I was looking at the census data and some other internet sources on population composition in Indian cities. There are more Biharis in Kolkata than in any other metropolitan city in India including Mumbai (Kolkata has 60 percent non-Bengalis, mostly Biharis). But Kolkata people do not have any party like Siv Sena. And I don't know is there such hate there as well?
RE:Biharis etc in Kolkata
by Abhishek Roy on Feb 14, 2008 06:36 AM Permalink
There is certainly such hatred in Kolkata too... not to generalize anything but from my personal experience I have seen that Bengali's are one of the most regionalism minded ppl, for them Bengal and being Bengali is above everything else. Remember how they put up rallies and even dare to boycott Indian team every time Dada is kept out of the team.
RE:Biharis etc in Kolkata
by Rambothu S on Feb 14, 2008 06:51 AM Permalink
That is bad. I was just trying ratinalize the absence of parties like Siv Sena. I strongly feel though the ganguly episode was not regionalistic, it was more to do with hurt feelings by a foreigner. I have been closely watching, his exclusion now did not make such an impact, though on form he is better now than he was then
RE:RE:Biharis etc in Kolkata
by Abyss on Feb 14, 2008 09:41 AM Permalink
Bengalis are the worst of them all. They are just Bengali. They can never become Indian. for them its only 'amaar sonaar bongaal"
Abu Azmi is ISI agent and a traitor. Police commissioner of Mumbai in 1997 had filed an affidavit against Samajwadi Party's Maharashtra state president Abu Asim Azmi, saying he was working for Dawood Ibrahim. Last year, he incited muslim mob in mumbai to riot which directly lead to death of two policemen.. People will not forget nor forgive traitor Abu Azmi.
There is a limit to how many people Mumbai or Maharashtra can accommodate. No doubt about that. Certainly these places cannot accommodate all of Bihar and UP and the question is why should they ?? Has anybody thought about this ?? It is high time that we the people of this country decide on this issue which has serious implications on all areas that affect quality of life. Raj Thakerey's protest against UP and Bihars (not all Northies as media says) is the first step in that direction. So why should Raj be blamed ?? When DMK supports LTTE why is there no concern about regionalism ?? When Akalis install the portrait of Gernail Singh Bihdrawale in Dam Dami Taksal (who wanted to break up India) why was there chilly silence among the desh Bhakts ?? When Bengalis openly rioted to protest against exclusion of Saurabh Ganguly from Indian Cricket team where were the media that cries foul against regionalism?? When Biharis were slaughtered in Assam why was media silent?? Where was all the love for biharis then ?? The truth is people from UP and Bihar have swamped the states like Delhi, Orissa, Assam, Maharashtra and Rajasthan. Wherever they go they start behaving like they are in Azamgarh or Siwan. They do not respect the culture in which they go. Raj Thakeray's fight is against those that want to convert maharahstra into azamgarh or Siwan. This fight is not for jobs or resources but to maintain local culture and avoid lawlessness of UP and bihar.
RE:There is a limit to how many people Mumbai or Maharashtra can accommodate
by Attatar Yena on Feb 14, 2008 05:15 AM Permalink
(CONTD..)Lalu and Amarshing should drown in chulu bhar pani because it is their failure that people from UP and BIhar are flocking to other states. What have they done to improve the situation in UP and Bihar?? Before commenting on what is right and wrong these leaders should get out of their AC cars and mix with common people instead of partying with bollywood celebrities. Just ask what people of Orrisa, Delhi, Assam, and Rajasthan think about people from UP and Bihar and you will know why the Raj Thakeray got so much support in Maharashtra
RE:There is a limit to how many people Mumbai or Maharashtra can accommodate
by ABHISHEK VERMA on Feb 14, 2008 12:23 PM Permalink
Dear Attatar , It is not about UP and Bihar.Their are plenty of good people.Lots of marathis ,Punjabis,Rajsthanis,and orissa are also bad and cheap. It is about individual.By the way ,lalu has realised and doing good for bihar and railway .but what is the contribution of marathis for independence except killing Mahatma Gandhi. What about lots of marathi in Bihar at present,i know them .what about lots of marathi in Uttar pradesh ,i know that also. Marathis actually never knew about unity if u see the back ground, what about lots of marathis in uttaranchal. I can say more---------------. At last ,there is no end ,else this country is owned by everybody, why can not raj hakre take care of poor people ,how he got so much of money.he is doing cheap politics.
think and throw lalu,mulayam ,amarsingh,raj thakre out of this country ,we do not require them , we have lots of software engineers and good enterpreneurs.
RE:There is a limit to how many people Mumbai or Maharashtra can accommodate
by Kiran Veer on May 04, 2008 06:00 AM Permalink
Buddy, Please read history since 1600 century and then you will understand what is contribution of Marathi people in independence.
On other side people like you will go on other forums &say Gandhi has divided the country and blame him also.
RE:There is a limit to how many people Mumbai or Maharashtra can accommodate
by Abhishek Roy on Feb 14, 2008 06:39 AM Permalink
How pathetic of you!! Why do all the Mumbaikar's think that they are driving the entire Nation. Till there are ppl like you in India there would never be unity and we would fail to be called Indians.
The problem is the mass migration of poor North Indian to better developed part of India. There is a lot of issues with North india, caste system is more rigid there and enslave a good third of the North indian population. The other two third of the population just want to keep their old priviledge and refuse any intellectual and social development. How can North Indian societies progress? All indians need to work together to solve this social problem.
RE:North India has to moved at the same pace as the rest of India
by shubhangi vidwans on Feb 26, 2008 07:29 PM Permalink
snpost You are right. All Indians need to work together to solve this social problem. For India to be a developed country every state and local culture in that particular state should be nurthred properly. So what Raj Thakre, Sheela Dixit and Dy. Governer of Delhi said has to be taken in the right spirit. This is the condition prevailing all the major cities today particularly, Delhi, Kolkata and Mumbai, Pune. I think, this is the right opportunity for people of Bihar and UP to pressurise their political leaders to create employment opportunities in their own states. They are rich in minerals and soil is also fertile in those state. If they claim that they have contribution in developing so called states, so they can toil for developing their own state living in their own state. If they can not do it that means their leaders are exploiting them without providing them enough resources for development. They should now fight with their own leaders for giving them required resources for their local development. We will certainly be proud of them if they can develop their own state and enrich their own culture adding to the beauty of the cultural diversity in India and being the part of development of India as a whole.
Every party must be rejoicing at the end of days play. For the milage each has gained, for fooling the common man again. The common man only watches TV and reads newspapers, which determine the scope for its discerning power.
The common man has no access to the phone-calls of it's elected representatives, who manipulate such developments. The impressions such incidents give to the common men is that their respective representatives are right in their actions. Whether arresting someone or for that matter courting arrest.
What a shame! While public property burns, and grave matters like farmer suicides get overshadowed, politicians and policemen unabashedly enact their righteousness, after joint-planning their moves.
The country's Home Minister goes to meet Sonia Gandhi instead of meeting the constitutional executive - our mute Prime Minister. The Home Minister also happens to be a Maharashtrian and the powerful NCP man has much say in the center and state. The NCP is in the ruling position and surprisingly partner to MNS, but not a word from Mr Pawar even after the blockbuster has finished. BJP must be very happy. Congress must be very happy. NMS proved a point.
And the Commissioner happy that its all over. It must have weigned heavily on his conscience, to arrest the very man whom he invited to his daughters wedding.
How much ground has Raj gained after forming the MNS. Nothing. All that fire was good when he was with his uncle. It worked because he was with his uncle. Simply by immitating the tiger one does not become a tiger.
I have never approved the methods of Shiv Sena. Yet I admit that Bal Thackeray has made a formidable Sena over the decades with quite an effort. Raj is just trying the short cut with borrowed tactics.
As regards the issue of migrants, shouldn't common sense prevail on the polity, that the capacity of Mumbai has been sretched beyond its limits a long time ago. The practical approach should be to limit migration of any sort. Not attacking them or chasing them using terror.
Undoubtly, the civic bodies have a right to work towards such a policy untill Mumbai is capable of accomodating more in the future. Parallely it can provide better living standards and opportunities to everyone, irrespective whether they are Marathi Manuus or Bhaiyaas.
better if we give maharshtra on a lease of 50 years to marathi's...let them develop their military,economy,bussiness,passport,visa.. just like a full fledged country...if they succeed in maintaing maharshtra in better prospects then its good..and if not then we will take back and then we will drive marathis out of mumbai.
Its unfortunate to see few of our marathi brethren has shaped their mindset in the mould of enemies of Nation, just for the sake of there ego drived by their selfish nature. Don%u2019t feel any shame to comment in a manner which may cause disintegration to INDIA. In this board itself One has commeneted like Bihari and UP should be separated cause in their opinion these states are pulling down the country. My reply to them is - Do you have any shame in saying that. We supported our nation by minerals, Brains, labours and blood and the same aid has gone to develop a metropolis like yours, on which you feel proud now. My question is on what you are feeling proud of, the asset what your father British left for you or your brother from rest of India developed in the form of industries. Your industries be it petrochemical, be it power sectors, be it film industry exists because of outsiders and those marathis who works together. Now you wanted full share by throwing out all of them. Shame on you guys, when you cant beat us in knowledge or brain you started beating poor panipuri wala. Shame on you incompetent bunch. What you people wants from us, you wana separate your selves from us. Do it man!!! We alone can stand (Bihar Jharkhand), we have good brain to administer, we have land which is fertile and rich with minerals, not less than GOLD worth. But we never develop with a cancer named regionalism.
RE:Unfortunate
by tated snehal on Feb 14, 2008 01:30 AM Permalink
I do agree with wat u say? but do'nt u thnk the imbalance is due to the worst conditions in states like bihar...one time it was richest in all but now it's poorest ..so people flee to metros like mumbai...and these people work for any amt. and any work...local jobs are lost...creating unbalance in society ...u all ve good brains...etc but still situation in ur state is worst...shame on u wen u r so rich in minerals,fertile land...etc still u can't improve standards in ur state...no body develops regionalism is totally wrong....if this would ve been the case then u would ve also thought from the other side...nt only from ur side ....so do'nt say u r nt supporting regionalism ...nor u can blame others....
RE:Unfortunate
by Gandhi on Feb 14, 2008 02:29 AM Permalink
Taded snahal- At first let me brief you, Iam not a Bihari, but would not be ashamed off if I was one. Yes all the blames and shames accepted. The biharis cannot take care of the rich resources they have. We will now merge it with Maharastra. lets see if that makes difference. For heavens sake there is difference between Kashmir and Mahrastra. Maharastra does not allow special status like kashmir any Indian from any state can settle in there.
RE:Unfortunate
by shaan on Feb 14, 2008 12:48 AM Permalink
We are true sons of INDIA, who speaks the same language what our mother land taught us, who doesnt have any special day more special than 15th Aug or 26 Jan. We are Biharis!!!you says it, we always consider ourselves INDIAN.
RE:Unfortunate
by Attatar Yena on Feb 14, 2008 04:39 AM Permalink
If Biharis are so good why the heck are they selling chaane and pani puri in Mumbai?? Bunch of incompetant good for nothings who want to riot just to be allowed to cheat in exams .. dont talk about competancy.. you Biharis..for you selling chana or pani puri must be a sign of competancy
RE:Unfortunate
by prabhat kumar kumar on Feb 14, 2008 06:14 AM Permalink
Attatar Yena, Uptill now you have seen or selling chana yourself as you couldnot know that whole India sucked Bihar of its' mineral wealth for over 45 years. Outsiders gave you infrasrtucture. Qualified IAS and IPS from Bihar were given to Maharastra to manage them. What were yours ? A cheat and goondagardi easy money. You are ungrateful as citizen, to your state and country. We Biharis have laboured hard, there, and everywhere you name it. As a matter of fact, you all are not only a burden to society but to humanity itself. Keep sucking.Disturb innocent citizens. And keep goondagardi alive. That is the state and upbringing you have.
RE:Unfortunate
by Attatar Yena on Feb 15, 2008 04:56 AM Permalink
Ther are only 14 IAS from bihar in Maharashtra and they are not very bright ( as expected). As regarding your minerals maharashtra did not get them free. Just ask your politicians where the money went ..remember ingenuis fodder scam ( can only happen in bihar). If biharis were so good ( as you claim) marathis would be shitting on the roads of Patna and not the other way round .
RE:Unfortunate
by Lucky on Feb 20, 2008 02:48 AM Permalink
Attatar Yena, When one gets everything easy sitting at home,everything in a plate, they start complaining too much. You are no different. And I have allready reminded you why Biharis shit in Maharastra, itsn't it ? Take it easy.
that masoom child born in the moving train's toilet - does that child know what is north or what is south or west india .. it is just a god's messenger carrying his message - hey dear mankind, still I have not lost trust in you , please wake up from your ignorance, treat each human as equal with respect , becoz without interdependance no one can live solo in his/own house .. many of the low cost labour for many industries in our maharashtra comes from other state migrants and the economy of our state also benefits from such fellow-indians.. let us reflect and rethink the reality... that is what God made us to do through that 'masoom' kid who landed on earth in the midst of turmoil and tensions around.... long live that child ..
