RE:MUHAMMED'S LUST FOR ZAINAB - A FALSE PROPHET
by salim on Feb 14, 2008 08:45 PM Permalink
First doesnt sound logical to you to accuse a Person of sensuality when he was a Monogamist up until the age of 50?Muhammed married other wives only after his first wife Khadija died when he was at the age of 50.. Dont you think it would be unnatural for some one to become lecherous after 50?Contrast this with the time when kings and commn man took pride in many wives,this Man Muhammed was a Monogamist till 50.. It may now make sense to you that his marriages didnt have "sex" as the primary motive...
RE:RE:MUHAMMED'S LUST FOR ZAINAB - A FALSE PROPHET
by salim on Feb 14, 2008 08:46 PM Permalink
Doesnt it ever occured to you one doesnt have to take the trouble of marriage to have sex? Marriage is responsibility and ask those who indulge in flesh pressure wether they would like to marry. If Prophet was like that he would have simply enjoyed the relativily free sex culture of that time..why he has to radically transform the society from treating adultery as fun to punishing them the most stringent punishments? One the one had you guys accuse Muslims as repressors of human sex freedom on the other hand you guys accuse us of promoting promiscuity.. why this blatant self contradiction?
RE:MUHAMMED'S LUST FOR ZAINAB - A FALSE PROPHET
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 08:51 PM Permalink
>>>>>>>>>>>>Dont you think it would be unnatural for some one to become lecherous after 50?...........it is not at all unnatural. Today's Mumbai Mirror has a news item on the front page itself on some "love guru' aged about 54 years who married his student of 24 years and was suspended from the College for that!!!!!
Btw Mohammed remained with one wife till her death due to fear of her. She was his employer. Now compare the woman like Mohammed's first wife and the condition of women in Saudi now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:RE:MUHAMMED'S LUST FOR ZAINAB - A FALSE PROPHET
by salim on Feb 14, 2008 09:05 PM Permalink
It is possible for one be lecherous at 50 if he was leceherous in his prime youth,but it is natural to become lecherous after 50.
You can impute many motives that he is afraid and scared of his employer and thats why he didint marry others and so on.. A man who changed the course of world history for ever is afraid of his wife?? You must be out of your mind
RE:MUHAMMED'S LUST FOR ZAINAB - A FALSE PROPHET
by salim on Feb 14, 2008 08:42 PM Permalink
Many of the Islam experts (???) here vomit the same rubbish written in hate websites by authors who claim to be experts. One such Moronic author is AliSina - This guy gives has put up a open challenge to Muslims to debate him-The fact is he refused to have face to face debate in any place on earth citing the threat to his life.After this muslim scholors have agreed to have pure voice debate and where he can remain completely anonymous.He still refused.
How come,Poor Muslims who cannot shout down his website which is running for years can detect him through his voice debate??
The real fact for Alisina refusing the debate is - He neither belives in his own truth(???) nor the courage to say it(even through PURE,PURE voice debate) Anyway - Here is one of Islamic sites that exposes this liar and also has plenty of email debates.Ali sina too hosts these debates but check both the versions and see the truth for yourself
RE:'They wanted to make my son a suicide bomber'
by Confused Mind on Feb 14, 2008 08:36 PM Permalink
JOIN THE FASTEST GROWING CLUB ============================ The status of women in Muslim countries is well-known; so they can as well stop their lie-factory. Based on their mental evaluation, my club, has decided to offer them honorary life membership to the most elite group which we call - "Losers United". But they have the choice not to accept it as we get stiff competition from many cartoon grps like theirs who protest against cartoons. But we are the flag bearers of mediocrity & madness, murder & mayhem, misguidance & darkness for millions here. Please join - "Confused Losers Club". Membership is running out, as mediocre people are joining in droves. We are better than Islam.
RE:Things to be condemned in ANY religion by sadaChiddi on Feb 14, 2008 08:13 PM In an islamic country if some one worships a hair , he will most likely be mocked and punished for his superstitious belives This is a influence of paganistic belief system
RE:@sada chindi chor
by mmspm on Feb 14, 2008 08:27 PM Permalink
very good
hair worshipping muslims get punished bcoz of their superstitious believes.
But muslims become terrorists to gain 72 virgins by activities like bomb blasting, burning trains, butchering non-muslims, hijacking planes etc., Jihad is not superstitious. Thats permitted in islam
RE:@sada chindi chor
by salim on Feb 14, 2008 08:42 PM Permalink
Many of the Islam experts (???) here vomit the same rubbish written in hate websites by authors who claim to be experts. One such Moronic author is AliSina - This guy gives has put up a open challenge to Muslims to debate him-The fact is he refused to have face to face debate in any place on earth citing the threat to his life.After this muslim scholors have agreed to have pure voice debate and where he can remain completely anonymous.He still refused.
How come,Poor Muslims who cannot shout down his website which is running for years can detect him through his voice debate??
The real fact for Alisina refusing the debate is - He neither belives in his own truth(???) nor the courage to say it(even through PURE,PURE voice debate) Anyway - Here is one of Islamic sites that exposes this liar and also has plenty of email debates.Ali sina too hosts these debates but check both the versions and see the truth for yourself
RE:to Salim, Naqvi etc...
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 08:29 PM Permalink
Beachy Babes, it seems that you are an ignorant guy. How can a humanbeing modify something that was transmitted by an all powerful almighty thru wireless telegraphy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
1. Condemn a religion that teaches you hate against those who don't blong to it..! 2. Condemn a religion which promotes gender bias. 3. Condemn a religion which divides people by any means. 4. Condemn a religion which refuses to exercise discretion. 5. Condemn a religion which doesn't allow itself to be condemned...
PS: Please use your discretion and then only accept these points. This applies to ALL religion...more so to ISLAM because of the globalized problem of Jihad
RE:Things to be condemned in ANY religion
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 07:58 PM Permalink
Dear secret, to some extent all religions are responsible for the hatred towards the followers of other religions. Unfortunately Islam is more so right from the beginning.
The sooner we all get rid of the religious dogmas, the better for the whole man-kind.
Pl visit the web of "Actual Freedom - the third alternative" This is an alternative to organized religions.
RE:RE:Things to be condemned in ANY religion
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 08:12 PM Permalink
balaord, I don't know for what reason he converted. 2 days back I read the message of a Muslim from Saudi telling that many Christians working over ther convert to Islam as they are offered double the salary on conversion. Many of them return to their original religion after leaving Saudi. So the conversions are more for personal benefits rather than any belief in the ideology of any religion.
I suspect that many white-skinned people in various Ashrams, etc in India are in fact spies of foreign countries. A few years back a US organization called "CARE" was caught by the Security Agencies and found involved in subversive activites and asked to wind up their operations.
RE:RE:RE:Things to be condemned in ANY religion
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 08:43 PM Permalink
Dear balaord, I really wonder why even well educated persons like you are so fond of religious dogmas. Pl tell me very frankly whether you believe in the "Islamic Paradise" and all those rewards awaiting there!!!!!!!!!!
RE:Things to be condemned in ANY religion
by secret on Feb 14, 2008 08:12 PM Permalink
do you understand the difference between an atheistic and an agnostic ideology..
becuase some scientist conveted to Islam doesn't add any value to it..probably it inflates your religious ego..
waht will you do if he converts back agin..fatwa??jihad?
pls come up with something intelligent...i'm not asking for much am i???
RE:Things to be condemned in ANY religion
by sadaChiddi on Feb 14, 2008 08:13 PM Permalink
In an islamic country if some one worships a hair , he will most likely be mocked and punished for his superstitious belives This is a influence of paganistic belief system
RE:RE:Things to be condemned in ANY religion
by secret on Feb 14, 2008 08:20 PM Permalink
why do you worship Khaba..why go all the way to mecca for Haj..if idol worship is not approved..??
RE:RE:RE:Things to be condemned in ANY religion
by dot on Feb 14, 2008 08:27 PM Permalink
who worships kaba man the problem with you people is that u are ignorant and think u know everything
RE:Things to be condemned in ANY religion
by secret on Feb 14, 2008 08:54 PM Permalink
pls enlighten then..if you know it then..
if you prove me wrong...then you are doing a great service to me, because you changed my false perception...so pls go ahead i will not be disapointed, hurt or angry...my relogion gives me the freedom to qn what it tells me and since reasoning is GOD-given i use it in all contexts...
RE:Things to be condemned in ANY religion
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 08:23 PM Permalink
sadaChiddi, in an Islamic country, if a girl is in a car with an ex-boy friend she faces gang ra-pe by five and on top of that 200 lashes also!!!!!!!!!! What a great justice system!!!!!!!!!!! And of course they cannot prevent henious crimes like ra-pe!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:RE:Things to be condemned in ANY religion
by dot on Feb 14, 2008 08:29 PM Permalink
JUST GONE NUTS (JGN)YOU HAVE NITHARI , KIDNEY RACKET ,CHARA GOUTALA AND HIGHEST RAPE RATE (USA) IN WHOLE WORLD , SAUDI HAS THE LOWEST CRIME RATE IN WORLD
RE:Things to be condemned in ANY religion
by secret on Feb 14, 2008 08:36 PM Permalink
dot on....we know about all this because we have freedom of speech...in saudi either your throat will be slit or hands cut and labelled a KAFIR
RE:Things to be condemned in ANY religion
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 08:37 PM Permalink
SAUDI HAS THE LOWEST CRIME RATE IN WORLD...........the same Saudi is No.1 in human-rights abuse!!!!!!!!! Speak a word against the Ruling family and the person will not see the sun rise on the next day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! do you remember the Emergency in India? We were also not having much crime during that period!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:RE:Things to be condemned in ANY religion
by secret on Feb 14, 2008 08:19 PM Permalink
ok will do...my mail id mailtosecret@rediffmail.com
i started with 'Volga to Ganges' and read thro' many communist books including das capital...however my real-life experiences - personal, observed and reported tell me that a proletariat is a myth...as man is instinctively capitalistic...
RE:RE:RE:Things to be condemned in ANY religion
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 08:25 PM Permalink
Dear secret, I have studied Industrial Psychology also. The first lesson we learn is "basically all human beings are selfish" We evaluate every action of a human being from that angle.
Communisim is a good ideology (to each according to his need and from each according to his ability). But many communist leaders turned dictators and harmed the ideology beyond repair. Something better has to be devised for the well being of all mankind!!!!!!!!!!!
do not believe in any god. The god/gods were created by vested interests to befool the gullible masses.
The so-called holy books are creations of surrealistic visionaries and are no more serious than Gulliver's Travels or Aesop's Fables or Mullah Nasiruddin Stories.
But if you say that there is "one god", I will prove that there can be many gods!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE:@salim
by Confused Mind on Feb 14, 2008 07:52 PM Permalink
JOIN THE FASTEST GROWING CLUB ============================ The status of women in Muslim countries is well-known; so they can as well stop their lie-factory. Based on their mental evaluation, my club, has decided to offer them honorary life membership to the most elite group which we call - "Losers United". But they have the choice not to accept it as we get stiff competition from many cartoon grps like theirs who protest against cartoons. But we are the flag bearers of mediocrity & madness, murder & mayhem, misguidance & darkness for millions here. Please join - "Confused Losers Club". Membership is running out, as mediocre people are joining in droves.
RE:@salim
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 07:51 PM Permalink
Dear mmspm, these people can argue with only the ignorant hindus. They cannot take on seasoned atheists like me. No one will dare to debate.
RE:@salim
by Sarath Chandra on Feb 14, 2008 07:58 PM Permalink
Debate presupposes that a theory can be falsified. No religion can be falsified as they are based on faith. Therefore, in debates, atheism and agnostism are the only winnable ones as religions only can appeal for faith which can be used to prove any and every statement. Anyway, usually these forums are filled with hindu vs islam stuff; you argued well against Islam, but people won't be too happy to know that you are anti-hinduism too :). And by the way, Hi! It is nice to see you again and the arguments were good.
RE:@salim
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 08:05 PM Permalink
Dear Sarath Chandra, nice to meet you also. I am not anti-religion (Islam or hinduism or any other). I am pro-atheism. Differentiate between the two.
People like me only try to make others understand the futitlity of religions and belief in some life here-after. Life on planet earth is the only thing known to us. Enjoy that to the fullest extent without causing any problems for others (even if we cannot help them in any way).
RE:RE:RE:@salim
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 08:09 PM Permalink
balaord, I don't know for what reason he converted. 2 days back I read the message of a Muslim from Saudi telling that many Christians working over ther convert to Islam as they are offered double the salary on conversion. Many of them return to their original religion after leaving Saudi. So the conversions are more for personal benefits rather than any belief in the ideology of any religion.
I suspect that many white-skinned people in various Ashrams, etc in India are in fact spies of foreign countries. A few years back a US organization called "CARE" was caught by the Security Agencies and found involved in subversive activites and asked to wind up their operations.
RE:RE:balaord's posts
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 08:00 PM Permalink
Do you think only fanatic muslims are allowed to have ego? I am very much proud of my country and its culture (don't confuse culture with religion).
The folk arts of Muslims and Christians and all other natives of India are all my cultural heritage.
RE:balaord's posts
by JGN on Feb 14, 2008 07:54 PM Permalink
Dear balaord, the proof of pudding is in eating!!!! Write "sugar" on a piece of paper and lick it. No taste. Put some sugar instead!!!!!!!
1. Constant conditioning about adverse consequences 2. Delusional belief of perceived supremacy. 3. Vague statements about benefits in after life 72 virgins etc... 4. Even greater pressure and imminent danger in denying islam and its doctrines being a Muslim...
No wonder that Muslims behave more as mobs than as free-thinking individuals across the world..
