RE:CHOP HANDS, CUT THROATS, STONE PEOPLE
by Debu on Feb 12, 2008 03:32 PM Permalink
If this is what Islam has to teach to its people, the the world really has a situation to handle. Such barbaric idiots have no place in this time and place.
Dear Brothers / Sisters, I have few things to say just to clarify & avoid the misconceptions / misunderstandings which are there in the minds of Few Muslims & Few Non Muslims: The word Jehad (Arabic Word)basically means or stands for "Struggle / Strive" which can be very commonly applicable to each & every one either for an Individual or for a group irrespective of the relegion whether it may be Muslims / Non Muslims. Striving or Struggling to achieve or to get some thing is called Jehad. Every Human Being Strives or Struggles to achieve or to get some thing, so here every human being does Jehad. So Jehad means no way called as Holly War. Non of the Islamic Authantic books including Quran & Hadees Says Jehad means Holly War. So Jehad has nothing to do in Killing or Terrorising Innocent People. A True Muslim who sencerely & whole heartedly follows Islam & it's True & Scientific Principles Never ever think of killing Innocent People who has done no harm to him. If some body doing such a barbaric killings what is happening aroung the world & what has happened in Gujarat, he is not a true Muslim even if he is a Muslim by name or Just cot by Police & concluded as the barbaric Killings done by the Muslim Person. No one becomes a Muslim Just by the name itself until & unless he follows the Islam & its Scientific Principles Sencerely & whole heartedly. If somebody is doing some thing for his own personal purpose or gain either & blaming the entire religion (Islam) does not give a pro
RE:RE:Misconception / Misunderstanding followed by few People who mislead the entire comunity.
by nazeer hussain on Feb 12, 2008 03:34 PM Permalink
Some People see some thing or read's some thing & understand's differently, which will not be as per the actual, that is not there mistake, it's all depends on the knowledge / Perception & Maturity of the people. In the same way as per your reply, You read the Quran but U understood Negatively, I can only say feeling pity on you that your Maturity & knowledge is still not sufficient to Understand the actual weightage of Glorious Quran (The word of Al Mighty God). If you read really & Understood properly you will never speak in such a negative way about Islam. My Message does not critized any other religion but gave a possitive sense but your Message has a Negative Impact / Negative Feeling on Islam. Never critizise any other religion as a whole just based on your readings, assumptions unless U understand the basics & Principles properly. Try to make your Massage in a positive sence even if your intentions are negative / positive which makes the people interesting in reading the messages.
90% of muslims were told the ADULTERATED VERSIONS of the terms Jehad and Kafir and it was propogated for the vested interests of the Islamic Spiritual leaders. jehad is still a holy war that ones wages on oneself to come out of the illusion with which one perceives the universally existing divnity or GOD OR ALLAH as individual and seperate from self. Jehad doesnot mean to kill out people who donot grow beards and who donot do body level or mind level namaz 5 times etc, and And the word Kafir means anyone who doesnot have a realization or personal experience of the ALL PERVADING DIVINITY that is within everyone and in everywhere and evenbeyond the creation and that powers the universe. Just blind belief in something doesnot make a person bliever and others non-believers and ONLY PERSONAL EXPERIENCES OF THE ALL PERVADING DIVINITY MAKES A PERSON BELIEVER. THIS MEANS 99 percent of the Islamic community practices ADULTERATED VERSION OF JEHAD and 99percent Of ISLAMIC WORLD PRACTICES ADULTERATED VERSION OF KAFIR. I BOW TO THOSE 1 percent saints WHO ARE FOLLOWING THE CORRECT MEANING OF KAFIR AND JEHAD terms.
RE:RE:MOST CURRENT MUSLIMS GOT ADULTERATED VERSION OF ISLAM NOW
by sridhar gorantla on Feb 12, 2008 02:39 PM Permalink
"Inclusion in one of these four castes originally depended not on a man's birth but on his natural capacities as demonstrated by the goal in life he elected to achieve," an article in East-West for January, 1935, tells us. "This goal could be (1) kama, desire, activity of the life of the senses (Sudra stage), (2) artha, gain, fulfilling but controlling the desires (Vaisya stage), (3) dharma, self-discipline, the life of responsibility and right action (Kshatriya stage), (4) moksha, liberation, the life of spirituality and religious teaching (Brahmin stage). These four castes render service to humanity by (1) body, (2) mind, (3) will power, (4) Spirit. "These four stages have their correspondence in the eternal gunas or qualities of nature, tamas, rajas, and sattva: obstruction, activity, and expansion; or, mass, energy, and intelligence. The four natural castes are marked by the gunas as (1) tamas (ignorance), (2) tamas-rajas (mixture of ignorance and activity), (3) rajas-sattva (mixture of right activity and enlightenment), (4) sattva (enlightenment). Thus has nature marked every man with his caste, by the predominance in himself of one, or the mixture of two, of the gunas. Of course every human being has all three gunas in varying proportions. The guru will be able rightly to determine a man's caste or evolutionary status.
Serious evils arose when the caste system became hardened through the centuries into a hereditary halter.
RE:RE:MOST CURRENT MUSLIMS GOT ADULTERATED VERSION OF ISLAM NOW
by sridhar gorantla on Feb 12, 2008 02:38 PM Permalink
UNDERSTAND ORIGINAL CASTE SYSTEM CLEARLY AS BELOW, THEN YOU WILL UNDERSTAND HOW IT WAS MISUSED IN PAST AND THEN YOU CAN EFFECTIVELY FIGHT AGAINST IT. IF YOU NOT KNOW WHERE IT WENT WRONG HOW CAN CORRECT IT.
The origin of the caste system, formulated by the great legislator Manu, was admirable. He saw clearly that men are distinguished by natural evolution into four great classes: those capable of offering service to society through their bodily labor ( Sudras); those who serve through mentality, skill, agriculture, trade, commerce, business life in general (Vaisyas); those whose talents are administrative, executive, and protective%u2014rulers and warriors ( Kshatriyas); those of contemplative nature, spiritually inspired and inspiring (Brahmins). "Neither birth nor sacraments nor study nor ancestry can decide whether a person is twice-born (ie, a Brahmin);" the Mahabharata declares, "character and conduct only can decide."Manu instructed society to show respect to its members insofar as they possessed wisdom, virtue, age, kinship or, lastly, wealth.
Riches in Vedic India were always despised if they were hoarded or unavailable for charitable purposes. Ungenerous men of great wealth were assigned a low rank in society.
"Inclusion in one of these four castes originally depended not on a man's birth but on his natural capacities as demonstrated by the goal in life he elected to achieve," an article in East-West for January, 1935, tells us.
RE:RE:MOST CURRENT MUSLIMS GOT ADULTERATED VERSION OF ISLAM NOW
by sridhar gorantla on Feb 12, 2008 02:39 PM Permalink
Social reformers like Gandhi and the members of very numerous societies in India today are making slow but sure progress in restoring the ancient values of caste, based solely on natural qualification and not on birth. Every nation on earth has its own distinctive misery-producing karma to deal with and remove; India, too, with her versatile and invulnerable spirit, shall prove herself equal to the task of caste-reformation.
"To a certain extent, all races and nations observe in practice, if not in theory, the features of caste. Where there is great license or so-called liberty, particularly in intermarriage between extremes in the natural castes, the race dwindles away and becomes extinct. The Purana Samhita compares the offspring of such unions to barren hybrids, like the mule which is incapable of propagation of its own species. Artificial species are eventually exterminated. History offers abundant proof of numerous great races which no longer have any living representatives. The caste system of India is credited by her most profound thinkers with being the check or preventive against license which has preserved the purity of the race and brought it safely through millenniums of vicissitudes, while other races have vanished in oblivion."
THIS ABOVE EXPLANATION IS FROM WORLD FAMOUS BOOK "AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A YOGI" by Sri SWAMI PARAMAHAMSA YOGANANDA.
RE:MOST CURRENT MUSLIMS GOT ADULTERATED VERSION OF ISLAM NOW
by sridhar gorantla on Feb 12, 2008 02:38 PM Permalink
If you understand and interpret Manusmriti correctly with your intuition rather than mere words and literal way, you will find what is told at large in Manu smriti as corret about the caste system. I am posting correct interpretation of the original caste system and not the adulterated caste system below.
RE:MOST CURRENT MUSLIMS GOT ADULTERATED VERSION OF ISLAM NOW
by sridhar gorantla on Feb 12, 2008 03:05 PM Permalink
Dear shekar suman, Even in Geetha, when Lord says Karma, then what does it mean by that. It means Karma keeps on affecting the character or bent of the mind o f aperson. When a soul passes from one life to other life, it is not the work or the material level aspects of life that gets passed on, but the mind level level tendencies or character that gets passed. So, in the long term scenario, only a character of a person is what need oto be looked at to determine if the person is having complete Sattava guna or not and not the work. If you look at gross karma, then you may get to misinterpret the meaning of Bramhin, since a person may be very saintly but the person may be doing the work of a butcher or the person may be doing menial work, yet the person may be in constant communion with the ALL PERVADING DIVINITY. This means, only CHARACTER ALONE CAN DETERMINE THE TRUE CASTE OF A PERSON. THUS CHARACTER IS THE DECIDING FACTOR FOR ORIGINAL CLASSIFICATION OF CASTE SYSTEM THAN BIRTH. BIRTH OF A PERSON IS NOT THE CRITERIA, BUT THE RESTRICTIONS ON MARRIAGES SHOULD BE THERE TO PREVENT UNFRUITFUL OR NEGATIVE EVOLUTIONARY PERSONS.
PERSON WHO IDENTIFIES (AND ACTS) SELF AS SOUL (MOST OF THE TIME OR ALL OF THE TIME), CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS BRAMHIN
PERSON WHO IDENTIFIES(ACTS) SELF AS WILL POWER, CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS KSHATRIYA
PERSON WHO IDENTIFIES(ACTS) SELF AS MIND, CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS VYSYA
PERSON WHO IDENTIFIES(ACTS) SELF AS BODY AND SENSES, CAN BE CLASSIFIED AS SUDRA.
RE:All people in the disuccion board fighting for Islam
by sridhar gorantla on Feb 12, 2008 02:29 PM Permalink
Watch your words Jehadi. Above all, your fake name tell directly that you are here to propogate hatred among Indians by using fake name and by writing hatred related stuff.
I DONOT KNOW WHAT RELIGION YOU FOLLOW, BUT I AM PRETTY SURE THAT YOUR RELIGION DOESNOT ALLOW A PERSON TO PROPOGATE HATRED AMONG OTHERS. IF YOU ARE TRUE BELIEVER OF YOUR RELIGION, YOU CAN STOP PROPOGATING HATE WRITINGS. Rest, leave it to your conscience.
RE:All people in the disuccion board fighting for Islam
by sridhar gorantla on Feb 12, 2008 02:42 PM Permalink
Is it not true that you are digressing and making others also digress from the original point or topic of discussion and trying to make it a fight of religions? If yes, what truth are you trying to propogate? Is it not the fighting?
