RE:Marahthi ki m-aa ka bho-sda
by Kumaraswamy Pillay on Feb 05, 2008 04:25 AM Permalink
Thats a very bad way to show your emotions. this issue again highlights the pathetic state of infrastructure and opportunities of employment in UP and Bihar and long time non performance of the governments in these states. The saddest part is that people are not seeing the real problem and showing the willingness to address this. Central government should put pressure on UP and Bihar government to do more to improve the basic life style of their people and improve infrastructure front so that more and more companies will be ready to open factories there. It is the only way the economic condition is going to improve in these states. If you are a proud UPiite or Bihari you should remind your politicians about that fact and ask them to perform and give more result oriented government and not non performing government. It is only because of lack of opportunities in the state that poor people leave the state and go elsewhere. Even though it is our country mass migration is not good for the health of any country. That will bring the outsider vs local showdown. UPiites and Biharis please put pressure on your politicians to do more for your states. They are conning you for a long time and taking you guys and your votes for a ride. A mayawati or lalu always talks about caste, religion or other things rather than development and economic issues in election time discussions. Punish such guys and bring in more growth oriented and result oriented guys to improve the fortune of your states
RE:Marahthi ki m-aa ka bho-sda
by chetan patil on Feb 05, 2008 04:30 AM Permalink
Jo kahan hai vo tum pe hi lagu hota hai.Maharshtra ki khate ho aur maharashtra ko gali dete ho. tum sale bahar se mumbai mein aate ho aur mumbai gandi karte ho. you people are uncivilised,nonskilled animals.always ahead in criminal activity. we want ot save our state from people like you. world knows progress and reforms happening in UP and Bihar. For god sake we dont want our state in that condition. If you have any self respect,then leave us and work hard to improve your state.
RE:Crazy Aryans
by amit on Feb 05, 2008 04:26 AM Permalink
Dravidian is from out of country and tries to divide indian along linguistic/state/culture lines, Beware of this guy!
RE:Crazy Aryans
by Dravidian on Feb 05, 2008 04:28 AM Permalink
I am not dividing anybody. It is your bhayyas Mulayam and Raj Thackeray fighting each other. :)
Its high time politician of UP should start thinking about Bihar and UP. Today Marathi have problem with UP/Bihar, tommorow they will start looking for other safe places. What will happen when they will start moving to South India?? Because of language and cultural difference, their will be even bitter clashes.
If Lalu/Mulayam have any conscience, they should issue a apology to their people and start working for development of their state. Raj Thakre don't need to apologies.
If Lalu can turnaround railway, why not Bihar or UP ??
People like Raj Thakre and Bal Thakre are trying to divide India. Neither Mumbai nor any other city of India is only for one group of Indian. Every Indian has right to work or live anywhere in India. Any person, who divide country on any basis should be severely punish. People like Raj thakere, their supporters and people talk like him should be burnt alive.
RE:Be an Indian
by chetan patil on Feb 05, 2008 04:40 AM Permalink
Mr Ajay before declairing others as culprit ,I think UP an dBihar people should do some self analysis.Of course indiais independent democracy and we believe in that.but that does not mean we will feed lazy,shaby peple with procrastinatuing attitude.today in time of globalisation we maharashtrians,along with other states are trying hard to put our state ahead in competition.unfortunatly people like you try to put break on it with you bullying and autocratic attitude.you dont want to work hard in your state and now youare here to feed on our hard work.If thakre says anything that reflect concern of maharashtrians toward loosing jobs and growing no of these people who prefere poletics,nepotism and muscle power instead of hardwork,honesty and dedication.I am sure its not only maharashtra,but any other state will react in same way unless you change yur self.If you are so proud and believe in your abilities then prove yourself.
RE:Be an Indian
by Vivek Sahay on Feb 05, 2008 05:41 AM Permalink
If Maharastrians are hard working people then why they fear loosing their jobs to Biharis and UPites. Don't forget that companies like Coal India and Tata and many have only their headqurters at Mumbai. Actual minerals and earning come from states like Jharkhand and Bihar and because the offices being at Mumbai, Mumbai gets the major share. Punjab, UP boasts of maximum agricultural production. Should these states charge marathis a different rate for the agricultural products. It's not just Marathis that made Mumbai the way it is now, the whole nation shold be credited. I sometimes feel so ashamed at being born in India where people and mainly politicians fail to recognize efforts of people and they go to any extent to garner cheap publicity and money . I pity the Africans for carrying so many genocides but Indians are really shameless. When everything seems to be going well, people like Raj Thakeray or VP Singh come up and push the nation 10 year backwards. Wake Up, Indians! I find less problems living here in US, when it's not even my country. But, in India, wherever you go, people make you feel outsider if you are not a local.
while Raj Thackerey should be rightfully condemned for his chauvinistic attitude, it also brings forth the situation in UP and Bihar to national limelight once again. Why does so many people from the state leave the state to seek employment opportunities elsewhere. It proves that the state governments in these states are doing precious little for the local population to get employment opportunities. For long time UP and Bihar are in the bottom of the performance chart despite getting favorable funding from central governments and sending too many MPs from their state to parliament. Why is central government not questioning the performance of these state governments. Its a true fact that infrastructure and the pace at which government workers work in these states leave a lot to be desired. As someone from south who studied in UP i can vouch for the difference in infrastructure and opportunities in these states. Bihar particularly leaves a lot to be desired as the state capital patna itself is in an abysmal state with regards to infrastructure, opportunities and law and order. You can forget about the condition of rest of the state. The current railway minister who ruled the state for 15 years did nothing to improve the economic condition of his state. Under his leadership his family members and all his party goons indulged in corruption at all levels. Its high time central government brings in some ranking system and punish poorly performing states with reduction in funding
RE:Thackerey issue...
by Reply Them on Feb 05, 2008 04:01 AM Permalink
Mr. Ku*t_te ke pillay, dnt try to b more intellectual. forget bout why ppl migrate to other states .. r south Indians nt in North India or these ha_mri marathis nt outside of Maharasthra?? If they hve so much of problem , go bck to Maharashtra. And u maddus also go bck to South India ... else there wil b no place to run away. bahut maar khayega .... samjha.
RE:Thackerey issue...
by chetan patil on Feb 05, 2008 04:43 AM Permalink
Yes maharashtrians are in north india,but they gain their positions on their caliber and not through nepotism.besides maharashtrians are peace loving people they do not create law and oeder problems.
Any Indian Citizen from any part of the country living in Mumbai or other Metropolies can't be denied to do so by any Raj Thakrey like goons. I would openly ask Raj Thakery and his supporters, if you have got balls then stop talking outta your big fat filthy mouths and try evicting migrants out of the state. You will preach non-voilence and being peaceful for all the generation's to come.
Challenge: Try it.....Play with Fire.....get your a_ss burned....
RE:Thackerey issue...
by Sriram Subramanian on Feb 05, 2008 04:32 AM Permalink
there should be minimum qualification for people to post on rediff.. just because u have access to a computer and know two or three english words doesn't mean u can post nonsense.
RE:Thackerey issue...
by Kumaraswamy Pillay on Feb 05, 2008 04:14 AM Permalink
Brother dont be angry. Instead try to see the point. If you see people belonging to other states in other parts of the country, most of them will be educated people with college degrees and they will most probably be doing white collar jobs. Its the people who do daily labour about whom we are talking here. These people are the real strugglers who find it very hard to make two ends meet. You will rarely find blue collar workers in other parts of the country. They will hardly leave their states if opportunities are available for them. It is against these blue collar workers that people like Raj Thacekerey are venting their anger. He is not putting the point in a correct manner but it is a long time problem which should be addressed. Why is the respective state governments not doing enough to create more opportunities for blue collar workers in their states. If you are someone who is concerned about the welfare of india then you will truely agree to the fact that governments in UP and Bihar have traditionally done very little to improve infrastructure in their states. This explains why software companies, heavy machinery companies and other manufacturing companies are not ready to set up shops in these states. In UP on an average you will have power cuts for 5 to 6 hours every day during summer times. If you deny all these then probably you are living in fools paradise. Unfotunately truth will always be truth. Thats the saddest part. sorry if i unknowingly hurt ur sentiments.
RE:Thackerey issue...
by The Lone Wolf on Feb 05, 2008 03:53 AM Permalink
Absolutely true. It is a failure of the UP/Bihar Politics and governments that they could not uplift their population and hence they run to other states to earn money.Living in absolutely "Bihar like" conditions (read filthy) they just earn the money and try to fund their family of minimum 12 - 15 back in Bihar. The central govt. should do something for those people and thus avoid such clashes. Raj Thackeray maybe saying it in a wrong manner, he is not seeing the point here, probably due to the narrowmindedness, but the point is the Why those people are migrating !
I dont' support Raj Thakerays brand of Marathi manus parochialism, but I have seen that UP/Biharis as a whole (may be not all of them but several of them enough to categorize the entire lot) are extremely rude and filth the environment they live in. 2. GRanted that it is the job of civic administration to keep and enforce cleanliness and law and order in the city, but since India is no US, you can't expect that and so citiziens need to make sure they do not dirty up the surroundings. While Mumabites weren't those ddodh ka dhula in this regard, UP and Biharis have made the city an excretory ground literally 3. I fault the administartion for not foreseeing the migration to a city like Mumbai and developing the infrastructure accordingly. Now that it is coming apart at the seams, they would do better to accelerate their rate of work rather than watching tamasha and defending Bhajji against AUs 4. All you UP/Biharites who write tall order messages are a minority. Only some of you have a civilzied upbringing whereas the people against whom MNS has this tirade don't even know the meaninfg of computer. 5. Maharshatrians cannot expect UP/Biharis to integrate with their culture.. You guys don't when you are out of your cocoon called maharashtra. 6. Finally TN is smart not to have Hindi in their land..TN is way ahead of Hindi heartland and they have an advantage in foreign country as well. wonder why rest of south doesn't demand the same thing..
RE:Only serious debaters please...
by Babu Muralidharan on Feb 05, 2008 03:56 AM Permalink
"and they have an advantage in foreign country as well. wonder why rest of south doesn't demand the same thing.." Could you please elaborate on this...I think your last sentence is unwanted and utter rubbish
RE:Only serious debaters please...
by chetan patil on Feb 05, 2008 04:45 AM Permalink
See, this proves the point you people are extremely uncivilised,rude and backword. First you clean up your language,then your dirty poletics,then your state and then you should expect others to respect you.
Maharashtra has got enough schools. Atleast compare to bihar. so we should not mind AB openig school there. garib par daya karo, school uunike pas rehene do.. we have lot of industrialist who invest heavily in MH and gets good return.
The comment Hon. Railway Minister Laloo Prasad Yadav made that in the times of Globalization, if we keep on blowing our Localization trumpet, we are not going to go anywhere, is absolutely correct. The concern Mr. Raj Thackrey shares is justified, when poor people from other states just flock into the financial capital and overload the city. But the wake in which he presents it is not correct. There should be no barriers for people from other states to come to Mumbai, as a Mumbaikar and a Marathi, i don't feel that is wrong, but politicians from UP shouting slogans like "UP Hamari hai, an Maharashtra Ki Baari hai..." will not help. It will keep on igniting the fire time and again and we will truly reach nowhere.
Instead of wasting their efforts on useless protests, MNS should try to resolve the issues with some concrete steps. that will also earn them some political mileage :)
Leave alone AB and his Aishwarya school/college, it's his money!, you make one for yourself here!
Take this as an analogy to IT professionals going to the US to earn money, they still fund India and increase the country's wealth, isn't it?
I believe the issue is little complicated than that. If Maharashtrians believe that Raj is working for their benefit then you are in total dark. All they worry about is their status. They don't want any other political outfit to strengthen their feet in Maharashtra, that why they are working towards such a smaller act. What they should have concentrated was about development in overall..they have political power, money and all resources to do same in maharashtra, what Bachchans did in UP (Opening School/College), but they lacked the will to do that. Today mumbai has the status of the Financial capital of india, not just because of maharashtra, but because of the combined efforts of all the people. who lived here, moved here, and stayed here. Remember before independence majority of people in mumbai were from Gujrat, but because of geological location, it become part of Maharashtra. So you can't say its only for maharashtrian to live and prosper in Mumbai, it is built with the combined efforts of people from all walk of life, so should it remain.
RE:Wrong Point of View...
by Faisal Khan on Feb 05, 2008 03:39 AM Permalink
The employment/development in Maharashtra or any part of country is not the sole effort of that regional native, But that is the combined effort of all Indians, India is not built on the lines of region and religion but it is built on the requirement of the country, Punjab/Haryana/West UP is good for Agriculture, so it is there, Delhi is a political Capital, so it is there, Mumbai is a commercial Capital so it is there, Bihar/Orrisa/WB is good for minnig and it is there, my dear if you are thinking, that only Marathi did it alone so u are wrong. Compare US East Coast and West Coast you will get the answer. India is for all Indians, Not only for single region or religion.
RE:Wrong Point of View...
by Kumaraswamy Pillay on Feb 05, 2008 03:47 AM Permalink
But the population in US is not very high and opportunities are quite a lot and the local population is not worried about even foreigners seeking employment in their country let alone others from their own country. But our country has huge population with less opportunities. Here outsiders seeking employment is bound to affect the locals.
RE:Wrong Point of View...
by Faisal Khan on Feb 05, 2008 04:13 AM Permalink
Its a National problem, so they have to make a national agenda how to fight with the unemloyment of India, Why just emotionally blackmailing the Marathis or Natives on the ground of region. Lot of unskilled/labourer people from Bihar and UP goes to punjab also for farming, but no one raise such an issue. Evem Sheila Dixit amde a comment on ousiders. Making comment and fighting with each other is not a solution, need a delibarate plan to root out the cause and provide employment through out India
RE:Wrong Point of View...
by Nitin Gupta on Feb 05, 2008 04:20 AM Permalink
this is just one part of coin...The job creation is also done by outsiders. How many ppl in bolywood, S/W, Stock market etc are natives?
RE:Wrong Point of View...
by Kumaraswamy Pillay on Feb 05, 2008 04:32 AM Permalink
Thats why i say we need to investigate whether what Raj Thackerey says has got acceptance among local population or not because we keep getting mixed messages all the time. For national welfare our central government has to show more application and investigate this issue. If people do support Raj's view then it should immedietly be addressed otherwise narrowminded poeple like him will try to expoit this issue for votes.
RE:Wrong Point of View...
by Kumaraswamy Pillay on Feb 05, 2008 03:36 AM Permalink
In any state the local population sentiment is very important. It is a known fact that lot of outsiders descend in bombay seeking employment opportunities and it is bound to affect the prospects of locals who have no where to go. is employment opportunity the only reason for Raj Thackerey to talk against outsiders then it is understandable. In that case the central government and the concerned state government should do more to generate more employment opportunities for the locals in their respective states. But if this is not the reflection of local mindset and raj thackerey is trying to play cheap political trip then he should be arrested immedietly and he should be made an example to all those elements who are acting in a manner which is harmful to the unity and existence of this country. But the way he has put his comments reflects a biased and chauvinistic attitude against a certain section of people. There should be no mercy to this guy and he should not be allowed to play this card one more time to garner votes
RE:Wrong Point of View...
by The Lone Wolf on Feb 05, 2008 03:34 AM Permalink
Lack of capability, capacity, poor conditions, political illness.. lots of reasons. Why do you think politicians from UP give such unhealthy slogans like "UP Hamari Hai , Ab Maharashtra Ki Baari Hai".
2marro all marathi, gujju, kricha, jains, n indian should come 2gether.& make way for raj. we should support raj.come on.hame inse chootkara pana hoga.
RE:raj ka raj
by somil yadav on Feb 05, 2008 01:08 AM Permalink
becasue people like raj thackray hindus are converting to buddhism , christianity and islam ,,,
c,mon raj unite hindu force and slaps poor people in so called conjusted mumbai
