It is amazing to see how insecure we are as Indians. Why should we be afraid of USA or any other country arm-twisting India? China has signed the deal with USA, still they have independent foriegn policy, are we inferior to them? Common guys! This deal is good for India and we should get this done. China,Pakistan and Iran are not our friends..(I didn't say enemies)..we should care about our interests first..!
It is ridiculousd when we think of this Indo-USA Nuke deal which has sustainability till 50 years or so. After that when Uranium finishes we go quiet on nuclear and wonder what we were upto in 2000s. The uranium is not going to come to us free of cost. And the royalty factor has to be compromised by divulging uptill 20% of Indian National budget annually including the runing and other expenditure cost which this nuke electicity generation has to be. If we look at India's Hydel Power generation; we should understand the natural blessings on our nation. Hydel Projects becomes depleted after 50 years of commissioning and requires rebuilding and still the costs could be effectively managed and its profit are depicted in the national revenues every where. Through this nuke prospect, we sit ideal for the coming 10 odd years or so before which the actual benefits can be seen and have to remain at mercy of NSG nations for our uranium supply and off course with the promise of non conduction of any nuclear tests. Then the fact that this nuke electricity is not going to mud cheap and affordable factor for the common man will not be there. as it is the electricity costs in today's India is soaring and common man has to tire out to pay his electricity bills. No one can promise realistic factors to common man. What the promises are basically high dreams which are not facts. Today (9/8/2008) Mayawati in Lucknow has spoken the words which I have been circulating to various fronts.
It is a cord of resonance in USA where Bollywood is singing - SINGH IS KING. It is a big deal for everybody all of a sudden who are bent low as to bless Godess Lakshmi with prosperity. The NRIs all of a sudden have got work coupled with dolars and they are claiming to be important. The matter has also shifted to dinner diplomacy. In frenzy of Americanhood, we Indians are seeing everything green or Dolars. And everything glitering gren has to be only dollars for top level polity circles in India or NRIs in USA. We have sold everything Indian for the sake of this nuclear deal and in Chaotic India we are only blessing Goddess Lakshmi with prosperity - this is the reality of everything green. Singh is King is beter sung in America and in India we are not even knowing the dates of the performance. And this Nuke deal is better for USA in every sense as they finally made India catch its ears the long way. Call it NPT, CTBT, Hyde Act, 123 Agreement or restrictions onm Indian Nuclear Tests - it all has the same paraphernalia and USA wordings are clearly understood tthrough Condoleeza Rice or other Americans. And Indians or NRIs are only singing tunes Singh is King and that to in USA. With this deal, Indian stand and Indian mindset would require a redefinition where Uncle Sam would write Dictionaries for Indian children and NRIs, top level polity circles and Capitalist would dictate Hundred Crore odd Indians the American grandeaour. USA is great, I agree now. To Lakshmi we bless $$$$.
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by Gopal on Aug 06, 2008 11:17 PM Permalink
Keep writing Mr.Sanjeev India has already signed off our freedom by the black day declaration. We have to join the US army fighting against any country whether it is Iran or China. India have friendly and cultural relations with these countries for centuries/ millenniums. It is suicidal to go for fight with our permanent neighbours. The present government is obsessed with some 'notions' that the N-deal will solve all our energy crisis. The deal is to get Uranium. Uranium supply will end in 60 years from now. India has Thorium deposit enough for 300 years. The Thorium technology is nearing success. Let us wait for a few more years to generate nuclear energy from OUR Thorium and with OUR technology. Then we need not surrender our hard earned freedom and sovereignty with sacrifices of patriots across the country for many years. I do not blame the Indian Americans. They are American citizens. They have to fight for their country. Right? My err is against our men here(Indian citizens) fighting on their side. Now the congress which stood for India's freedom is fighting from the other side!! The Indian Americans should check whether a French, British, Italian, German etc now residing in US will perform like this. American freedom struggle is different.
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by Guest on Aug 07, 2008 12:32 AM Permalink
do you have alzheimer's ? we fought a f..king with china and it still occupies claims large parts of the country? Iran helped Pakistan during 1971 war with air bases and money. You must be one of the "lets put our lips to china's rear end". Where did u get the information that throrium programme is nearing success? from the same people who tell us great success stories about home built tanks and aircrafts? they will keep saying that it is almost ready this for another 30 -40 years.
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by Gopal on Aug 07, 2008 12:45 AM Permalink
Remember that one can not sleep comfortably with an enemy at the door!! Try to be conciliatory. Who did know that India was testing a nuclear device in 1974. Read some news of those days. The day after the test a commemory postal stamp was released in all state capitals. Everything was done under strict secrecy. The world know about it only after the test. Is it possible now when our country is ruled by people lined with foreigners? Think over.
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by Sanjeev Srivastava on Aug 07, 2008 01:05 PM Permalink
Thank you Mr. Gopal for having the proper understanding of Indian indigenousity. It is really encouraging to know your reply and where did this Guest chip in who does not know India completely. What would be more absurd for us Indians to hear when Rahul Gandhi opens up claiming that Bangladesh was made by Gandhi family only. I do not remember any such moment when even in dream Smt. Indira Gandhi or Sanjay Gandhi or Rajiv Gandhi claimed that it were only them who did all works in india. And then we hear of this Ram setu becoming the world's debated topics with UPA & DMK wondering how to demolish a DIVINE construction. And in fact CHURCH & JESUS is fast becoming domineering in India also. The present generation Gandhis have put all Indians to retrogrades. The deal would put an end to all Indian strong foundations with Hyde Act & 123 Agreement dictaments as CTBT & NPT and doing away with Third World NAM & SAARC businesses. We are really seeing the silvery horizon amidst nostalgia and if this horizon speaks of nuclear mishaps and USA asking for High Royalty, we would land in wondering whether Hiroshima happened in India. Bhopal Gas Tragedy is not to be forgotten. And nuke electricity will not be facilated to us before 15 years or so. Then we Indians would have to ban nuclear tests and toe American line selling every now and then Indian morality. See what is hapening in Pakistan. Indian PM & Indian President would be YES SIR peoples of USA. And NAM & SAARC ends for good.
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by Sandeep on Aug 08, 2008 01:16 AM Permalink
What confused thoughts are you trying to put here?
What do you exactly mean by: "We have sold everything Indian for this nuclear deal" Are you proposing we should do what pleases China, Iran etc?
You seem very happy about Third World NAM etc but do you even know third world now refers to underdeveloped/developing countries? Is that where you would like India to be? Why would SAARC end? Because Pakistan would object? Why should we even care about enemies like Pakistan? Do you opponents of Nuclear energy have nothing reasonable to say?
People who are genuinely afraid that India might have sold out to US have nothing to fear. India can import from any country in NSG and there are 45 of them. If US offers best reactors then buy from there. Also only reactors which India dictates will be in Nuclear safeguard and rest can be used for defense research. What is the problem there? It is not like India has to explode bombs every now and then. Any country which does nuclear explosions is frowned upon by world. How many other countries do you see doing explosions these days? In fact which country has done it in last 10 years? Why should India slow down progress based on some highly unlikely assumptions?
Nuclear energy would start immediately as even current reactors are running at 50% utilization due to shortage of Uranium.
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by Gopal on Aug 08, 2008 02:06 AM Permalink
It started with the signing of black day declaration. Aim to get Uranium from market Canada and Australia holds 50% of world uranium deposit. Reported that at the present rate of use world deposit will last till 2070. Initially GoI was projecting to increase capacity by 6000MW. Later it is enhanced to 20000MW by 2020 presumably to make it appealing By conventional methods commissioning such large capacity addition in 12 years is impossible. The cost of Uranium will be dictated by Australia and Canada by 2020 as the plant is running.
The decommissioning cost is very high. Google “Group chosen for Sellafield job” Briton and Nevada “Report: Nuclear waste disposal will cost US $96B” By International standard the nuclear waste is to be kept safe for ten thousand years. Waste include all materials used at the site including switch gears and other plants and used fuel rods. Contract at Sellafield awarded to a consortium. Cost -1.7 Billion sterling pounds a year for ten years. Nevada site is for used rods alone which cost $96 Billions at the present cost. Inflation additional. Disposal of other materials is additional. Cost yet to be decided. Compare cost of coal and gas fuels. It was in the news that oil price hike was artificially created. Other problems: Radiation hazards and terrorism Reckless terms of project have been negotiated.
Why should we surrender our freedom and sovereignty for this deal? Stand mute for the debt trap? Move like US. url wecansolveitDOTorg
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by Sandeep on Aug 08, 2008 03:31 AM Permalink
Black day for Pakis/China and their followers(commies) ;)
Eastern Union did a study some time back on cost comparisons of Nuclear energy with other fuels and they found the cost was in similar range unless the coal plants were located on mines. Both the current presidential candidates in US are thinking Nuclear energy will be helpful. Mccain wants to setup 45 new reactors in US! Clearly they do not think costs outweigh benefits. Neither should we.
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by Sandeep on Aug 13, 2008 09:32 PM Permalink
Mr. Gopal, You feel this is a ploy to get third world countries signing up for Nuclear power :). An you feel they are ignorant about availability of Uranium etc is even more funny. You obviously have started thinking you know more about Uranium costs than these countries do? It is very surprising how you could have mis-interpreted it but the link you provided - "wecansolveitDOTorg" talks about ways to avoid coal energy and not nuclear energy.. There is no shortage of fuel. In past year, the spot prices of Uranium fell to about half( from ~$135 to $65 a pound). Maybe prices will rise but why would they rise more than any other source of fuel? You anyways are convinced no countries want to go for Nuclear power, so that should cause the prices to fall, isn't it? Or have you found it from somewhere that Uranium does not exist to support even current generation? :). It is good to think a little bit about conspiracy theories and imagine different scenarios but going too far away from facts/truth is harmful.
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by Sandeep on Aug 08, 2008 03:38 AM Permalink
Sorry, a typo. I mean European Union(EU) not Eastern union.
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by Sandeep on Aug 13, 2008 05:47 AM Permalink
You feel this is a ploy to get third world countries signing up for Nuclear power :). An you feel they are ignorant about availability of Uranium etc is even more funny. You obviously have started thinking you know more about Uranium costs than these countries do? It is very surprising how you could have mis-interpreted it but the link you provided - "wecansolveitDOTorg" talks about ways to avoid coal energy and not nuclear energy.. There is no shortage of fuel. In past year, the spot prices of Uranium fell to about half( from ~$135 to $65 a pound). Maybe prices will rise but why would they rise more than any other source of fuel? You anyways are convinced no countries want to go for Nuclear power, so that should cause the prices to fall, isn't it? Or have you found it from somewhere that Uranium does not exist to support even current generation? :). It is good to think a little bit about conspiracy theories and imagine different scenarios but going too far away from facts/truth is harmful.
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by Sandeep on Aug 09, 2008 01:28 AM Permalink
Mr Gopal,
If you say, you are not commie, I will agree to it. Whenever I see posts with facts twisted or changed to suit a reason, I start thinking commie.. There are 27 countries which have plans to use Nuclear Energy more. thehindubusinessline.com/2008/07/06/stories/2008070650970300DOThtm
There are some countries which are not favor of Nuclear Energy also but most in EU are in favor: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_energy_in_the_European_Union
Current plants can be decommissioned at a fraction of cost to what you say. Estimates now average $325 million per reactor which is a fraction of cost of total electricity produced etc over 40 years it can remain active. Link - world-nuclear.org/info/inf19DOThtml
I did look at wecansolveitDOTorg. They are mainly trying to suggest ways to reduce global warming. I am all for what they say.. Nowever on their site though, they say they are against Nuclear energy. Though they do say, they are against coal energy. So their position is reduce dependence on coal and increase on renewables but it is quiet on Nuclear. I am also for renewables but I am sure, the way India's power needs are increasing, renewables only will not work for India. Nor do I want us to be totally reliant in coal.
Both US presidential candidates are pro-Nuclear.
I don't agree with subservient nature exactly. We will pay them money and get Uranium. I would only be worried if we had to import from China/Pak
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by Gopal on Aug 08, 2008 10:38 PM Permalink
Mr. Sandeep Do not depict me as a commi when I talk for India. I am not. What made you to think that way?
Know that during electioneering candidates will talk so many things all over the world. When in the chair they think twice about all that said.
Will you give the URL to know which are the countries thinking of building nuclear plants? It is not only the cost and benefits that matters. The dangers of nuclear waste and terrorism also count. This also add to cost. A police officer in Bangalore commented that it cost just Rs100/- to make a bomb for the terrorist, but it cost crores to protect from that bomb. Have you read the URL... wecansolveitDOTorg? US is thinking in that way.
There are some calculations made in India also in the same line as that of EU. I read it. It is clearly wrote to make it appear that there is not much cost benefit for coal energy. To support N-deal!! They all skip the cost escalation due to Uranium price rise. And also the need of our subservient approach to get Uranium. Identified Uranium deposits are in Australia, Canada, Kazakhstan, Namibia, Niger, the Russian Federation, South Africa and the United States. 50% of it is in Australia and Canada.
The decommissioning cost is astronomically high. Hope you have verified it from the link I gave you. They are real figures, not guessed. We have to keep aside every year huge amount earmarked for decommissioning increasing the unit cost.
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by Gopal on Aug 10, 2008 12:34 AM Permalink
The ploy is very clear now that the Western countries are encouraging third world countries to go nuclear energy under the cover of 'green energy' Stated that 27 countries are going for the FIRST nuclear station. They are ignorant about the availability of Uranium and the decommissioning cost. The nuclear lobbies will get a boost in trade at the peril of unimaginable inflation world wide. This is a very unpleasant approach on the part of nuclear powers. Read the para “Nuclear power stations seem to be back in the reckoning .... –notably in the US and Russia.” Western countries except Japan and France avoid nuclear plants. The wiki is silent about the KNOWN recommissioning cost. I feel this wiki url is meant to substantiate the project proposals in various countries:). It seems the British and US governments are unaware of the article “Decommissioning Nuclear Facilities” url world-nuclear.org/info/inf19DOThtml . Look, they are not fools to waste Billions to for N-waste disposals. Yes, URL “wecansolveitDOTorg” is for alternative sources. They are looking for ways to avoid nuclear energy!! Right? At the time of negotiation for RARE Uranium, India will not have sufficient foreign exchange to pay and we will go for loans where we have to BEG and sign between dotted lines. Remember this is after investing billions to build the plants. We are at a low edge then!!
This story of activities by the Amar Sings of America comes as no surprise. Most Amerindian Bandicoots have a lot to grab from what is to bloom from the graveyard of this county's honor. 'The kingdom Where the mind is without fear , where the head is held high' seems much farther than it was when Tagore lived.
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by san man on Aug 06, 2008 02:45 PM Permalink
shut up, you lazy loafer. Amar Singh is a dishonest bandit, while NRIs are hard-working self-made success stories. It's the fate of lazy crooks like you to feel bitterness and jealousy towards those who have achieved success far away from your lazy fat ass.
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by reetmohinder singh on Aug 06, 2008 03:08 PM Permalink
shut up u idiot anurag .. i dont know why u guys just post msgs without any knowledge about the topic .. just reading couple of news on web and u r ready with heavy conclusions .. Turds!
