We in India have inherited rich renewable sources of energy which are environmentally benign and abundantly available. The solar, wind, and ocean waves along with human power need to be fully tapped and put to use with people’s control. Appropriate technology, research and development for production of cheaper equipment and tools need to be combined with just distribution for the right priorities. There is no political will for this in the ruling establishment. Estimates show that India can generate far more energy through alternative, environmentally sound sources. The nuclear energy option should be put up for widespread public debate, giving citizens a full opportunity to make an informed choice.
RE:We in India have inherited rich renewable sources of energy
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 12:41 AM Permalink
Everyone would like Solar power as that is among the cleanest sources of energy. But it is still in infancy stage and is prohibitively expensive at this time, it is 5 times as costly as coal. Though Nuclear energy is much cheaper to generate, it about same cost as oil/gas based plants if you include other charges like costlier installation/future de-commissioning etc. Wind turbines have been and are being setup in India and India is 4th largest wind power producer in World. Also, India is working on Solar capability, and had reserved 35000 sqKm in Rajasthan for solar projects but unfortunately, this technology is nowhere near it's prime time. Lot's of research going on and with nanotech, they hope to increase efficiency by 2-3 times and the costs are coming down too but at this stage, it does not compete with Nuclear. Also note, no nation has been able to harness Solar for any serious production whereas there are number of countries which have big contributions from Nuclear. Even states like Florida are talking about new nuclear plants to reduce dependence on fossil plants and to reduce green house gases.
RE:RE:We in India have inherited rich renewable sources of energy
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 12:43 AM Permalink
Nuclear energy is the only other suitable energy which can make big difference(20000 MW - 40000MW by 2020, 25% by 2050)) and can not be used due to international restraints. India will never be able to make a consensus on something like this and waste all the time as other nations gallop ahead. Important people have studied it and think it is good for India and people who oppose do not have any strong logic. Already 2 years were wasted, now we should move.
RE:We in India have inherited rich renewable sources of energy
by Gopal on Aug 02, 2008 12:11 PM Permalink
Let all know that all western countries except France and Japan avoid nuclear power. Then why they push India to build Nuclear Plants? India should read between lines. But we can wake up only a sleeping man. They are doing all these with the full knowledge of all the unbearable problems that India has to face in future. Mr.Sandeep, did you go through the links I gave you? It is surprising to read your posting after reading many news in the British News Paper. Or don't you believe the news?
RE:We in India have inherited rich renewable sources of energy
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 10:24 PM Permalink
Mr. Gopal, Absolutely incorrect. Where do you get your information from? UK generates 15% of it's power by nuclear and US 19.4%, Germany 26% and a lot other countries also relying on it in significant numbers. Which news are you talking about? I did not see any posting. Remember though that trying to put a link in post automatically reports it for abuse and so maybe it did not show up.
RE:We in India have inherited rich renewable sources of energy
by Gopal on Aug 08, 2008 11:32 PM Permalink
Mr.Sandeep Please read the news: Google “Group chosen for Sellafield job” Briton and Nevada “Report: Nuclear waste disposal will cost US $96B” Please give me the link which shows the plants under construction in EU except France.
RE:We in India have inherited rich renewable sources of energy
by Truth on Aug 02, 2008 01:40 AM Permalink
Nice thoughts you have shared...Your words and wisdom on the topic is commendible...
RE:We in India have inherited rich renewable sources of energy
by Suraj Singh on Aug 02, 2008 12:39 AM Permalink
There are no transparent figures for the costs involved in implementing the energy aspect of this deal. With the target being 40,000MW, estimates begin at Rs 300,000 crore. But in the popular obsession with oil, what has remained unreported is that the price of uranium has gone up four times than crude in the same period. There is a cartel of uranium suppliers appearing, and they are in a position to toss out all planning and costing.
The only fuels that have no such prices are renewables. Government figures show that without solar energy, India’s renewable energy potential is above 1,200,000 MW. Solar energy alone is available at 20 MW per sq/km. The future lies in tapping this resource. At today’s technology levels the costing would be less than a fourth of the nuclear deal.
The new economic theory believes that India can be energy secure by having an international agreement that is entirely import-driven. How imports can enhance India’s energy security is a theory that defies reason. So much for Gandhiji’s idea of ‘swadeshi’.
RE:RE:We in India have inherited rich renewable sources of energy
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 12:45 AM Permalink
- We need nuclear energy as also all renenwable resources we can which includes solar/wind etc. Clearly India has huge shortage of power and this needs to be attacked from all sides urgently. Even Coal which is cheapest at this time is not going to last forever and India is already talking about importing coal for some mega power projects
NEW DELHI: Bhartiya Janshakti leader Uma Bharti on Friday accused the BJP of planning the cash-for-vote incident during the trust vote in Lok Sabha.
Addressing a press conference, she alleged the hand of a BJP general secretary, a party chief minister and some MPs in the whole episode.
Bharti played a CD to the reporters that showed some activity at the house of a BSP leader and a BJP leader after which it showed a person going to the house of BJP MP Ashok Argal with a bag.
Argal was in the news last week when he along with two other MPs displayed wads of currency notes in the Lok Sabha claiming it was offered by Samajwadi Party leader Amar Singh as bribe to make them abstain during the confidence vote.
The former Madhya Pradesh chief minister said that she had met the Lok Sabha Speaker Somnath Chaterjee and gave him the CD and the transcript, which she wanted him to inquire into.
Bharti said that she would give the CD to BJP leader L K Advani, adding that "after watching it he should do some soul searching and take action against the concerned leaders".
Sources close to Advani, however, later denied that any appointment had been given to Bharati.
Bharti claimed that the CD was given to her by a person named Chudamani Patel, a lawyer, who she said also accompanied her to the Speaker's residence. Patel was also present during the press conference.
Bharti said that she had got the voices recorded in the CD verified and watched the entire CD herse
RE:true, imp day, hahaha
by Suraj Singh on Aug 02, 2008 12:26 AM Permalink
Even India's romantic plans fructify, the contribution of atomic energy to total electricity generation will rise by 2030 to 6 percent, from the current level of 3 percent. That can hardly be a source of energy security!
Finally, the nuclear deal will do little to promote India's energy security. To start with, nuclear power is a dubious route to security because it is fraught with grave problems of operational safety, proneness to accidents, routine radioactivity releases and exposure, and above all, high-level wastes that remain radioactive for centuries.
India's nuclear power plans have always been marked by utopian and constantly missed targets. For instance, India was projected to generate 43,500 megawatts of nuclear electricity by 2000. Today, India produces less than 1/10th of that amount in nuclear reactors. However, even if India's romantic plans fructify, the contribution of atomic energy to total electricity generation will rise by 2030 to 6 percent, from the current level of 3 percent. That can hardly be a source of energy security!
RE:That can hardly be a source of energy security!
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 12:30 AM Permalink
Nuclear energy is a proven resource. France generates 75-80% of it's power from Nuclear. Japan is doing 40% or so. Even US has 15% share of Nuclear Energy.
One of the reasons this deal is good for India is that India has not been able to generate enough from Nuclear dues to variety of factors such as shortage of Uranium, Thorium not as successful etc. This deal will exactly allow India to overcome these obstacles. The numbers you quote are incorrect. It is slated to be 20,000 MW which will be 7-8% by 2020 and should rise to 25% by 2050. An note here, even 20,000 MW is lower number. It can go even upto 40,000 MW as per estimates some people gave. Remember, even 20,000 MW is enough to power about 7 states like Kerela with no power cuts. So it is not as small as you think. It will be 10-15% of current production.
RE:That can hardly be a source of energy security!
by Gopal on Aug 02, 2008 12:15 PM Permalink
Mr.Sandeep Again you write the same story. Please read the link I gave you. If you do not believe the news I shall give you more links.
RE:RE:That can hardly be a source of energy security!
by Gopal on Aug 02, 2008 12:22 PM Permalink
Mr. Sandeep Do you believe that 20000MW (Nuclear Power)can be commissioned in another 10-12 years? I suspect a ploy by special interests to install second hand plants (NUCLEAR WASTE)in Indian soil. Can you please give a time schedule of works involved? There is another angle. The engineers working in our nuclear plants and research organisations will be loured out to the new plants jeoparadizing our atomic energy programs.
RE:That can hardly be a source of energy security!
by Suraj Singh on Aug 02, 2008 01:42 AM Permalink
The Nuclear deal is not the panacea for our growing energy needs as even by 2030 it can gratify only 5% of our total energy needs. The government has done nothing to harness India"s abundant renewable energy sources. When Pranab Mukerjee indulges in the sophistry of pointing out the nuclear energy assets of France we are not told the almost 100 fold increase in infrastructure it would entail; he also fails to take into account the criticism of the deal by top scientists who warn the government whether we want this mythical extra "energy security " through this deal , paying almost thrice the unit capital cost of conventional power plants , with the additional burden of subjugating the freedom to pursue a foreign policy and indigenous nuclear R&D programme of our own. [11] The internal inconsistency of the government is highlighted by the fact that it aims to tackle the provisions of the draconian Hyde by framing a separate law. Doesn"t the PM, the congress and India"s vain intellegensia realize that just like American laws don"t apply to us, similarly India"s law cannot apply, forget counteract American laws. The fact of the matter remains the 123 agreement is bound by the Hyde act and only the American government can amend the agreement to make it immune to the provisions of the Hyde act. The BJP planned to pressurize the Americans into amending the 123 agreement suitably similar to their agreements with China and Japan, but the emasculated CIA appeasing UPA government has n
RE:That can hardly be a source of energy security!
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 01:51 AM Permalink
Your 2030 figures are wrong. If it will be 7-8% by 2020 and 25% by 2050, it can not fall to 5% by 2030.
There is no other alternative now. Coal is cheaper but it has environmental costs and it will also go up now that India is talking about importing coal.
RE:That can hardly be a source of energy security!
by Suraj Singh on Aug 02, 2008 12:38 AM Permalink
There are no transparent figures for the costs involved in implementing the energy aspect of this deal. With the target being 40,000MW, estimates begin at Rs 300,000 crore. But in the popular obsession with oil, what has remained unreported is that the price of uranium has gone up four times than crude in the same period. There is a cartel of uranium suppliers appearing, and they are in a position to toss out all planning and costing.
The only fuels that have no such prices are renewables. Government figures show that without solar energy, India’s renewable energy potential is above 1,200,000 MW. Solar energy alone is available at 20 MW per sq/km. The future lies in tapping this resource. At today’s technology levels the costing would be less than a fourth of the nuclear deal.
The new economic theory believes that India can be energy secure by having an international agreement that is entirely import-driven. How imports can enhance India’s energy security is a theory that defies reason. So much for Gandhiji’s idea of ‘swadeshi’.
Finally everything has ended successful. The nuclear deal was a good initiative. I think even the BJP and Left should have seen the benefits of the deal instead of opposing.
There is tremendous need for nuclear energy in the future.The entire country comes to an halt in ths modern world without energy.
Eventhough I hate Sonia Gandhi and her Gandhi Dynasty. I strongly support all the non-Gandhi congress leaders from India. Dr Manmohan Singh and PV Narasimha Rao have done India proud via economic reforms and civilian nuclear deal.
RE:Appreciate the efforts of Dr Manmohan Singh
by Suraj Singh on Aug 02, 2008 12:21 AM Permalink
Finally, the nuclear deal will do little to promote India's energy security. To start with, nuclear power is a dubious route to security because it is fraught with grave problems of operational safety, proneness to accidents, routine radioactivity releases and exposure, and above all, high-level wastes that remain radioactive for centuries.
India's nuclear power plans have always been marked by utopian and constantly missed targets. For instance, India was projected to generate 43,500 megawatts of nuclear electricity by 2000. Today, India produces less than 1/10th of that amount in nuclear reactors. However, even if India's romantic plans fructify, the contribution of atomic energy to total electricity generation will rise by 2030 to 6 percent, from the current level of 3 percent. That can hardly be a source of energy security!
RE:Appreciate the efforts of Dr Manmohan Singh
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 01:49 AM Permalink
There are countries like France who are generating 75-80% through Nuclear and Japan is producing about 40% through nuclear. No Nuclear is clearly proven isn’t it? USA also produces 15% of it’s energy through nuclear.
Your next paragraph is actually one of the reasons why India has to go for this deal. The facts you give are twisted and made up by someone. Please check those before pasting it everywhere. By 2020, Nuclear will be 7-8% and by 2050 25% or so.
Finally everything has ended successful. The nuclear deal was a good initiative. I think even the BJP and Left should have seen the benefits of the deal instead of opposing.
There is tremendous need for nuclear energy in the future.The entire country comes to an halt in ths modern world without energy.
Eventhough I hate Sonia Gandhi and her Gandhi Dynasty. I strongly support all the non-Gandhi congress leaders from India. Dr Manmohan Singh and PV Narasimha Rao have done India proud via economic reforms and civilian nuclear deal.
Yes, it is an important day.. A day we lost our freedom a second time to the white people.
First time, the East India Company came first and the country was forced into the UK control, with the help of some traitors in India.
This second time, the white Italian Sonia came first, and forced India into slavery with the US, with the help of some traitors like you (bought with power and position and your tendency to be a sychophant), and some other people (who were bought with crores of money, making them to agree with selling our mother nation).. SHAME ON YOU! The Patriotic Indians and the history will never forgive you for this! And, in the immediate next election, YOU AND THE ITALIAN WILL BE THROWN OUT..SURE..
RE:Important Day: We lost our freedom a second time.. to the white people..
by AK on Aug 01, 2008 11:49 PM Permalink
INDIANS have always been slaves to the whites. That is why FAIR & LOVELY sells. Mother tells her child: do not drink tea, you will trun black. Do not play in the sun, yoy will turn black.
RE:RE:Important Day: We lost our freedom a second time.. to the white people..
by s b on Aug 01, 2008 11:55 PM Permalink
So, just because you have an ID that has "indian" written twice, doesn't mean you are any more Indian then anyone of us.
RE:Important Day: We lost our freedom a second time.. to the white people..
by Suraj Singh on Aug 02, 2008 12:25 AM Permalink
Finally, the nuclear deal will do little to promote India's energy security. To start with, nuclear power is a dubious route to security because it is fraught with grave problems of operational safety, proneness to accidents, routine radioactivity releases and exposure, and above all, high-level wastes that remain radioactive for centuries.
India's nuclear power plans have always been marked by utopian and constantly missed targets. For instance, India was projected to generate 43,500 megawatts of nuclear electricity by 2000. Today, India produces less than 1/10th of that amount in nuclear reactors. However, even if India's romantic plans fructify, the contribution of atomic energy to total electricity generation will rise by 2030 to 6 percent, from the current level of 3 percent. That can hardly be a source of energy security!
RE:Important Day: We lost our freedom a second time.. to the white people..
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 12:39 AM Permalink
Nuclear energy is a proven resource. France generates 75-80% of it's power from Nuclear. Japan is doing 40% or so. Even US has 15% share of Nuclear Energy.
One of the reasons this deal is good for India is that India has not been able to generate enough from Nuclear dues to variety of factors such as shortage of Uranium, Thorium not as successful etc. This deal will exactly allow India to overcome these obstacles. The numbers you quote are incorrect. It is slated to be 20,000 MW which will be 7-8% by 2020 and should rise to 25% by 2050. An note here, even 20,000 MW is lower number. It can go even upto 40,000 MW as per estimates some people gave. Remember, even 20,000 MW is enough to power about 7 states like Kerela with no power cuts. So it is not as small as you think. It will be 10-15% of current production.
RE:Important Day: We lost our freedom a second time.. to the white people..
by Suraj Singh on Aug 01, 2008 11:48 PM Permalink
Myth #14: The deal is not primarily about making money; it is about creating a new U.S. strategic relationship in south Asia.
Fact: The deal is primarily about making money. The main effect of the deal will be to pardon India – to remove it as a violator of international norms. After such a change in status, there will be no impediment to U.S. arms sales. This is where the real money is, not in nuclear reactors. U.S. exporters have mentioned selling as much as $1.4 billion worth of Boeing airliners, hundreds of F-16 or F/A-18 fighter jets, as well as maritime surveillance planes, advanced radar, helicopters, missile defense and other equipment. The Russian press has even complained that the nuclear deal is a ploy to squeeze Russia out of the Indian arms market. wisconsinproject.org/countries/india/Seventeen_Myths.htm
RE:Important Day: We lost our freedom a second time.. to the white people..
by Sandeep on Aug 01, 2008 11:53 PM Permalink
This will just give India one more supplier so what is wrong with that? India can choose to buy what is best.
