There is a fool out there that has written about Professor Will Durant in a post below.
Let us see what Professor Durant has written on Islam and its impact on Indian Civilisation.
Professor Durant writes "...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without and multiplying from within."
Professor Durant calls islamists as barbarians.
Read the Book for further details on how Islam took the world and particularly India towards dark ages.
Muslims are the true morons for following an evil ideology.
RE:Muslims - Lie through their teeth in the assumption that people dont bother to verify the Original Sources
by sadaChiddi on Feb 09, 2008 11:49 AM Permalink
Islamic conquest of India- first clarify me where was India at that time?
RE:Muslims - Lie through their teeth in the assumption that people dont bother to verify the Original Sources
by prakash on Feb 09, 2008 11:52 AM Permalink
india can be talked in civilizations terms , that is what unites us , note that India was united under on king many tiems before...
RE:Muslims - Lie through their teeth in the assumption that people dont bother to verify the Original Sources
by sadaChiddi on Feb 09, 2008 11:54 AM Permalink
So if you have to talk of a particular "land's" greatness,then you made a poor case because all the so called dgreat places are now part of Pakistan-Harappa and Muhenjendaro.
RE:RE:Muslims - Lie through their teeth in the assumption that people dont bother to verify the Original Sources
by prakash on Feb 09, 2008 12:00 PM Permalink
i talked abt civilization that is alive from ancient times spreading the meassage of reightousness and peace froma nceint times ...not some relics or antiques
RE:Muslims - Lie through their teeth in the assumption that people dont bother to verify the Original Sources
by Rash on Feb 09, 2008 11:50 AM Permalink
MAHATMA GANDHI Speaking on the character of Muhammad, (pbuh) says in YOUNG INDIA:
"I wanted to know the best of one who holds today's undisputed sway over the hearts of millions of mankind.... I became more than convinced that it was not the sword that won a place for Islam in those days in the scheme of life. It was the rigid simplicity, the utter self-effacement of the Prophet, the scrupulous regard for his pledges, his intense devotion to this friends and followers, his intrepidity, his fearlessness, his absolute trust in God and in his own mission. These and not the sword carried everything before them and surmounted every obstacle. When I closed the 2nd volume (of the Prophet's biography), I was sorry there was not more for me to read of the great life."
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by prakash on Feb 09, 2008 11:57 AM Permalink
Gandhi, after the thousands of hindus were killed and thousands raped during khilafat movement in kerala by msulims..he said " the muslims are just expressing their faith the way they best can",..he did not utter a word of thousands of hindus killed or raped by muslim for no reason...do not call him a mahatma..he is another third rate politician
RE:Muslims - Lie through their teeth in the assumption that people dont bother to verify the Original Sources
by Rash on Feb 09, 2008 12:00 PM Permalink
This is your problem you want to give the Mahatma tag to those who takes thousands of innocents lives like Modi.... You want to make him Hero just because he butchered thousands of innocents muslims... Open your dead mind man...
RE:Muslims - Lie through their teeth in the assumption that people dont bother to verify the Original Sources
by sadaChiddi on Feb 09, 2008 11:50 AM Permalink
Many morons here dont have any standing on Indian history, thats why they color the Mugal rule as Hindu vs Muslim fight. The truth seems strange to many The Great Hindu King Rana Pratap's military general is a Muslim - Hakim Khan Suri The Great Maratha King - Shivaji's trusted Military general is -Haider Ali Kohari; Ibrahim Khan and Daulat Khan were prominent in the navy; and Siddi Ibrahim was chief of artillery.
the issue doesnt end here Aurangazeb relied on the Hindu King Raja Jai Singh to defaet Shivaji
This is how the Mughals and the Hindu kings lived.RSS and their sister organizations dont want you to know this,because their favourite pass time is to pit Hindus and Muslims citing Mughal rule in India
RE:RE:Muslims - Lie through their teeth in the assumption that people dont bother to verify the Original Sources
by prakash on Feb 09, 2008 11:55 AM Permalink
traitors on sale on both sides all the time, you got muslims soldiers fighing for american bidding in Iraq,pakistan and afhgnistan and and you got islamic terrorists fighting against it...end of your logic...
RE:Muslims - Lie through their teeth in the assumption that people dont bother to verify the Original Sources
by sadaChiddi on Feb 09, 2008 11:57 AM Permalink
Being a Muslim is a matter of faith.Nothing to dow ith birth.I was told all the bullets fired during jalianwalabah came from Indian soldiers on the orders of their british masters. It would be stupidity of me to argue that Indians are born traitors because of this history
RE:RE:Muslims - Lie through their teeth in the assumption that people dont bother to verify the Original Sources
by prakash on Feb 09, 2008 11:59 AM Permalink
how abt slaves coz 1400 years of islmic and company rile, the perfect dhimmies better than slaves...
RE:Muslims - Lie through their teeth in the assumption that people dont bother to verify the Original Sources
by sadaChiddi on Feb 09, 2008 12:01 PM Permalink
what?I dont understand your point at all.. what you mean?can you be atleast coherent if not truthful??
RE:Muslims - Lie through their teeth in the assumption that people dont bother to verify the Original Sources
by Ismail Sayyed on Feb 09, 2008 11:47 AM Permalink
If I judge Hinduism on the basis of sati system alone then i would be at fault.
if u want to tell something about islam then read quran and not the news headlines
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by prakash on Feb 09, 2008 11:53 AM Permalink
can you show me one case of sati in last 20 years but i can show you thousands of beheadings and millinons of killing of non belivers , etc int he name of silam let us start...
RE:Muslims - Lie through their teeth in the assumption that people dont bother to verify the Original Sources
by dharmesh vyas on Feb 09, 2008 12:18 PM Permalink
Your that book is totally useless stone age book
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by Rash on Feb 09, 2008 11:52 AM Permalink
The famous poetess of India, SAROJINI NAIDU says:
"It was the first religion that preached and practiced democracy; for, in the mosque, when the call for prayer is sounded and worshippers are gathered together, the democracy of Islam is embodied five times a day when the peasant and king kneel side by side and proclaim: 'God Alone is Great'... I have been struck over and over again by this indivisible unity of Islam that makes man instinctively a brother." (S. Naidu, IDEALS OF ISLAM, vide Speeches & Writings, Madras, 1918, p. 169)
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by prakash on Feb 09, 2008 12:02 PM Permalink
after jumma prAYERS , LISTENING TO MESSAGE OF PEACE FROM MASJID MULLAH DIRECTLY QUOTING FROM QURAN, THE MUSLIM START RIOTS , MASACRES..RIGHT .YES PEACE...SAROJINI NAIDU IS ANOTHER DHIMMI RETARD
RE:Muslims - Lie through their teeth in the assumption that people dont bother to verify the Original Sources
by Rash on Feb 09, 2008 12:04 PM Permalink
Now im certain you have been brainwashed by filthy RSS shakha... Whoever talks somethign positive you call that persom dummy... So it means you will be always induling in RSS teachings...
RE:Muslims - Lie through their teeth in the assumption that people dont bother to verify the Original Sources
by prakash on Feb 09, 2008 12:08 PM Permalink
i never been to any sakha, but i still think RSS sakha is million times better than teachings of mohammed
RE:Muslims - Lie through their teeth in the assumption that people dont bother to verify the Original Sources
by JGN on Feb 09, 2008 12:17 PM Permalink
The general policy of most of the rulers during the 700 years of Muslim occupation of India was to systematically replace the fabric of Hindu society and culture with a Muslim culture. They tried to destroy Indian religions, language and places of knowledge (universities e.g Nalanda and Taxshilawere totally destroyed by Muslims). They destroyed and desecrated places of thousands of temples including Somnath, Mathura, Benaras, Ayodhaya, Kannauj, Thaneswar and in other places. There was wholesale slaughter of the monks and priests and innocent Hindus with the aim to wipe out the intellectual bedrock of the people they overran.
The Muslims could not subjugate India with ease and were never able to rule it entirely. There was a valiant and ceaseless struggle for independence by Hindus to deliver India from Muslim tyranny. The Rajputs, Jats, Marathas and Sikhs led this struggle in North India. In the South this struggle was embodied in the Vijayanagar Empire. This struggle culminated when the Marathas ended the Muslim domination of India.
Professor Durant writes "...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without and multiplying from within."
Professor Durant calls islamists as barbarians.
Read the Book for further details on how Islam took the world and particularly India towards dark ages.
RE:Will Durant on Islam - History of Civilisation Part 1 (Our Oriental Heritage)
by sadaChiddi on Feb 09, 2008 11:45 AM Permalink
Singha whom are you talking to? I dont have that book,but in the dicussion thread i same one balaord refering will durrant's website..Go and argue with him dont jump out if the blue and say without speciyfying the recepient
RE:Will Durant on Islam - History of Civilisation Part 1 (Our Oriental Heritage)
by Ismail Sayyed on Feb 09, 2008 11:48 AM Permalink
What you are promoting is the idea that religion is the main reason for our problems.
May I say something shocking? Religion is not the major cause. Almost without fail, Problem are caused by people intoxicated by power and influence and inflict pain and suffering on others. While it is very popular to blame religion for virtually everything these days, a simple honest look at the realities reveals that religion is not the source of the problem. Often time "Religion" is made the scapegoat.
If you want to judge how good is the latest model of the "Mercedes" car and a person who does not know how to drive sits at the steering wheel and bangs up the car, who will you blame? The car or the driver? But naturally, the driver. To analyze how good the car is, a person should not look at the driver but see the ability and features of the car. How fast is it, what is its average fuel consumption, what are the safety measures, etc.
RE:Will Durant on Islam - History of Civilisation Part 1 (Our Oriental Heritage)
by sadaChiddi on Feb 09, 2008 11:47 AM Permalink
I want to help you and have cut and past the thread.enjoy Singha - I challenge you for refering to Historian Will Durant. Have you really read his books?Read his Age of Faith If you couldnt read just go to his website and see the review of his book and what he thinks of Islamic civilization
willdurant.com/bio.htm
just see the section Age of faith (search the page)
Go and bluff your wisdom to bigots , not to me.. Just check his won website and see Age of faith This singha stupid , refers to Will Duranat in his reply and asking people to read. Let them read and see what this Historian thinks of Islamic civilization. In the own website of will durrant.
The website says this
Volume IV, The Age of Faith (1950), was another Leviathan, running to 1,196 pages, but it covered three civilizations -- Christian, Moslem and Judaic -- through a thousand years, from Constantine to Dante, A. D. 325 to 1321. It included some 200 pages on Mohammedan culture in its great days at Baghdad, Cairo and Cordova. Never before has a Christian scholar, in one volume on the Middle Ages, given such ample recognition to the achievements of Islam in government, literature, medicine, science and philosophy. And the three chapters on medieval Jewish life show a surprisingly sympathetic understanding of what might have seemed an alien culture. Professor Allan Nevins, of Columbia University, wrote of this book:
Now educated muslims( Engneers MMBS) are becoming terrorists.what do u say about this?
Ever any Muslim condemned MF hussain's paintings???/
Why could not MF hussain painted his own mom and sis naked??
No Muslim in india condemned MF Hussain That Joker escaped and is hiding in Dubai
The Kashmir finance minister asking for a separte currency for kashmir..
Muslims don have a social service netwrok rather they having SIMI to promote terrorism
Why they always justify terrorism saying it is jihad
Can you answer why the hell an indian Kafeel ahmed( Educated with sh...t brain) went long way to UK for bombings?And what motivated him to kill inocent people?He has Nothing to do with UK.
You can see educated Muslims helping pakistani trained terrorists to carry out their activites in INDIA
RE:Answer my questions
by Ismail Sayyed on Feb 09, 2008 11:49 AM Permalink
If it helps in anyway, I, as a muslim would like to say that - Islam is the the only religion that made sense and worked for me. Other religions were difficult for my limited intellect to grasp. And I do not doubt the sincerity of those who follow other religions. I do not doubt that they derive spiritual benefit from it. I have seen it in sincere Hindus, Christians and Buddhists. Heck, I have also seen sincere athiests whose spirituality I do not doubt. Spirituality, for me, is about the integrity of the human being as a whole - his conscience, intentions, words and actions. I do not measure spirituality from words alone. I will also add that the greatest trails of being a muslim for me have been the attitude of muslims themselves.
I hope the above helps a little bit in creating some room in your mind to accomodate a feeble good opinion of a muslim when you encounter one in your life. At the end of all this discussion, what I pray for is that we do not harbour ill feelings by default against adherents of another faith. To me, that is of utmost importance than what one thinks of islam.
RE:Answer my questions
by chandra sekar on Feb 09, 2008 12:27 PM Permalink
Mr.Sayyed , your message is refreshing but certain to be overwhelmed by whatever is happening around us. I have never had any bias against anyone, i am a born Hindu, Studied in a christian mission school and worked in a muslim country for a decade , but oflate i find myself taking sides, pained by the loss of innocent lives all around the world by the extremists of a particular faith. I am helpless.
Islam and Muslims are two different things. It is possible to dislike Islam while still liking Muslims. I dislike Islam because it is violent, repressive, misogynist and intolerant. Unfortunately, some Muslims try to implement their religion as it is, and so we get atrocities like killing lakhs of innocent people
RE:ISLAM IS THE WORS EVER CRIME ON HUMANITY
by Ismail Sayyed on Feb 09, 2008 11:50 AM Permalink
It is disheartening to see people spewing abuses on each other's religion and one trying to prove one's religion as Holier than Thou. Dear Friends, it is a high time we do away with our parochial mindset and be sensitive towards all religions and be tolerant. This could reduce the spate of communal violence.
Many morons here dont have any standing on Indian history, thats why they color the Mugal rule as Hindu vs Muslim fight. The truth seems strange to many The Great Hindu King Rana Pratap's military general is a Muslim - Hakim Khan Suri The Great Maratha King - Shivaji's trusted Military general is -Haider Ali Kohari; Ibrahim Khan and Daulat Khan were prominent in the navy; and Siddi Ibrahim was chief of artillery.
the issue doesnt end here Aurangazeb relied on the Hindu King Raja Jai Singh to defaet Shivaji
This is how the Mughals and the Hindu kings lived.RSS and their sister organizations dont want you to know this,because their favourite pass time is to pit Hindus and Muslims citing Mughal rule in India
RE:The whole point of treating Mugahal rule as exclusive Hindu vs Muslim fight is a farce
by Singha on Feb 09, 2008 11:34 AM Permalink
Then why the hell was pakistan created and why the hell did muslims in India demand and get a separate homeland.
You should also know that Maharaj Ranjit Singh and Peshwa Baji Rao took muslim wives.
RE:The whole point of treating Mugahal rule as exclusive Hindu vs Muslim fight is a farce
by sadaChiddi on Feb 09, 2008 11:41 AM Permalink
Maharaj Ranjit Singh and Peshwa Baji Rao took muslim wives-so what is your point..? you also want to talke some Muslim wives..???
RE:The whole point of treating Mugahal rule as exclusive Hindu vs Muslim fight is a farce
by sadaChiddi on Feb 09, 2008 11:39 AM Permalink
You should ask that Question to Jinnah and the Jan Sangh who put this idea on Indian minds. Muslims are not the only one to blame.. Any group which feels threated will resort to such ideas We had Sikhs doing that We had some North East people attempting a seperate land we all know sri lanka I think you might also be aware of IRA in UK and ETA in spain. There is nothing "Muslim" about it,it is all insecurity or feeling of alienation.thats all
The day we delete these two words...you Mullahs will be perished..Mind it and it is not that we never dare to do or finish..Don think in this way..Very soon we all hindu's becoming hardcore hindu fundamentalists and we don any regrets for that.
Appealing to all muslims..they day is very near when my all hindu brothers will become hardcore fundamentalists soon..before that please leave our country ASAP
