Maharashtra is not England. It's just a state and part of the Republic of India. And it is a state in India, whose very creation is owed to men of Uttar Pradesh in no small measures. History is proof that Allahabad, UP was the rallying point of many critical events, that led to the freedom and formation of modern India. Uttar Pradesh too is a state; but it is not just any other state or region; and it has never been. It is the state of Ayodhya, it regulates Taj Mahal, it envelops Delhi, it controls much of the nation's waterflow with the Ganga Jamuna. The greatest emperor and empire come from its belt. Ramayan, Mahabharat, Holi, Diwali etc. all originate from here. The hindi language and its sanskrit root precursor are all rooted off UP. Every Raj Thackrey, not to mention a Karan Johar, Aditya Chopra, Hrithik Roshan, Akshay Kumar, Aishwarya Rai, Priyanka Chopra are all basically indebted to somebody from Uttar Pradesh and Ganga Delta from a long time ago.
But nevermind a long time ago. people need to be aware that a massive chunk of what they have put their hopes on as the Indian airforce and the Indian army is basically UP's army, that is jawans from UP and Bihar. Maharashtra's security even in today's times depends in no small measure on UP and that region. If tomorrow a hostile navy fleet crosses over the Arabian sea, pounds the Mumbai harbor back to colonial times and paratroops into the Thackrey compound, Raj Thackrey won't and can't stop them. And if they decide to
RE:UTTAR PRADESH
by Golden on Feb 04, 2008 10:37 PM Permalink
Anshu,
If all you "intelligent" UP and Biharis spent more time on developing your own states and ending caste politics, you people wouldn't need to come to places like Mumbai or Delhi to become beasts of burden!
UP and Bihar have the so many natural resources but are plundered daily by its won people.
Why don't you fight all that before fighting in Mumbai to stay third class citizens?!
RE:UTTAR PRADESH
by RUPESH CHAVAN on Feb 04, 2008 11:24 PM Permalink
Yes, Anshu, He's right. UP / Bihar produces highest no. of politicians and bureaucrats but still they are not able to develop their own states despite having Indian best fertile land. This indicates their attitude and will power. Now it%u2019s time for introspection for all UPian and Biharian. This is not happening in Maharashtra only, in Assam, Nagaland Biharis are massacred. This is really unfortunate but truth should be accepted. I understand Raj%u2019s way is not good but before blaming him Mulayam, Amar and Lalu should introspect and try to find out reasons behind these migrations. Lastly, Anshu go back to books and find out who ruled UP / Bihar; this will answer you how brave you were. Again go back to Army journals and find out more about UP Bihar sensex in Army; this is really required for you. If you still have some disgrace in your mind, leave your current job, go back to your place and try to make it next polar Mumbai. I know you are not capable for this challenge as you live far away from reality. Subah ho gayi Mamu, jag jao.
RE:UTTAR PRADESH
by kiran purandara on Feb 04, 2008 10:55 PM Permalink
and what would localites do? beg? wake up... mumbai is the financial capital cos all are involved in making it one... not by sitting in a safe house & barking @ others...
RE:UTTAR PRADESH
by Amit Sharma on Feb 04, 2008 11:02 PM Permalink
Why single out UP wallahs and Biharis.. just because they are the poorest of the outsiders.. Just because they dont have the power of money. There are Marwadis and Gujaratis who rule the Financial and business world of mumbai can anyone go up to them and say them that take your dhanda and go to Rajasthan and Gujarat.. NO!! why because these scum of the nation dont have the guts to do that.. Its easy to target poor men and harass them. If RAJ you really stick by your own idealogy kick Anil and Mukesh ambani out of mumbai. If you have prejudice against Amitabh try to go and attack him.. why beat up the poor taxi wallas and street vendors. I pity the men who follow Raj Thakare's words. They couldn't find a good man to follow.. so sorry for them.
RE:UTTAR PRADESH
by on on Feb 04, 2008 10:53 PM Permalink
u idiot many brahmins from UP have migrated to rest of India. there was no concept of UP bhaiyya in anciebnt ages. for all u know, my ancient ancestoprs came from ayodhya nagri. does that mean i become a UP waala? hahahaha what a joker u are.
RE:UTTAR PRADESH
by Anshuman Saxena on Feb 04, 2008 10:32 PM Permalink
And if they decide to hang him in his backyard like they did Saddam Hussein, he will die wishing there were more UP-walas in Mumbai at that time.
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by Anshuman Saxena on Feb 04, 2008 10:33 PM Permalink
Strong rhetoric aside, you can't pick and choose, saying Maurya or a Nehru or Bachchan or Diwali are 'ok' but we don't want those other uneducated yokels. You have to deal with the good with the bad, the rich with the poor, and work to improve the situation from inside out collectively. UP's problem is Maharashtra's problem and UP's strengths are to be used to the benefit of Maharashtra's. That's what being Republic of India is supposed to be all about. With regards to the disparity in UP, immigration has happened both ways, away from and towards UP-Bihar over time depending on the situation in the region, and there are all sorts of people who have immigrated there over centuries who are really not the original UP people. Nonetheless, this is there even in a USA where you have a New Orleans crowd illustrated during hurricane Katrina and a more elite group of Americans represented by say the Kennedys. Similarly the Bachchans or the Nehrus are UP, and so are the rickshawwalas; and people need to come to terms with that.
The irony with Raj Thackeray is that he too belongs to same community as Bachchan. He too is paternally a Kayashth. And Kayasthas are traceable to UP-Bihar going back to the Mauryan times. The individual now bashing Uttar Pradesh in Maharashtra is possibly descendant of original UP-ites himself. So instead of trying to emerge a national leader like a Narendra Modi or a Chandrababu Naidu, you have this Thackrey making remarks which are going to limit and chai
RE:UTTAR PRADESH
by Arun Deo on Feb 04, 2008 10:49 PM Permalink
Hello Anshumaan Bhaiyya try to sell your banana in UP or Bihar dont try here in mumbai if you go back to UP/Bihar & beg nobody will give you a paisa as they all are beggers who comes to Mumbai everyday. Get out from here.
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by Arun Deo on Feb 04, 2008 10:56 PM Permalink
Anshu you calle inteligent yourself and your so called dumb brothers from UP/Bihar, do u know what is culture of a city, you people are like a leech which suck blood of other's body. Why you are here in mumbai because there is no food in your state, your life is a miserable there made by goonda politician, whom you are calling uncivilised, are you civilised, no way and you cannot in your next seven generation, you guys are like a worm of shit who will never come out of that, try to be in your shoes if want to stay in mumbai or get out, no body has invited you here.
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by on Feb 04, 2008 10:38 PM Permalink
Anshuman saxena, wake up from your drug induced sleep. Wash your face. Take Ram naam, and ask him for good sense. Take all your up, and go back to UP, and sit quietly.
RE:UTTAR PRADESH
by siddharth kacker on Feb 04, 2008 10:50 PM Permalink
abey naam dalne ka dum bhi nahi kya? jab tere paas anshuman ka jawab dene ka logic nahi to muh band kar.
Mere Desh Premio, Aapas me prem karo. Raj thakre jaise khalnayak to har kissi political party me hai. magar hum to sab jante hai. Un logonki wajah se aapas me gaaligaloch mat kijiye. Ye meri aap sabhiko prarthana hai.
RE:Mere Desh Premio...
by ashish on Feb 04, 2008 10:31 PM Permalink
ya the country is united in spittin and littering and uncouth road manners lol keep it up
RE:Mere Desh Premio...
by bawlat on Feb 04, 2008 10:33 PM Permalink
Bharat humko jaan se pyara hai. Sabse nyara Gulistan humara hai. Sadiyo se Bharatbhumi Duniya ki shaan hai. Bharat maa ki rakshame jeevan quarbaan hai. Mere Deshwasio Socho aur Samzo. Koi Desh ka dushman Maze le raha hai... aur hum aapas me lad rahe hai.. jara socho
Every word that Raj Thackrey has said is steeped in truth and reality. Television channels have conveniently mistranslated his Marathi speech which only underlines the marginalisation of the Maharashtrian. I dare NDTV to present the actual translation of his speech to our non Marathi countrymen. He has not said anything against any language or culture but has only said that everyone who lives in Maharashtra should accept and respect the Marathi tradition. I am of South Indian origin but I consider myself first a Maharashtrian and then everything else. Maharashtra is my motherland and my pride.
RE:Raj Thackeray speaks the truth, hence we are not able to accept it
by K RAGHU on Feb 04, 2008 10:33 PM Permalink
TOO MUCH FREEDOM IS BAD. IN INDIA YOU CAN TALK ANYTHING AND GET AWAY WITH IT,THAT IS THE REAL PROBLEM.NO WONDER WE ARE STILL A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY.
RE:Raj Thackeray speaks the truth, hence we are not able to accept it
by on Feb 04, 2008 10:43 PM Permalink
TOO MUCH FREEDOM IS BAD IN INDIA YOU CAN DESCEND ANYWHERE LIKE ANTS AND GET AWAY WITH IT, THIS (UP & BIHAR0 IS THE REAL PROBLEM. NO WONDER WE ARE STILL A THIRD WORLD COUNTRY
RE:RE:Raj Thackeray speaks the truth, hence we are not able to accept it
by s a on Feb 04, 2008 10:51 PM Permalink
LIKE THE NORTH INDIANS...THE SOUTH INDIANS SHOULD ALSO BE KICKED OFF FROM MUMBAI....
RE:Raj Thackeray speaks the truth, hence we are not able to accept it
by s a on Feb 04, 2008 10:49 PM Permalink
LIKE THE NORTH INDIANS...THE SOUTH INDIANS SHOULD ALSO BE KICKED OFF FROM MUMBAI....
RE:Raj Thackeray speaks the truth, hence we are not able to accept it
by Patel Bhavesh on Feb 04, 2008 10:32 PM Permalink
Come to Ahmedabad! We (Hindus and Muslims)used to fight with each other.. now we are trying to prosper alongside each other.. Dont go by Media..ask ur muslim friends in Ahmedabad
RE:RE:Raj Thackeray speaks the truth, hence we are not able to accept it
by CHSJ on Feb 04, 2008 10:40 PM Permalink
I think tazir in bed with your .... so you no accept him as indian
RE:Raj Thackeray speaks the truth, hence we are not able to accept it
by Super User on Feb 04, 2008 10:31 PM Permalink
Do you mean to say you are a Maharashtrian first and a human later?
Dont talk rubbish... What Raj has said is wrong. It was just an extension of such a policy that led to ethnic cleansing of the Jews by Hitler. He has belittled the contributions of the various non-Maharashtrian communities towards making Mumbai the financial capital of India.
What is his contribution towards Maharashtra? Please dont say Shiv Udyog Sena, for that was an unprecedented disaster.
RE:Raj Thackeray speaks the truth, hence we are not able to accept it
by ashish on Feb 04, 2008 10:33 PM Permalink
hahha super user the super loser wat happpd u were barking how racists the aussies are look into ur iwn back yard first dude ---
RE:Raj Thackeray speaks the truth, hence we are not able to accept it
by ron on Feb 04, 2008 10:30 PM Permalink
good going narayan i respect ur sentiments and stand by raj thackrey
the aussies shud be here to see the great secular country india which is free from racism ,lol wat a bunch of idiots we r---- so glad am away from tat s hit hole india
RE:shame
by sachin shetty on Feb 04, 2008 10:53 PM Permalink
Yeah guys like you remember India only you are in trouble then you want Govt of India to help you. Do you think if you stay in US or any other country you are such a great achiver? Dont talk non-sense. You may be out of India earned riches and comfort for life now but remember you gained your potential to be where you are only from that country. Your sucess has a contribution not only from yourself but from many tax payers who made your education affordable. I know it makes no sense for guys like you. but remember where ever you go you are always identified as Indian (even if you hold red passport).
RE:RE:shame
by ashish on Feb 04, 2008 11:02 PM Permalink
ya i agree sachin but the red pasport makes a diff u no longer hold a passport of a scummy 3rd world toilet
RE:shame
by Super User on Feb 04, 2008 10:37 PM Permalink
Ashish, we 'Indians' may be idiots but it is not fair that a bigot like you use the word 'we' to include yourself as Indian.
P.S. Aussies have thrown their upbringing by throwing eggs at Murali.
RE:shame
by ashish on Feb 04, 2008 10:40 PM Permalink
hey super loser when u say the aussies ,its one eggg thrown but how many made monkey faces at symmo ah? and wat bout these goons trashing non maharstrains in india it self ? not one but many --- yes im indian but ashamed to be one tats why india is a trash can
RE:shame
by Super User on Feb 04, 2008 10:48 PM Permalink
Ashish, you can bark as hard and as long as you want. The world wants to invest in India. Have a good look around you, nobody gives a toss for your opinion! Quite honestly, you are deluding yourself by considering you to be an american.
RE:shame
by ashish on Feb 04, 2008 11:01 PM Permalink
super loser the world wants to invest in india to save money tats all ,india will still eba 3rd world for years to come look at the pollutioon and filth around
Previously I had soft corner with MNS, but now i feel ashamed on that. Why Raj blaming people from UP & Bihar.
If he really concerned about Marathi people then answer this first. (the points not for all Marathi people but for whom who feel UP & Bihari people pollute this state). These points are noted because I am staying in Chawl system in Mumbai & I am Marathi & I know Marathi people well.
1. Why Marathi people searching for jobs which is only for 8 hours working? 2. Why they are not ready to sale Vegetable or work as hawker? 3. Why they are wasting there time on roads (we called "Chaprigiri"). 4. Why they not creating competition to UP & Bihari people or other peoples comes from other states. 5. Why blaming system & not ready to work hard? 6. Why they not support each other to start new business?
Here is some points for the people comes from other state.
1. There is limit for everything, let me explain by an example, suppose there is 2 people in 10x10 room then they live peacefully & happily. If we introduce 10 more people in same room then they may be comfortable but if you introduce more 100 people in same room then how they can live peacefully & happily. Now same thing happening with Mumbai. Who born here also like to stay here & again new peoples adding continuously which pressurized our infrastructure & everything?
So try to save this city by understanding each other.
RE:My View
by ravinandanprakash agrawal on Feb 04, 2008 10:23 PM Permalink
you are right brother. India needs more commerce centeres. Everybody wants to work and enjoy night life but just few cities cannot accomodate the whol of India. There must be more cities with same infrastructure as mumbai, delhi banglore..government must make small cities like bareilly, coimbatore, surat etc big business centers so that mumbai delhi has less pressure.
RE:My View
by sanjay kumar on Feb 04, 2008 10:26 PM Permalink
If industries and industrialists are invited, industrial labour and commercial vendors are bound to follow. Mumbai can't be an exception.
RE:My View
by ron on Feb 04, 2008 10:41 PM Permalink
my dear bro aditya i can understand the dilema ur in but ill tell u sumthing i am aware of its not that maharashtrians r not going on well, as a matter of fact the maharashtrian youth is doing quite well u wud be surprised that there r quite a few young enterpreneurs around who have started new business , selling vegetables ,doing gadha majoori is no big deal most of the north indians doing it r illiterate so u dont compare those things, raj thackeray is a very good leader but he has taken this step quite hastily to get recognised i guess but which political party doesnt do it, tell me sumthing watt business has SP (SAMAJ WADI ) got over here in maharashtra first they should sudarofy their own state as its a regional party of UP apna ghar to sambhal nahi pa rahe chale maharashtra sudharne bullshit
RE:My View
by Aditya on Feb 04, 2008 10:46 PM Permalink
Ya u r right. But Raj Thakre given SP to chance for Barking & creating problem in state. Here people not suffering who stay in bunglows but who work on daily wages. They know price of the food & they are not able to shout & tell what they facing. So I feel we can give slap to both the parties.
WHAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A MIGRANT. PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME ABOUT THE SAME. ARE WE MIGRANTS WITHIN OUR OWN COUNTRY. THEN I AM SORRY TO SAY THAT MR RAJ THACKERAY, BAL THACERAY , UDDHAV THACKERAY HAVE GOT IT ALL WRONG THEN.IN THE USA WHEN A PERSON FROM A FOREIGN LAND MOVES INTO THE COUNTRY THEN HE OR SHE IS REFERRED TO AS A MIGRANT. BUT THE SAME CANNOT BE TAKEN HERE. PEOPLE OF OUR COUNTRY ARE FREE TO MOVE THROUGH THE LENGTH AND BREATH OF THIS COUNTRY AS WE ARE LEGAL CITIZEN OF THIS COUNTRY. SOME HONOURABLE LEGAL PERON WHO IS ON THIS SITE SHOULD PLEASE CLAIFY THIS POINT TO THE SHIV SENA AND MNS
RE:ARE WE MIGRANTS WITHIN OUR OWN COUNTRY
by ron on Feb 04, 2008 10:50 PM Permalink
first of all u cannot compare the US and our country bro ,its a completely different formulation and scenario, the issues around here r quite complex, it is needless to mention that every citizen around in our country is free to visit newhere in our country but there r sum criterias ur house can accomodate 5?10?/15?? 20 ? guest if u have a birthday u hire a hall for the gathering if u have a wedding ceremony u hire a bigger hall. occassions r not always, but when 10 lakh ppl r been added every quarter jus imagine watt wud be the state of this metro? i am not supporting the style of MR RAJ THACKERAY but thats the actual acute problem we r facing sumhow or the other for gods sake the migration has to stop /i wud request shri mati jaya bachan to create new job opportunities in their farm for ppl of up as they r farmers
RE:I love India
by Golden on Feb 04, 2008 10:14 PM Permalink
Dude,
Here are the facts!
Raj Thackray is actually making a power-play for the Marathi votes!
These idiotic Bhaiyas have nothing better to do after being beasts of burden all day and scratching each others Gottas, so they are fanning this issue!
All this could have been avoided by either ignoring Raj or Cursing Marathi people in UP and Bihar (to even things)!
But no these brainless Bhaiyas had to make a hero out of Raj Thackray!
This is how his Uncle gained power in the State!
What the muslims did for Bal Thackray, these bhaiyas are doing for Raj!!
RE:I love India
by Jitendra Kumar on Feb 04, 2008 10:19 PM Permalink
Mr. Rusted neither you nor Mr. Na-Raj Thakre have guts to drive out illegal bangaldeshi or go Muslim dominated area to show muscle power. They can only create drama in Dadar area only.
RE:I love India
by Rajender Pawar on Feb 04, 2008 10:34 PM Permalink
Raj ko Mayawati se kuchh seekh lena chahiye.... ek Mazhab, Ek state.. Ya ek jaati ke base par aap politics main ZYADAA door nahin jaa sakte...
