Swamy Vivakandnda had said: "We not only tolerate, but we Hindus accept every religion, praying in the mosque of the Mohamedans, worshipping before the fire of the Zoroastrians, and kneeling before the cross of the Christians, knowing that all the religions, from the lowest fetishism, mean so many attempts of the human soul to grasp and realize the infinite, each determined by the conditions of its birth and association, and each of them making a stage of progress. We gather all these flowers and bind them with the twine of love, making a wonderful bouquet of worship"
Now compare this with the beliefs of semitic religions and draw your own conclusion! Is this not good ideology for those who want to believe in some God????
RE:The essence of Indian culture
by Cape Comorin on Feb 06, 2008 04:19 PM Permalink
Is it a pride accepting every philosophy even if it is contradict to one another? This is simply an ignorance. Vivekananda was a great liar.
RE:The essence of Indian culture
by wuppuluru phaneeshwar sharma on Feb 06, 2008 04:35 PM Permalink
your narrow mindedness is clearly vissible, you called Swami Vivekananda as liar which indicates you poor knowledge in Indian history. He was a enlightened soul to address the Americans as "My American Brothers and Sisters" till then all the so called religious leaders addressed people by their faith. Don't try to tarnish a great person,you get people like him once in a Century.
RE:The essence of Indian culture
by Shiv on Feb 06, 2008 04:08 PM Permalink
Rediff has proved once again that its a bad website. This news has to appear in headlines. God save Rediff.com
RE:The essence of Indian culture
by zubair shighrekar on Feb 06, 2008 04:15 PM Permalink
swamy vivekandnda was a human being, and be belives in humanity,
but every religion teaches us to obey the instructions which are written in the books of each and every religion. like geeta, bible, quran etc etc...
and if u have full faith in ur religion, u will never tries to follow other religions rituals.
The god wants to punish the entire generation from Adam and Eve for the sin (or crime) purported to have been committed by them (earting forbidden fruit).
It is an accepted principle of criminal jurisprudence that only the person who committed the crime should be punished.
RE:Is god more unfair than human-beings?
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:52 PM Permalink
Have you heard about the phrase ... Little knowledge is dangerous .. ?
RE:Is god more unfair than human-beings?
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:59 PM Permalink
agree .. but the problem is with 'little knowledge', enough knowledge to derail one's thinking and perception about another religion. I have been asking @JGN and another person who claim to know a lot about the old testament, but apart from the 'virgin mother' stuff, I have not heard anything.
RE:RE:Is god more unfair than human-beings?
by JGN on Feb 06, 2008 04:01 PM Permalink
Dear Deepak, I am not interesting in abusing any faith. Rather people like me would be happy if we can make atleast one out of hundreds reading this message board see reason.
I can upload entire articles from "Postive Atheism" or Skeptics Annotated Bible. See them yourself and understand.
RE:Is god more unfair than human-beings?
by JGN on Feb 06, 2008 03:59 PM Permalink
Dear veera, we all are just fed up of the followers of these jealous West Asian Gods!!!!
RE:Is god more unfair than human-beings?
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 04:00 PM Permalink
if western gods weer 'jealous' it should not affect you in anyway, as you claim to be an atheist. Or are you an athiest when it matters most ?
RE:RE:Is god more unfair than human-beings?
by Cape Comorin on Feb 06, 2008 04:02 PM Permalink
But you are happy with adulterer,murderer and playboy gods.
RE:Is god more unfair than human-beings?
by sitaram sakthi on Feb 06, 2008 04:17 PM Permalink
bcos we dont convert, its you funny religious people who convert...
just think 70% hindus start converting 10% christians in india..??
RE:RE:RE:Is god more unfair than human-beings?
by sitaram sakthi on Feb 06, 2008 04:07 PM Permalink
yes we are happy, what bothers you... shut your mouth.. we dont go and preach all these stuffs...
its you people who preach all the funny things to others and convert people by false means.
RE:Is god more unfair than human-beings?
by Cape Comorin on Feb 06, 2008 04:12 PM Permalink
Read your puranas you will know many funny things. It is you people who are afraid of conversion giving false reasons for conversion.
RE:Is god more unfair than human-beings?
by veera on Feb 06, 2008 04:03 PM Permalink
@deepak
do u consider all the things which originated from this Bharat as trash ???
iam genuinely interested to know why and what made converts to think that the ancestors of this very same SOIL are misguided and by converting to some other religion ,converts got enlightened????
no offence intended ....i want a very matured discussion
RE:Is god more unfair than human-beings?
by sitaram sakthi on Feb 06, 2008 04:04 PM Permalink
But that is what makes up christianity... that every humans are sinned and some one need to suffer for saving them from sins.. what else is christianity.. most of the christians doesnt know the complete bible.. except for the verses that says jesus is the only true god, and every thing else is evil..
RE:Is god more unfair than human-beings?
by JGN on Feb 06, 2008 04:17 PM Permalink
Dear Cape Comorin, pl stop this hatred based on religion. You were not even able to give me three valid reasons for conversion! What are we fighting for?????
RE:Is god more unfair than human-beings?
by Ismail Sayyed on Feb 06, 2008 04:02 PM Permalink
Does the absence of a tangible existence negates the existence? We see the day light sometimes instead of the sun.we see the universe in such unique symetery and scientific perfectness and we can only acknowledge this happened out of a Superior Intelligent Being. Call Him God or Creator or Allah. Look at the computer- without the chip we canot have any program but by just looking at the chip from outside you cannot tell what is the program- you need a monitor to see it. This world is the manifestation (monitor in display) of God's hidden power- the chip
John Lennon was inspired to write the song "Sexy Sadie what have you done? You made a fool of everyone" after stories floated about that Maharishi Mahesh Yogi had made sexual advances to Mia Farrow.
She paniced and fleed from his ashram.
Some say these rumours wre deliberately engineered to undermine the Maharishi's influence on the Beatles.
Search for The Skeptics Annotated Bible. It has category-wise verses from the Bible like absurdities, contradictins, hatred, etc from both Old Testament and New Testament.
Also visit the web of Positve Atheism and read the articles available there. If we write here, Rediff will revoke our posting right!!!!!!!
RE:@ Deepak
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:23 PM Permalink
@ JGN ... if you claim not to believe in any religion, then it's your choice. Poking into other's preferences is none of your business. Ok, if you want it, give some examples of absurdities, contradictins, hatred and let us all know.
RE:@ Deepak
by JGN on Feb 06, 2008 03:27 PM Permalink
Why are you getting agitated? When you cannot tolerate criticism for your religion, why are you ridiculing our native culutre?
The converts in India are suffering from "Stockholm Syndrome" Pl search the web if you do not know the meaning of this phrase!
RE:RE:@ Deepak
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:30 PM Permalink
Do I sound like I am 'agitated' ... it is kind of the pot calling the kettle black (well almost). If I was agitated, I would have gone through and read a lot of things about your religions.
RE:RE:@ Deepak
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:31 PM Permalink
As for the Stockholm syndrome, I dont care what it is and what it means. I guess you need to remember the meaning of it more than anyone, since you need to claim the other always suffers from it.
RE:RE:RE:@ Deepak
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:29 PM Permalink
you may talk about them, it is all known. No one disagrees. But in this forum we are talking about one such instance, not that anyone is falsely alleging anything on the 'saint'.
RE:RE:RE:@ Deepak
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:29 PM Permalink
so if anything a 'hindu yogi' does, does not call for criticism, but if that is done by someone from another religion, it is proof in itself ?
RE:@ Deepak
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:39 PM Permalink
Why do you get agitated Abhinav? What lyrics are you referring to ?
As for what you have pasted from wikipedia ... here's my take on it.
If you had to choose between what Mia Farrow said and what Paul McCartney said, why would you prefer McCartney ? Because he said something that you agree with, or what you would have wanted to hear ?
Are your parents healthy ? Mine are too. Is this part of your religion to drag parents when the discussion is about some person who passed away in some part of th world ?
RE:RE:@ Deepak
by prasanna prasanna on Feb 06, 2008 03:39 PM Permalink
Christian priest molested mor than 100 thousand kids in USA alone. please watch documentary "Deliver us from evil" Hindus no need to learn from anyone.
RE:@ Deepak
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:43 PM Permalink
Do I even need to mention what happens in Iskcons ? I have heard from hindu friends of mine .... but I must admit I did not bother hearing the entire eposides, as they did not matter to me in anyway. Do you think a similar documentary on Iskcon would be tolerated in a 'tolerant' country of ours ?
RE:@ Deepak
by prasanna prasanna on Feb 06, 2008 03:49 PM Permalink
send me the documentary name. first watch this documentary and u will come to know that one of the priest raped 9 months infant
RE:@ Deepak
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:56 PM Permalink
this happens everyday in india dude ... and within family members themselves ... why travel to USA for this ? Invest in a good newspaper and you will be enlightened.
RE:RE:@ Deepak
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:27 PM Permalink
and that applies to you too @JGN, but you have defended well as you claim to not follow any religion. But it is still a matter of how much you know and how much you think is true.
RE:RE:RE:@ Deepak
by JGN on Feb 06, 2008 03:31 PM Permalink
Mr. Deepak, Go back a few pages of this discussion board and see what I have written about meditation (as per world renowned rationalist, the late Dr. A.T. Kovoor)! Then you will be clear about my ideology.
RE:RE:RE:RE:@ Deepak
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:32 PM Permalink
I dont beieve in meditation, and I dont think I found it necessary to read what you think about the same.
RE:@ Deepak
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:47 PM Permalink
and have you heard of ... ' Little knowledge is dangerous ...' This came much before Karl Marx.
RE:@ Deepak
by JGN on Feb 06, 2008 03:43 PM Permalink
Pl answer this: There are more than 2000 religions the world over and some of them have hundreds of sects. Each religion has its own god/gods. Every one is sure that the god/gods of other religions are false. Then what makes the believers that the god of their religion only is true????
RE:@ Deepak
by sitaram sakthi on Feb 06, 2008 03:46 PM Permalink
"God killed himself on the cross to save his own creations from his own wrath"
"the whole of humanity is sinned bcos a person called adam who never existed ate a forbidden apple"
funny religion.. jesus was a holy man, dont spoil his name by saying all these things.. he never said he is god or son of god or that he is the savior of man kind..these are all cooked up stories
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:@ Deepak
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:41 PM Permalink
I still dont see the reason for reading what you have pasted in some other post. But I still would like to know who gives you the freedom of insulting/questioning someone else's religious beliefs?
RE:@ Deepak
by JGN on Feb 06, 2008 03:39 PM Permalink
Deepak, you are a narrow minded person. I also do not believe in the meditation nor in any god! Why don't you atleast read what I had written? The tile is "Dr. A.T. Kovoor on meditation" (probably on page No. 5 of this discussion board).
And for your kind info, I have read The New Testament and Old Testament, The Mahabharata, The Ramayana, The Koran and parts of religious scriptures of many other religions. Atheists are not ignorant fools, but they know about religions better than the followers.
RE:RE:RE:RE:RE:@ Deepak
by sitaram sakthi on Feb 06, 2008 03:49 PM Permalink
Christians are very skilled in insulting other religions and saying the all other gods except jesus are devils and satans and idol worship is the work of satan...
i have heard it myself christians insulting my gods.. we dont insult jesus.. we just say christians are false and not jesus
RE:RE:@ Deepak
by RightSaid Fred on Feb 06, 2008 03:27 PM Permalink
Ask hi if God is planning to have any more "sons" .. or does God believe in family planning. Lol!!!
RE:@ Deepak
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:26 PM Permalink
I am asking you Abhinav, you claim to have read it ... I am asking you. Tell me. Tell us all. Unlike you, I am not questioning many of things you claim and believe yourself, because I believe that all religions are sacred to individuals. I would like to know how much you know about Christianity, or whether you know only enough to spread these kind of messages on the forum.
RE:RE:RE:@ Deepak
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:33 PM Permalink
you may talk about them, it is all known. No one disagrees. But in this forum we are talking about one such instance, not that anyone is falsely alleging anything on the 'saint'.
so if anything a 'hindu yogi' does, does not call for criticism, but if that is done by someone from another religion, it is proof in itself ?
RE:@ Deepak
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:48 PM Permalink
I am asking you to tell me ... you claim to know it ... help me and others by sharing your knowledge.
RE:one down, one to go
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:06 PM Permalink
i think sri sri can do a huge favour to the country , if he visited Mumbai first. I think Raj thackeray would deport him to Iraq from there.
RE:one down, one to go
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:10 PM Permalink
You did not answer my question. What else do you know about Christianity, other than the phrase you have typed below. And how long do you think Mumbai will take to be another Iraq ?
RE:RE:one down, one to go
by JGN on Feb 06, 2008 03:13 PM Permalink
Mr.Deepak, do you want to know more about Christianity? Pl search for The Skpetics Annotated Bible. It has category-wise verses like absurdities, contradictins, hatred, etc!
RE:RE:one down, one to go
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:17 PM Permalink
@JGN ... can you help me search for whatever you have mentioned about, and how much of it you see around you ?
RE:RE:Rahul have u heard this Famous Dialogue-RAM DOES NOT EXIST
by rajeev nair on Feb 06, 2008 03:11 PM Permalink
Thats a cute one abhinav... Never knew that before. So each and every one of us have a place where all the good souls reside ...
RE:Rahul have u heard this Famous Dialogue-RAM DOES NOT EXIST
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:04 PM Permalink
what else do you know about christianity my friend ?
RE:RE:RE:Rahul have u heard this Famous Dialogue-RAM DOES NOT EXIST
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:13 PM Permalink
have you heard anything about the new testament ?
RE:RE:RE:Rahul have u heard this Famous Dialogue-RAM DOES NOT EXIST
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:14 PM Permalink
and since your literacy on this topic is only limited to the old testament, you can just talk about the old testament for now.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Rahul have u heard this Famous Dialogue-RAM DOES NOT EXIST
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:17 PM Permalink
what ! All I get is an abuse ? Well that is kind of what I expected.
RE:RE:RE:RE:Rahul have u heard this Famous Dialogue-RAM DOES NOT EXIST
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:22 PM Permalink
Please go to the links you have referred to, and paste information from the same here, which you think is happening around you today, or is applicable as on today. You tell me how many years, actually I am not claiming to have mastered the old testament, you are. You tell me.
There are more than 2000 religions the world over and some of them have hundreds of sects. Each religion has its own god/gods. Every one is sure that the god/gods of other religions are false. Then what makes the believers that the god of their religion only is true????
RE:A question to the believers
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:02 PM Permalink
How come the topic has swerved from some yogi to gods suddenly. Dont tell me that a temple is being constructed in maharshi's honour :)
RE:RE:A question to the believers
by JGN on Feb 06, 2008 03:08 PM Permalink
This topic came due to some messages below from one Mr. Raymond and some hindus claiming sole-proprietor-ship to their god/gods!
RE:A question to the believers
by RightSaid Fred on Feb 06, 2008 03:30 PM Permalink
Just check out .. if any of the Beatles spouses have a balding pate and hairy buttt. That'll prove it.
RE:A question to the believers
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:24 PM Permalink
If you had to choose between what Mia Farrow said and what Paul McCartney said, why would you prefer McCartney ? Because he said something that you agree with, or what you would have wanted to hear ?
RE:RE:A question to the believers
by Deepak on Feb 06, 2008 03:50 PM Permalink
why do you need to use the word 'moron' everytime you think of something ? Is that a family trait, or is it part of your daily prayers ?
RE:A question to the believers
by JGN on Feb 06, 2008 03:07 PM Permalink
KuttiShaytan, I have already told you that you are suffering from "Stockholm Syndrom" Pl search the web and find out the meaning of this phrase!!!!!!
