should we call that place as part of India?
- How the Christian missionaries own so many schools?. How did they get it? If the british donated them, isn't that from the money they loo ted from india? Then why aren't they public schools?
- If an indian need permit to enter into NE, why should he/she call that part as their nation? [American and many european do not require visa to visit many foreign countries but an indian need a permit to visit his own country.]
- Why we call india attained freedom?
- Why Raj Thakkery was released instead of hanging him to death? Are they afraid of rowdys? Then why we need police and army?
I am a Hindu and not against my fellow muslims or chirstians, but I want to know the truth and a fair deal. I can not call cowardice as Secularism for convenience because i am not a vote bank politician or India's Cancer(Ghandhi family), I am just a citizen.
I want to fight for the freedom. I cannot call Aug 14 as a day india got freedom. Can RSS do that without stepping into the rights of minorites? Will they hold Raj Dharma or will that sit quiet as they did during the riots in Gujarat. Getting the right should not become intolerance of other faiths.
RE:Why 'Free???' india is so afraid of Truth?
by roadster on Feb 17, 2008 01:13 AM Permalink
if you start rewinding you will need to pull up everything and what difference would that make, millions still live in poverty, squalor, eat from dustbins, have sores all over their body, India fast becoming diabetes and aids capital of the world these are more practical issues you should be addressing. if you have ever lived in US you would know why religion has no place with the govt and they are truly democratic asking answers on their healthcare plans, defence preparedness, economy issues, housing market crash, gasoline prices , child education, foster children care, elderly citizens welfare just to name a few. US has more people from different parts of the world yet they function as a country and not bicker around on religion castes etc. Im amazed at how shallow your thinking is regarding all the issues you raised. ihave lot of muslim friends and they dont share any radical views rather they feel no matter how hard they try someone will bring back babri, ayodhya godhra and keep targeting innocents similarly with hindu friends who are from backward segments but doingreally well now becuase of economic boom but even at workplace during interview time they get sidelined . as for christians ever tried touching a leprosy patient and asking him his welfare every donated every penny from your earnings to send overseas to start a orphanage there are so many unsung stories and heroes who silenty sacrifice all they have for humanity what you should appreciate is that whatever edu
RE:Why 'Free???' india is so afraid of Truth?
by pappupirate on Feb 17, 2008 12:02 AM Permalink
>- Why can't an indian know whether babri masjid was built by demolishing Ram Mandir or not?
But then as an Indian dont you want to know if Ram was real and indeed born in Ayodhya, exactly at the spot where the Babri masjid stood?
I think time has come now for everybody to be more introspect. Everybody writes and writes but does the same thing. In India there is so much hatredness among different state people.
This is not time to attacj Raj Thackery or somebody else. It is time now to find out what does central government done so far to prevent these kinds of fight among people from different states?
If people are left to decide what they want or not want then this is all we get.
Central Government should come out strongly and put down some policies regarding what are the rights and responsibilities of people when migrate from one state to another state. It should be clear on the papers. It should be objective written statements. Otherwise these confusions will persist forever.
In the modern world migration is ineveitable. So the central government should come out with what are the righta and responsibilities for both migrating people and local people.
It is important that somebody should educate Raj Thackery kind of people and explain them in which direction the world is going. The world is mixing and assimilating at a rapid rate. And this will be the future human trend. Everybody has to accept it.
But then some guidelines should be made. Local people's interest should be protected as well. It needs some extra ordinary effort to solve this kind of problems since lot of emotional issues are here. What has the Central Government did so far to improve the relationship betenn people fr
Hi Tarun, this was a very well crafted piece and it echoed my feelings too with in proper words. However dont you think that instead of using religion as a tool for building the country, can we not have good manners being inculcated in our fellow citizens to avoid these kind of conflicts. I am very sure RSS has that kind of roots within the country that we can inculcate basic things like: 1. Good Manners. 2. Respect for other people. 3. Respect for the nation we live in. 4. Have the basic courtsey of being honest.
rather than preaching hindutva and sanatan dharma. I am very sure that our nation is still immature enough to even understand what our revered Vedas have to convey. One would need a basic premises of the above four points to create a foundation for the nation to understand the concept of Hindutva.
Raj is a kid with an imbecile brain of a ass. But he is a product of something as uncouth as a combination of all above four keys missing.
When ever we have problem, we look for some one to blame. If a Marathi does not have a job, it is easy for a leader to blame a UP guy who has job in that state. British used this technique very well in a subtle fashion. The caste and religious quarrels of India are planted by the British followed by the Indians themselves later in a very subtle way. They elevated those who are advantage to them too. That could divide the nation and kill millions.
- Why can't a indian know what is inside the closed rooms of Taj Mahal?.
- Why can't an indian know whether babri masjid was built by demolishing Ram Mandir or not?
- If an Indian cannot even buy a land in Kashmir, why should we call that place as part of India?
- How the Christian missonaries own so many schools?. How did they get it? If the british donated them, isn't is from the money loo ted from india? They why aren't they public schools?
- If an need a permit to enter into NE why should he/she call that part as their nation? [American and many european do not require visa to visit many foreign countries but I an indian need a permit to visit his own country.
- Why we call india attained freedom?
I am not a hindu and not against my fellow muslims or chirstians, but I want to know the truth. I can not call cowardice as Secularism.
I want to fight for the freedom. Is RSS the only hope?
RE:why 'free???' india is so afraid of truth?
by pappupirate on Feb 16, 2008 11:44 PM Permalink
>- Why can't an indian know whether babri masjid was built by demolishing Ram Mandir or not?
But then as an Indian dont you want to know if Ram was real and indeed born in Ayodhya, exactly at the spot where the Babri masjid stood?
RE:why 'free???' india is so afraid of truth?
by Rupakshi on Feb 16, 2008 11:54 PM Permalink
Sure, That is fine. Investigations go on all the time. No is stopping if some one wants to investigate if Rama was real or not. That ends no where. But Babar was only 500 years ago. Any village idiot tells you the destruction of hindu temples by the invaders. In Pakistan, no temple is essentially left. But for a Masjd which no one has been using, when it is a disputed land, it only right to see what is under that ground. If we are Muslims, and it was not a majid but a hindu temple, it would have been bulldozed without even a note in any news paper.
RE:why 'free???' india is so afraid of truth?
by ananth K on Feb 17, 2008 12:06 AM Permalink
Ram is real or not is not a business of India or Indian. Its a business of world hindus and particularly Ram bhakth.
But as a Indian I should now whether there was a temple or not. Govt need not to know if check if Ram was born there or not and if Allah is there or not.
