People just donot know about IAEA and start thinking pessimestic and emediatly link the same with USA .One should understand IAEA as a forum of governers of 35 member countries in which India is the prominent one and the creater of IAEA under UNO .It is not under USA ,I am sure .So dont think negatively like Leftist who never did good for the country forget about freedom movement .They did misrule for 30 years in West Bengal ,They did spoil 4 and half years of not doing any developmental work for the country by joining UPA ,nor allowed to do any reform .We have lost solid 4 years of no development .This leftist forget that they are also equaly responsible for price rise and rise in inflation as they were the part of UPA .The prise rise and inflation is not a one day matter ,actually it started 3 years back and now when the things gone out of hand ,they started accusing Congress and other UPA partners for getting an escpape root to fool the people .Somnath and leftist saga is nothing but to fool the public .I wish to thank Dr Manmohan Singh for giving us another liberisation in 2008 in the form of Civil nuclear deal agreement with USA and IAEA apporoval was neceessary for this deal .As he did economoc liberisation in 1991 under able leadership of late PM P.V.Narsimha Rao .Since India has got the fruit of 1991 liberisation after just 17 years and become one of the fastest growing economy in the world ,I am sure India will get the benifit of superpower with in 10 years from now
I will not go into length again of the manner in which Manmohan Singh"s anti-national UPA government has compromised national interests since it has been dealt by me earlier. [10] As for his achievements none of them are commendable in itself. The NREGA was a feudal farce, the farmer subsidy was ill constructed and improperly directed and hence has failed to contain continuing farmer suicides in Maharashtra and AP which both congress ruled states. The Nuclear deal is not the panacea for our growing energy needs as even by 2030 it can gratify only 5% of our total energy needs. The government has done nothing to harness India"s abundant renewable energy sources. When Pranab Mukerjee indulges in the sophistry of pointing out the nuclear energy assets of France we are not told the almost 100 fold increase in infrastructure it would entail; he also fails to take into account the criticism of the deal by top scientists who warn the government whether we want this mythical extra "energy security " through this deal , paying almost thrice the unit capital cost of conventional power plants , with the additional burden of subjugating the freedom to pursue a foreign policy and indigenous nuclear R&D programme of our own
RE:Manmohan Singh is an utter failure
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 10:53 PM Permalink
Please post where you get this 5% estimate from. Commonly agreed in % terms is 7-8% by 2020 and 25% by 2050
N-deal means NPT (non-proliferation treaty) and Very High cost of energy, compared to the conventional energy cost (solar, wind, tide, plant), N-deal energy will be 3 times expensive. VERY EXCELLENT for INDIAN POOR/MIDDLE CLASS PEOPLE: BIG DOSE from UPA Govt under MMSingh and Sonia. For other source of energy investment would be less than half of N-deal cost and least level of pollution or no pollution. Moreover India will be place to dump nuclear waste. Indians will suffer from N-waste because of complete mismanagement, we have seen many times.
As P K Iyenger, former chairman Atomic Energy Commission explains "It is easy to see why the US wants this deal so badly. At virtually no cost, since there is no commitment towards fuel supplies, they can cap our strategic programme, bring us into the NPT net, through the back door, as a non-nuclear power, keep a close eye on our nuclear activities, including R&D, through intrusive IAEA inspections, and subjugate us to the wishes of the nuclear cartel." [12] Some like B Raman curiously slander these scientists on the petulant reasoning that they were raised in cold war environments. If this is so the case, then did the Americans impose sanctions on India in 1998 and consistently refuses to accommodate it as a responsible nuclear weapons state?
RE:P K Iyenger, former chairman Atomic Energy Commission explains
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 02:27 AM Permalink
People who are genuinely afraid that India might have sold out to US have nothing to fear. India can import from any country in NSG and there are 45 of them. If US offers best reactors then buy from there.
Also only reactors which India dictates will be in Nuclear safeguard and rest can be used for defense research. What is the problem there?
BJP supporters, don't worry, even BJP would have signed this or similar deal as in their heart they want rapid progress and are rightists which makes them natural allies of US.
RE:P K Iyenger, former chairman Atomic Energy Commission explains
by Manoj M on Aug 02, 2008 05:31 AM Permalink
Read some US business magazines like businessweek, forbes, etc, where they are having articles on US not gaining much from the agreement & much of the new business going to France & Russia. People like PK Iyengar & these nuke scientists are the ones who got us into a doghouse. If we were in a position of strength, where we dont need anything from the international community & we are self sufficient, we wouldn't be going for this deal. Our reactors are practically dead & most are operating well below their rated capacity, which makes us go around with a begging bowl. If people like PK Iyengar had done their jobs well, we would be sitting smug.
RE:P K Iyenger, former chairman Atomic Energy Commission explains
by Gopal on Aug 02, 2008 11:37 AM Permalink
Mr.Sandeep We must know that uranium deposit of the world will last only up to 2070 as stated by Dr.APJA.Kalam. In another two decades the Uranium will be nearly unavailable within any reasonable price. What is the condition of the plants commissioned spending billions of dollars. We will be forced to buy Uranium at the dictated price. This will create unimaginable inflation.
What about the decommissioning cost of the nuclear plants at the end of 30 years of plant life. I already told you the cost of decommissioning-$3 Billion per year for 10 years. This is as per the contract signed now. After 3 decades , imagine the cost!! Astronomically high. India has to bear the cost which is beyond the capital India can find from our resources. Other problems connected with nuclear plants are enumerated by Reporter in his many posts.
I doubt very much whether the people declaring the day as IMPORTANT DAY is aware of this. Fact is they are aware of this. But they deceive the people knowingly. Misleading people even when it is known to all because of the authority one got by playing tricks in Politics and otherwise is unpardonable.
It is important day for some. Not for congress, the real congress and congress men. They can count on the days. Day of reckoning is very near!!
RE:P K Iyenger, former chairman Atomic Energy Commission explains
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 10:09 PM Permalink
Dear Mr. Gopal,
The reason I am so optimistic about this deal is that the points you bring up are not valid anymore. The current estimate of Uranium reserves is slated to last from 80 years to 200 years. www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf75.html
What you told about decommissioning is also not based on current technology. Please think, what you are saying is each plant will cost total $30 billion which is very far from truth. Current estimates are $30 million per reactor(with current technology) and their average life is 50-70 years.
So basing your inputs on this obsolete knowledge is not helpful and will lead you to incorrect answers.
RE:P K Iyenger, former chairman Atomic Energy Commission explains
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 10:27 PM Permalink
Sorry, there is a typo. I meant to say the current estimates are $300 million range for each reactor. And when you consider each reactor lasts 40-60 years it is a fraction of total cost of operation and total electricity produced.
For those Manmohan mongers who claim the pre-eminent finance minister will usher in reforms, they are in for a long haul. The first reform the pseudosecular Manmohan government undertook at the behest of the fascist DMK was land an affidavit in the Supreme court which declared Rama had himself destroyed the Setu according to the Kamba Ramayana, an 8th century text! Now, if such a travesty of history was only played by the BJP government you could have anticipated the howl it would have generated from our marxist-secularist historians like Romila Thapar and Irfan Habib. In case of disinvestment unlike the NDA government; the UPA believes in first reducing profit making companies into sick units, and then selling them at dirt cheap prices to rake in the moolah. Consider the case of BSNL whose profits have shrunk to merely 300 crores during the UPA tenure. The Nehru Gandhi parivar is also pressuring the same public sector organization to merge the diseased ITI into its gambit in order to hasten the former"s demise [16], something which will sound sweetly to the Ambani brother"s ears. blogs.ivarta.com/india-usa-blog-column138.htm
RE:For those Manmohan mongers who claim the pre-eminent finance minister will usher in reforms
by Gopal on Aug 02, 2008 11:55 AM Permalink
The responsibilty rests with the CPM. Though they were not within the government they were part of UPA. They allowed all sorts of mischiefs. Every one know that BJP did sell several profit making public sector units after making them less profitable. The social system developed over several millennium was demolished in a few years by PRESENT CONGRESS and BJP.
India was a rich country. The piece-meal sale of India stated from the time of Vasco-da-Gama and continued till Mountbaten. Then we gradually regained our National authority under Nehru and others. We tested nuclear device in 1974 without any external assistance. Then started the 'string-pullings' by special interests. It still continues. Trying to hammer the last nail. No wonder there were people during the 1857 uprising who stood against the freedom war. Now it is proved that such men are still here.
RE:For those Manmohan mongers who claim the pre-eminent finance minister will usher in reforms
by Manoj M on Aug 02, 2008 05:35 AM Permalink
Wll, I agree with all your points but not the BSNL one. Anybody in India who has a choice from Reliance, Bharti, etc, never touches BSNL. BSNL is a typical goverment bloated organization whose most employees take great pride in not doing any work. They made monopoly profits for a long time, but finally their time has come & I am glad that this happened. Well-run PSUs like LIC, SBI, BHEL, MTNL, etc are still doing well, unlike BSNL.
Bhartiya Janshakti leader Uma Bharti on Friday accused the BJP of planning the cash-for-vote incident during the trust vote in Lok Sabha.
Addressing a press conference, she alleged the hand of a BJP general secretary, a party chief minister and some MPs in the whole episode.
Bharti played a CD to the reporters that showed some activity at the house of a BSP leader and a BJP leader after which it showed a person going to the house of BJP MP Ashok Argal with a bag.
Argal was in the news last week when he along with two other MPs displayed wads of currency notes in the Lok Sabha claiming it was offered by Samajwadi Party leader Amar Singh as bribe to make them abstain during the confidence vote.
The former Madhya Pradesh chief minister said that she had met the Lok Sabha Speaker Somnath Chaterjee and gave him the CD and the transcript, which she wanted him to inquire into.
Bharti said that she would give the CD to BJP leader L K Advani, adding that "after watching it he should do some soul searching and take action against the concerned leaders".
RE:new twist to cash-for-vote scam
by satsat on Aug 02, 2008 11:56 AM Permalink
If it is true then it is good work of Uma Bharati and I will appreciate her because I the always hate her selfish politics
Manmohan Singh without exaggeration has been the most effeminate prime minister of India, every decision of his being dictated by Sonia Gandhi and son, who represents herself as the unconstitutional head of the UPA coalition.
For over four years, Manmohan Singh has been found wanting in every department - from security to economics. New records have been set in inflation, cross border infiltration, Muslim minoritysim, Hindu defamation and the reservation rhapsody. Each time Singh chose to keep mum when the nation was grappling with key issues. His tongue only wagged when Sonia Gandhi expressly sanctioned so - like the babble in which events in Gujarat were described as a holocaust. Farmers committing suicide in Andhra and Vidarbha, or terrorists blowing up Hindus does not cause him to lose sleep - but when a Muslim with suspect terror links is detained in Australia Singh admitted to having sleepless nights. He apologized to the Sikhs for the pogrom without explaining what are the compelling reasons which necessitate protection of the Congresswalas who performed them and constituted the vanguard of the movement. Where was he hiding in 1984 when Sikhs were burning? Even Khushwant Singh, who declared India for Indira, rebelled against his profound sycophantic tendencies in the aftermath of the Sikh pogrom but not Manmohan Singh. blogs.ivarta.com/india-usa-blog-column130.htm
RE:Manmohan Singh without exaggeration has been the most effeminate prime minister of India
by Annu Malik on Aug 02, 2008 01:10 AM Permalink
Your parents must be retarded, because you are special
RE:Manmohan Singh without exaggeration has been the most effeminate prime minister of India
by AK on Aug 02, 2008 01:17 AM Permalink
Just ignore his posts.
RE:Manmohan Singh without exaggeration has been the most effeminate prime minister of India
by Suraj Singh on Aug 02, 2008 01:29 AM Permalink
Because they make sense.
RE:RE:Manmohan Singh without exaggeration has been the most effeminate prime minister of India
by Truth on Aug 02, 2008 01:38 AM Permalink
No truth... please do some soul searching... learning how to type on computer doesnt mean you are an educated...it shows you are an useless jack for the country...Just have a look in the world...Be thankful to the govt they have checked the prices which by now cud be out of reach...Make some sensible staements that we all expect from person as educated as you are!!!
RE:Manmohan Singh without exaggeration has been the most effeminate prime minister of India
by Suraj Singh on Aug 02, 2008 01:40 AM Permalink
Please debate sensibly. Thank you. Yes, Manmohan Singh is a good economist but actually it is on that front that this government must be attacked. Rather than gradually raise oil prices so that the effect of inflation is kept under check these bozos got into such a false sense of security that they thought the party will never end. Hence we get this one really horrible year and if the true price of oil gets reflected petrol would be selling at about 75 rupees a litre in India which would take inflation to over 20 percent possibly 22 or 23 percent. Now let us even say that why blame poor Singh for oil prices. Japan produces almost no oil. They are almost hundred percent dependent on oil imports. India at least produces about 30 percent of its oil. But Japan imports almost all its oil. Yet inflation this year in Japan is about 1 percent. It is about 3 percent in other countries in Europe which also import quite a lot of oil. So, certainly our two "esteemed" economists Singh and Chidambaram must take some blame on this count.
RE:Manmohan Singh without exaggeration has been the most effeminate prime minister of India
by AK on Aug 02, 2008 01:47 AM Permalink
You have to read up on Inflation, causes of inflation, economic growth and world market to get your answers. You have just read some basic figures and drawn absurd conclusions.
RE:Manmohan Singh without exaggeration has been the most effeminate prime minister of India
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 02:03 AM Permalink
You talk about Japan having 1% inflation but as of July 2008, it is 1.9% which is at least double of usual they had. Note they were in deflationary spiral for some time. Additionally they have almost 0 growth rate. India's inflation has also doubled(like Japan's) and oil is contributing to it. Also note, Japan has a trade surplus. Also trying to compare developed countries inflation rate with India is trying to fool others.
RE:Manmohan Singh without exaggeration has been the most effeminate prime minister of India
by Suraj Singh on Aug 02, 2008 01:46 AM Permalink
As P K Iyenger, former chairman Atomic Energy Commission explains "It is easy to see why the US wants this deal so badly. At virtually no cost, since there is no commitment towards fuel supplies, they can cap our strategic programme, bring us into the NPT net, through the back door, as a non-nuclear power, keep a close eye on our nuclear activities, including R&D, through intrusive IAEA inspections, and subjugate us to the wishes of the nuclear cartel." [12] Some like B Raman curiously slander these scientists on the petulant reasoning that they were raised in cold war environments. If this is so the case, then did the Americans impose sanctions on India in 1998 and consistently refuses to accommodate it as a responsible nuclear weapons state?
RE:Manmohan Singh without exaggeration has been the most effeminate prime minister of India
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 02:10 AM Permalink
People who are genuinely afraid that India might have sold out to US have nothing to fear. India can import from any country in NSG and there are 45 of them. If US offers best reactors then buy from there. Also only reactors which India dictates will be in Nuclear safeguard and rest can be used for defense research. What is the problem there? BJP supporters, don't worry, even BJP would have signed this or similar deal as in their heart they want rapid progress and are rightists which makes them natural allies of US. Commies have let India down.
RE:Manmohan Singh without exaggeration has been the most effeminate prime minister of India
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 02:29 AM Permalink
Ignore would be a good idea because they are just based on blind opposition and not one point can stick so you have to run around typing whatever comes to your mind.
RE:Manmohan Singh without exaggeration has been the most effeminate prime minister of India
by Jo Ho on Aug 02, 2008 06:30 AM Permalink
I guess you must be from the slave party. Congratulations for finding a new Master beyond the masters of the Ghazi-Khan-Maino-Nehru family?
RE:Manmohan Singh without exaggeration has been the most effeminate prime minister of India
by dengudubabai on Aug 02, 2008 01:17 AM Permalink
and u are a hakla dhimak se hahaha
We in India have inherited rich renewable sources of energy which are environmentally benign and abundantly available. The solar, wind, and ocean waves along with human power need to be fully tapped and put to use with people’s control. Appropriate technology, research and development for production of cheaper equipment and tools need to be combined with just distribution for the right priorities. There is no political will for this in the ruling establishment. Estimates show that India can generate far more energy through alternative, environmentally sound sources. The nuclear energy option should be put up for widespread public debate, giving citizens a full opportunity to make an informed choice.
RE:We in India have inherited rich renewable sources of energy
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 12:41 AM Permalink
Everyone would like Solar power as that is among the cleanest sources of energy. But it is still in infancy stage and is prohibitively expensive at this time, it is 5 times as costly as coal. Though Nuclear energy is much cheaper to generate, it about same cost as oil/gas based plants if you include other charges like costlier installation/future de-commissioning etc. Wind turbines have been and are being setup in India and India is 4th largest wind power producer in World. Also, India is working on Solar capability, and had reserved 35000 sqKm in Rajasthan for solar projects but unfortunately, this technology is nowhere near it's prime time. Lot's of research going on and with nanotech, they hope to increase efficiency by 2-3 times and the costs are coming down too but at this stage, it does not compete with Nuclear. Also note, no nation has been able to harness Solar for any serious production whereas there are number of countries which have big contributions from Nuclear. Even states like Florida are talking about new nuclear plants to reduce dependence on fossil plants and to reduce green house gases.
RE:RE:We in India have inherited rich renewable sources of energy
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 12:43 AM Permalink
Nuclear energy is the only other suitable energy which can make big difference(20000 MW - 40000MW by 2020, 25% by 2050)) and can not be used due to international restraints. India will never be able to make a consensus on something like this and waste all the time as other nations gallop ahead. Important people have studied it and think it is good for India and people who oppose do not have any strong logic. Already 2 years were wasted, now we should move.
RE:We in India have inherited rich renewable sources of energy
by Gopal on Aug 02, 2008 12:11 PM Permalink
Let all know that all western countries except France and Japan avoid nuclear power. Then why they push India to build Nuclear Plants? India should read between lines. But we can wake up only a sleeping man. They are doing all these with the full knowledge of all the unbearable problems that India has to face in future. Mr.Sandeep, did you go through the links I gave you? It is surprising to read your posting after reading many news in the British News Paper. Or don't you believe the news?
RE:We in India have inherited rich renewable sources of energy
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 10:24 PM Permalink
Mr. Gopal, Absolutely incorrect. Where do you get your information from? UK generates 15% of it's power by nuclear and US 19.4%, Germany 26% and a lot other countries also relying on it in significant numbers. Which news are you talking about? I did not see any posting. Remember though that trying to put a link in post automatically reports it for abuse and so maybe it did not show up.
RE:We in India have inherited rich renewable sources of energy
by Gopal on Aug 08, 2008 11:32 PM Permalink
Mr.Sandeep Please read the news: Google “Group chosen for Sellafield job” Briton and Nevada “Report: Nuclear waste disposal will cost US $96B” Please give me the link which shows the plants under construction in EU except France.
RE:We in India have inherited rich renewable sources of energy
by Truth on Aug 02, 2008 01:40 AM Permalink
Nice thoughts you have shared...Your words and wisdom on the topic is commendible...
RE:We in India have inherited rich renewable sources of energy
by Suraj Singh on Aug 02, 2008 12:39 AM Permalink
There are no transparent figures for the costs involved in implementing the energy aspect of this deal. With the target being 40,000MW, estimates begin at Rs 300,000 crore. But in the popular obsession with oil, what has remained unreported is that the price of uranium has gone up four times than crude in the same period. There is a cartel of uranium suppliers appearing, and they are in a position to toss out all planning and costing.
The only fuels that have no such prices are renewables. Government figures show that without solar energy, India’s renewable energy potential is above 1,200,000 MW. Solar energy alone is available at 20 MW per sq/km. The future lies in tapping this resource. At today’s technology levels the costing would be less than a fourth of the nuclear deal.
The new economic theory believes that India can be energy secure by having an international agreement that is entirely import-driven. How imports can enhance India’s energy security is a theory that defies reason. So much for Gandhiji’s idea of ‘swadeshi’.
RE:RE:We in India have inherited rich renewable sources of energy
by Sandeep on Aug 02, 2008 12:45 AM Permalink
- We need nuclear energy as also all renenwable resources we can which includes solar/wind etc. Clearly India has huge shortage of power and this needs to be attacked from all sides urgently. Even Coal which is cheapest at this time is not going to last forever and India is already talking about importing coal for some mega power projects
