Ram Setu is a solid structure, I have gone there and seen it three times. The monkeys have really worked hard over it, I suggest we use them to construct bridges over quite few rivers running across India and also to construct badly needed roads and highway.
RE:RAM SETU IS A STRONG PIECE OF CONSTUCTION WORK
by Sincere Citizen on Aug 03, 2008 07:40 PM Permalink
Sure you can start acting as contractor for them, you seem to have lots of knowledge of their working.
RE:RAM SETU IS A STRONG PIECE OF CONSTUCTION WORK
by Vinayak on Aug 04, 2008 01:35 PM Permalink
Yeah. Being one of the clan gives you the privelage to lead them.
The writer of course is a rabid sanghi. But he has forgotten that the project of clearing the Setu was the brain child of his masters (the BJP. Where was he at that time? Was he having a Kumbhkarna sleep?
We, all Hindus, irrespective of our political affiliations, believe in Lord Ram. But that faith and our devotion to HIM has nothing to do with this project. Lord Ram had built a to enter Lanka to free Mata Sita. But today's need is that our nation needs security so that our naval ships can pass through the strait quickly. Does any one think that the Lord would have opposed this aspect of safety of Aryavrat?
BJP needs a emotive issue to mislead the people at large, like it did with the Ayoudhya. But where is the grand temple it had promised to built. And where are the crores of rupees it and other sanghi organisations had collected?
Please do not for amoment think that the countrymen are fools not to see through your game. Enough is enough. Play political games on principles and national issues. Stop this habit of street fighting and to take up any issue to fulfill your lust for power.
Major (Retd) Virendra Sharma Wellington New Zealand
RE:Ram Setu
by Sincere Citizen on Aug 03, 2008 07:36 PM Permalink
What has BJP or Hinduism got to do with protecting Ram setu ? It is a well known ecological structure which protects the region so why have it destroyed.
This is a new tactic taken up by some pseudo secularists anything to protect Hindus is branded as BJP agenda.
So what do you guys want exactly ? destroy all areas mentioned in Hindu mythology, give prime importance to minorities, support everything anti-Hindu, support conversion and then what ?
I mean if at all the decision making of the so called UPA and Congress was so good we wouldnt be in such bad mess today.
What is wrong with this article ? mentioning terror attacks by jihadis is bad ? or saying that our govt. is not doing anything is bad ?
The common man in India is sick and tired of these sychophants who blame all the problems of their wrong decision on BJP/Hindus and protect the terrorists at all costs.
Of all the persons I would think that ex army person would know better.
RE:Ram Setu
by Vinayak on Aug 04, 2008 01:41 PM Permalink
With due respect to your Armed Forces background, stop the crap. If somebody talks about Hindu beliefs he is a BJP/Sangh supporter. If the same talks about other religious beliefs he is secular. This shit can happen only India.
RE:Ram Setu
by gopinathapai on Aug 04, 2008 07:52 AM Permalink
Dear mr. Varma! Are you a Hindu? Have you got Faith In Lord RAM.Why Hindus consider Seven hills of Thirupathi as sacred?You may ask how monkeys can construct a bridge just like Karunanidhi of Tamilnadu asked where do ram studied engineering?Hindus consider the nature itself as divine."Vasudhaiva Kudumbakam" have you heardthis Vedic saying?Dont think all can be fooled always. In India everything related to Hindus are seen through the eyes of "secularism" and denied distroyed and termed as RSS BJP COMMUNAL Safforn .I wonder evenafter the evdence adduced in this article no riaght thinking faithful can commend like this.Please enquire whether who are this KrishnaIyer and KT Tomas.They are jems of Indian Judiciary and Krishnaiyer is a great humanist and leftist if can be categorised politically.All movable immovable living ,non living and all creatures related to God is devine and sacred to Hindus having faith.
RE:Ram Setu
by Sastry on Aug 03, 2008 03:16 PM Permalink
Do you remember how many soldiers died in the infamous hazrat bal in J & K? BJP is not above board when it comes to corruption and good governance. But corruption and bad governance are the least common factor of all political parties. May be even on these counts BJP fares better. But supporting the govt. that suppresses the agitation in Jammu but blinks when it occurs in Srinagar even though the latter is brazenly unconstitutional.
RE:Ram Setu
by Sastry on Aug 03, 2008 03:12 PM Permalink
I thought most of the NRIs have escaped being brain washed and indoctrinated by the P-secularists. I will be happy if you were not a NRI and have gone their to see your relatives. Nobody (from those who are opposing the project) would have supported BJP on this subject if Congress raised the same objection. But for the news, most of us would have been unaware of the whole project. I respect your judgment as you claim to be an ex-service officer. But, I am not sure if Sri Lanka will ever think of fighting a war with India. That is the nearest country if my knowledge of geography is correct. Why should Congress give the BJP one potent political handle when it does not even deem it fit to hang the proven terrorist.
i have read several articles stating that aryans invaded south and to perpetrate their supremacy, they propagated the story of ram. dravidians are the original inhabitants of south and brahmins are aryan settlers... Can some one add some thing on this?
RE:did aryans really invade south?
by Sincere Citizen on Aug 03, 2008 07:39 PM Permalink
Ask the Brits they will guide you on it because this seems to be their theory.
What we know for sure is people under name of Islam invaded and looted India many times.
RE:did aryans really invade south?
by galilio on Aug 04, 2008 12:14 PM Permalink
ARYAN means in sanskrit "noble'.dravidian means people living in dravida region consists of tamilnadu,karnataka,A P up to vindhya hill.so there is no invasion as per latest study by westerners while the false theory was planted by christians missionaries and communists JDU historians to weaken hinduism to make india as an securalist country which is now diluted to the state of anti hindu,anti majority,minority appeasement,anti traditional culture,anti heritage of hinduism but only rationalists, athiests,christians and muslims are in central power controlled by george bush and vatigan pope hindus are reduced to a thirdrate citizen in india now.HINDUS IN JAMMU ARE REAL HINDUS FIGHTING FOR SELF PRESTIGE.
RE:did aryans really invade south?
by Pranshu Gupta on Aug 03, 2008 02:47 PM Permalink
this Aryan invasion theory was generated by the English historians & the educationalists who after a deep research found that Indians can only be ruled by corrupting their cultural values & creating disrespect for their own culture.This theory is a result of the same & this has been disproved by some modern Scientists (non-Indians) very logically.There are documentaries on the whole subject & can be searched on the Internet.
I have read several articles on the invasion of dravidians by north indian aryans. and to perpetrate their (n.indian) culture, they created stories of ramayan. can some one clarify?
In the name of secularism, all the so called secular politicians are giving lectures against the sentiment of hindus. can they dare to do any thing that can touch a muslim relics? In this country where majority are hindus, they are treated as dust worst than the minority in islmic countries
Is there any scientific proof that Ram at all existed? And even if we consider that Ram existed, how could he build the setu? Any scientific explanation?
This article is tremendously superfluous and misguiding. Decision of the Govt. of a secular country should not be based on religion. One is free to practice his/her religious belief but if that faith interferes with national interest, science and logic should get preference.
RE:Ram was just the hero of an Epic Novel
by Sastry on Aug 03, 2008 02:03 PM Permalink
If that is the case, why should the government milk the hindu temple resources for P-secularism and why should government spend tax payers' money on waqf and haj? If you wish to be ignorant it is your choice, but trying to inject non-existent logic and reason into something as plain and simple as the vote bank politics of our govt., then you will not be successful.
RE:Ram was just the hero of an Epic Novel
by Jasad Dusty on Aug 03, 2008 07:01 PM Permalink
This talk of Haj subsidy is pure bakwas. To shut their big mouth once and for all the Haj committee should stop using Air India for the next haj and instead invite tenders from airlines across the world to bid for transporting apporx. 170,000 Hajis from India to Saudi Arabia and back. I am sure this will be much cheaper and better for the Muslims of India.
RE:Ram was just the hero of an Epic Novel
by Abhi on Aug 04, 2008 02:32 PM Permalink
please do so miya, that will be better for us as Hindus, so that our hard earned money is not spent for some so-called religious picnics. for um that will be sooner the better, Once the governemnt subcidy is removed the picnic goers number will automatically come down to 20% of current numbers.
The article is excellent in exposing the false claims of govt. irrespective of anything the setu is there for many years. Mother nature has preserved the ramsetu for so many years. Let us for the sake of argument agree that the setu has nor been built by rama; then it must be a natural creation. And existing from time immemoral. As it has not been destroyed by the nature it is no doubt serving certain purpose of nature. By destroying it we will be interfering in the nature the effects of which we are not knowing. The best way is to keep it as it is and not to interfer with it as it is the protection nurtured by the mother nature. Regaeding the beliefs etc present govthas utter disregard, but for preservation of nature the so called setu neednot be 'and hence should not be destroyed.
A good article, echoing the sentiments of most of the believers in Hindu mythology. To put things in perspective, I am not much of a believer in Ram being an avatar of Vishnu or some of the other things that Ramayana says. It is possible that there was a prince called Ram and it was common for many kings and princes to be perceived as divine incarnations. The story could have been about this prince and may have been jazzed up by the imaginations of the original author, by such things as pushpaka vimana, vanara sena etc. On the other hand, the story could have been entirely fictional. Ram may or may not have existed, Ramayana may or may not be just a fictional story. However, all of this does not matter at all. The point is that there are millions of people in the country who strongly believe that an avatar of Vishnu called Ram existed and constructed this bridge on his way to Lanka. The Govt in Tamil Nadu may be composed of atheists (pseudo, in many cases), but most of the people they govern are not. Therefore, the Govt simply has to respect the sentiments of the people and leave Ram Setu project alone. In case of a dispute over the truth and validity of Ram, Ramayana or Ram Setu bridge, the right thing to do would be to allow the issue to be tackled by historians, archeologists and scientists from relavant disciplines - not by the Govt., courts and politicians. Till a date when a clear account of history can be made available to the public, there could be no sensible option
RE:RE:excellent article
by Devavrata Satya on Aug 03, 2008 12:20 PM Permalink
Ms. Nandini Venkat,
Millions of people believing in something does not make it true or correct.
Millions of Muslims and Christians believe that Hindus are worshipping false gods, and they will go to hell if they don't convert to Islam or Christianity. Will you "respect their sentiments" and do as they say?
Any opposition to the project should be only on the basis of ecological and environmental considerations. When religious considerations come into any decision of importance, all logic and rationality go out of the window. Under those circumstances, how can one make an optimal decision?
I agree that historians, scientists and archaeologists should decide if the Setu was indeed built by Ram or not. But supposing their findings say that it is just a natural formation, can we appeal to respect for religious sentiments and disregard science?
Hindus should take the lead in rational religion. I doubt if the composers of the Upanishads would be gravely concerned about ancient formations, man-made or natural. Hindus, as opposed to dogmatic faiths, have a long tradition of questioning and seeking for oneself, and the essence of Hinduism is not belief, but truth. Respecting truth should come naturally to Hindus.
RE:excellent article
by Nandini Venkat on Aug 05, 2008 12:16 AM Permalink
Totally agree that millions of people believing in something does not make it true. The same argument holds for belief in the existence of God, performing many kinds of rituals and so many things related God, sometimes religion. I fail to understand your argument on "going to hell":) People are free (or atleast, should be free) to practice any religion they want and believe anything they want if they think it gives them some kind of an anchor in life. However, believing in "going to hell" or heaven is not an argument put forth today to form any public policy. If it is historically and scientifically proven that Ram Setu is only a natural formation and has nothing to do with Ram, then we have NO basis to appeal for respect to religious sentiments. The Govt. is free to do what it wants. However, we are not there yet. Yes, the essence of Hinduism is believing in truth - my argument is that we do not know the truth and hence all the unrest, because every person, with all his heart, believes that he has the correct perspective of the world around him. Also, my personal feeling is Tamil Natan is wrong in that vast majority of people in Tamil Nadu support the project. I have no statistical evidence, but I am sure he has none either. So, we are both free to air our views. So just chill :)
RE:excellent article
by Nandini Venkat on Aug 03, 2008 01:44 AM Permalink
The point is that there are millions of people in the country who strongly believe that an avatar of Vishnu called Ram existed and constructed this bridge on his way to Lanka. The Govt in Tamil Nadu may be composed of atheists (pseudo, in many cases), but most of the people they govern are not. Therefore, the Govt simply has to respect the sentiments of the people and leave Ram Setu project alone. In case of a dispute over the truth and validity of Ram, Ramayana or Ram Setu bridge, the right thing to do would be to allow the issue to be tackled by historians, archeologists and scientists from relavant disciplines - not by the Govt., courts and politicians. Till a date when a clear account of history can be made available to the public, there could be no sensible option other than to put the project on hold or abandon it/look for alternative routes.
RE:excellent article
by Tamil natan on Aug 03, 2008 03:23 AM Permalink
The majority of Tamils donot care about Ram - and the majority of Tamils wants the project to be sucessful. If the majority was against this projects - Politicians will have to be dummed to go ahead with this project.
Millions of people also believe that Krishna is an avatar of Vishnu, but not Ram.
TN is part of India and ram setu is revered by billions of Indians and people around world - so go and propogate not to destory the bridge! I as a Hindu would support the cause if there was a real benefit - but alas its pseudo-secular and more threats than benefits hence oppose it.
RE:excellent article
by Guest on Aug 04, 2008 10:12 AM Permalink
Its not about what Tamilians think. Its about what Indians think and what the HIndus all over the world think. Come out of the well and see the world around..
RE:excellent article
by S Ramanathan on Aug 03, 2008 06:17 AM Permalink
Sorry! You are wrong on both counts! Majority Tamils would not support it. Your "Millions" seem to be hiding in your imagination.
RE:excellent article
by Pradip Parekh on Aug 03, 2008 06:46 AM Permalink
tamil natan talks like a monotheist missionaries who make statements of assertion flat out to people they think are gullible. the monothiests, which include the atheists too, will always be a huge ever present problem for the hindus in india unless the hindus really know their designs full well. the hindus can no longer afford to be petitioning and fighting the govts in courts on such issues all the time.
remember that when God was with the Pandavas, the Kaurava army... bigger in size and technically and logically superior was routed thoroughly by the Lord. The Hindus should not forget the Lord, if they pray sincerely He will incarnate and rid them of all the woes they are in... don't forget the Lord assured that he would incarnate... "dharma sansthapanaarthaya sambhavaami". The thing is we should "Do Good, Be Good and See Good"... then He will protect... so do not harm other people by thought, word or deed, respect and protect the elderly, the women and the children of all faiths and pray with your heart. The FUTURE WILL BE YOURS ONLY IF YOU ARE GOOD!
RE:when God is with us, who can be against us!
by Observer on Aug 03, 2008 01:38 PM Permalink
Pandava's had to fight for thier rights though god was with them. So hindu's also have to fight for thier rights, and god will be with them.
RE:when God is with us, who can be against us!
by Niranjan on Aug 03, 2008 12:14 AM Permalink
The country is already witnessing violence in North India after Ayodhya Ram issue. There are vested interests to create such a situation in south India by raising Sethu Ram issue.
RE:when God is with us, who can be against us!
by Guest on Aug 03, 2008 05:39 AM Permalink
Let us fix the root cause of the problem. This became an issue when the govt. decided to destroy Sethu. It got worse when the govt. declared that Ram is imaginary, drunkard, etc. So, the devotees of Rama are not the cause of the issue.
RE:when God is with us, who can be against us!
by Sachin Dabhade on Aug 04, 2008 10:20 AM Permalink
Such incidents happen when sentiments are hurt. We have already witnessed this in the past several times. If the Sethu is destroyed, the same thing will be repeated. Common Sence.
