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Naval Fatality
by Anand YNI on Feb 02, 2008 07:57 AM  Permalink 

Why don't all of wait till the actual reason is out?

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Precious lives of our Navy Personnel
by KHOZIM NAGARWALA on Feb 02, 2008 07:37 AM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Come to imagine, if these 5 navy people got killed during the Actual War , not by the enemies but by the old ship itself, what whould have our commanders do in such a case.
1) They would declare, an ugly war that would generate more hate among or people
2) Give the families some medays and cash benefit for the dead
3) Call their death as sacrifices
4) Make more money by buying more junk ships an army equipments instead of solving the core problem in our defence system

I beg to ask, who is responsible for such purchases... let it be the committee. All should be immediately investigated for their acts and money kept in their banks


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RE:Precious lives of our Navy Personnel
by Govinda on Feb 02, 2008 07:57 AM  Permalink
Need to keep track of this case consistently. Otherwise as time passes the people forget and seriousness is lost. INVESTIGATION BY CONCERN AND RESULTS ARE VERY VERY IMPORTANT.

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old scrap ships are main cause of this sirji
by pravin sarode on Feb 02, 2008 07:36 AM  Permalink 

old ships like ins udaygiri, taragiri need to be scrapped and purchased new battle ships or fridgets to avoid such mishaps scrap virat also

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Mass amil to President of India
by Biplab Paul on Feb 02, 2008 06:29 AM  Permalink 

Dear friends:
I had sent an email to Honourable President and PMO as well as to Cabinet Minister office on the subject. If we can send as many email as possible then they have to reply. We can also ask Rediff to have a section on this subject sperately and ask everyone to put their sincere views/comment. Based upon that, we can prepare the advoacy material and send to all media.

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Mass mail to president
by Lokvikas Trust on Feb 02, 2008 05:59 AM  Permalink 

I agree with Smitha V. It is very important issue and if I am not wrong our Air and Army are having the same problem (as per my talk with other Air and Arm force people). I think we should send our concerns in form of mass mail to president and cced to Cabinet minister on this subject.

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Old ships bought with money for new ships?
by Gopalan Ramachandran on Feb 02, 2008 05:50 AM  Permalink  | Hide replies

Perhaps the budgets are for new ships. But old ships are bought for less and some money used to entertain the heavy-weights in the bureaucracy, armed forces and politics.

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RE:Old ships bought with money for new ships?
by Krishnamurthy Suresh on Feb 02, 2008 07:11 AM  Permalink
Why do you say "heavy-weights in thbe bureacracy". Why not the top bosses of the forces? Do you know anything at all about how the militart purchases are made? Their budget is not controlled by the "bureacracy". Before commenting on anything first learn the subjectg matter that youare comenting upon.

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RE:Old ships bought with money for new ships?
by k lineesh on Feb 02, 2008 07:51 AM  Permalink
gud smitha madam am also frm navy...
its nice 2 u people like u ver also ter in nauy who takes the side of sailor nd also looks 4 them...
thankyou...

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I feel Sorry for Men in Unifrom
by smitha v on Feb 02, 2008 04:36 AM  Permalink  | Hide replies

I have served in Vishakhapatnam base for 7 years and left Navy after completion of Short service commission. I have served on warships and trust me Indians the ships which we run with so much of proud have following basic problems:-
1) They are old ships. Like this ship was used by US Navy for 45 years before it was sold to us. We paid $500 million for this scrap.
2)I do not understand why leadership in Indian Navy does not stand up and say that we can not run this scrap.whether its Ships or aircrafts or submarines.
3) Do not be surprised to hear that a submarine will sink with 100s of men onboard.
4) So you know who suffers most? Its the family of these naval personnel who Navy pays 5-7 lakhs and a sum of Rs 5000 -8000 as monthly pension. Just think if this happens to you?
5) Stand up guys and say no to these scrap pieces.

Its sad day in history of Indian Navy and we all will forget in a day or two. Its only families of those 5 naval personnel who will suffer for rest of there lives.

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RE:I feel Sorry for Men in Unifrom
by vinod rawat on Feb 02, 2008 08:53 AM  Permalink
I am 100 percent agree with you.

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RE:I feel Sorry for Men in Unifrom
by Krishnamurthy Suresh on Feb 02, 2008 07:17 AM  Permalink
The navy and in fact the entire armed forces is entirely corrupt and the cause is that our constitution puts them out side the normal systgem, giving far more power to the people in position and this excess powere leads to corruption. The quality of political leaders that we elect, compounds the problem, but hte problem itself is the very structure is designed to promote dishonesty. Down belwol there is this private entireprise that loots public and enrish a few CEOs and executrives causing the inequality that fires up the desire to make money by any means fair or foul.

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NAVAL EXERCISE GOES HAYWIRE
by DrKumarChatterjea on Feb 02, 2008 04:32 AM  Permalink  | Hide replies

WHY INDIAN NAVY BUY OLD SHIP FROM OTHER COUNTRIES? IS SHOPPING IN FLEA MARKET MAKE THEM HAPPY? I NEVER HEARD OTHER WISE INDIAN NAVY BUYS SOME THING NEW !!!!

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RE:NAVAL EXERCISE GOES HAYWIRE
by KRISHNA SHARMA on Feb 02, 2008 06:37 AM  Permalink
SCRATCH YOUR HEAD MAN. HOW ELSE CAN THE SONS OF THOSE IN POWER BE EDUCATED ABROAD, BESIDES GIVING THEM THE COMFORTS THAT YOU AND I CANT EVER IMAGINE , ALTHOUGH ITS MONEY FROM YOUR AND MY KITTY THATS FUNDS THEIR EXTRAVAGANCE. ELECT FOR A COMMITTEE WITH THE JUDICIARY'S FINAL APPROVAL FOR CLEARING SUCH INVESTMENTS. OR ELSE HANG THOSE BA....DS WHO FOR PERSONAL BENEFITS SELL THE NATION AND PLACE THE PERSONNEL AT THE HIGH END RISK. WAKE UP MAN WAKE UP JUST DONT SIT COMPLAINING.

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RE:NAVAL EXERCISE GOES HAYWIRE
by Sri Das on Feb 02, 2008 08:21 AM  Permalink
True friend....India has the capacity of spending billions for our defence system...then why they put the Indian Navy personnel and India at risk. Old hags keeps saaying the same things...they will give you a good reason also "technical fault":))

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ins jalashwa
by Rajkumar Singh on Feb 02, 2008 03:56 AM  Permalink  | Hide replies

the problem is engg - the navy must have made some changes to ship and this happened - cost of innovation may be - we need technicians ofhigh calibre - not engineers - u need more skill workers and machnes and no bad weldings - get it right pls - get the basics of the accident not arguments - kickbacks will continue in all deals in govt defence included ok -

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RE:ins jalashwa
by Pammi Tattee on Feb 02, 2008 04:03 AM  Permalink


Rajkumar,

We are missing the most serious part of this tragedy!

This was only an exercise. What would happen if this incident took place during an actual conflict?!

Indian politicians and bureaucrats have emasculated our armed forces and made a mockery of their capabilities!

We will require divine intervention if we ever get into a military conflict with one of our very "friendly" neighbours!!

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Rang De Basanti
by Desi Bhai on Feb 02, 2008 02:07 AM  Permalink  | Hide replies

I had warned this would happen, back in 06 when we purchased this 43 year old piece of decommissioned junk.

I am disgusted that our politicians and corrupt military men don't care for even such critical national security accoutrement.

And how in the world does a 600ft boat kill its own sailors ?

I demand an answer ?

We need a real life rang-de-basanti folks.

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RE:Rang De Basanti
by Polisetty Ravishankar on Feb 02, 2008 03:48 AM  Permalink
desi bhai - Id plz. mine is sairavishankar_9@rediffmail.com

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RE:RE:Rang De Basanti
by Polisetty Ravishankar on Feb 02, 2008 03:49 AM  Permalink
One word - what we should be thinking is how to live ling and serve the nation instead of thinking of laying down our lives.

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RE:Rang De Basanti
by on on Feb 02, 2008 02:10 AM  Permalink
ok can u be Karan Singhania(role of Bhagat Singh)...lead the group..

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RE:Rang De Basanti
by Desi Bhai on Feb 02, 2008 02:25 AM  Permalink
If need be I will be honored to lay down my life...

But these decision makers are such and the fellow citizens are such that this will not bring the necessary change.

That can only come from political upheaval - which in our democracy can only come when enough citizens vote in their decision.

And, this space is where I am playing my role ... spreading the word so that more and more can be informed and motivated to ring in the change.

By the way, thanks my friend, for even taking my name in the same breath as Bhagat Singh - my existence has just got its greatest gift!

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RE:Rang De Basanti
by KRISHNA SHARMA on Feb 02, 2008 06:44 AM  Permalink
Dont sit there patting your back. get up and bang the backs of those responsible for the mishap. CAN YOU DO THAT ? If you can, only then you deserve a pat.

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