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RE:Should Education be divided on Religious grounds?
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 01:27 PM Permalink
Why you want to bring religion into Education? So far as I know, no State Government is following religion in the field of education. Let us keep religion away from all spheres of life.
The words speech below is not mine!but of great C n Annadurai!Shri AnnaDurai's speech given in Parliament!The Parliament has not removed his speech from the records the why should this message be reported for Abuse and Removed by Rediff!There is nothing unparlimentry in this that's why the record is there !And I find very abusive and obsecene languages be written in this forum by members but thoughI never report for abuse and nor others as they rather prefer such abusive languages!This shows the Character dominated by the netizens here!I feel good that now when the issue by Dr. Udipi has been raised most of the Northerns brothers are stating tha English should be the link Language!This proves that Sh,AnnaDurai the great leader was right when he opposed that English should be replaced by only Hindi and Hindi be Satte -centr communiacation language and UPSC exams Of IAS/IPs etc. be conducted in also Hindi thus to certai handiacpping NON-HINDI speaking Indians as it was so felt by them!Why the Marathis feel insecure by Hindi Hegemony in Maharashtra?Why the even Bengali's in this Forum feel the Same?But it is good that now even Northern brothers also want English as Link Language as once Sh. Anna Durai said!Jai Hind!My report can be reported for abuse!and can be removed by Rediff !I have no ill will towards any !Even English is state language of NagaLand! The moot queation remains who started the Language movement which was to remove English and Impose one National Language
RE:Who started the movement for Angreji Hatao in 1960?
by R A Sharma on Apr 30, 2008 11:10 AM Permalink
The undue importance English has got in employment and resultant craze for English medium in schools in the country is a cause of concern for the future of all Indian languages, including Hindi, which is spoken by about 40 to 50% of people and which is understood in most of India except South. As per an UN report all Indian languages, except Hindi and Bengali (probably bcz of B'desh, where all work is done in Bengali) will get extinct after a few decades.
Our scripts r the most scientific in the world. Unfortunately these also face extinction.
To avoid above problems all the work in a state should b done in main state language. For learning English, one need not learn all subjects in English (see examples of all non English speaking countries). Moreover English medium schools hv resulted in creating two classes of people in the country. Hence, English medium schools should b banned by amending the constitution.
Thirdly, all 4 South Indian languages should adopt the Telegu / Kannada script and all other languages should adopt Devnagri script (used for Hindi, Marathi, Konkani, Gorkhi, Manipuri etc languages), as all the scripts hv lot of similarities.
Otherwise all our languages and scripts will become a thing of past.
Lastly, as per TN Seshan, USA has added the anti Hindi agitation of Annadurai. I don't think it is difficult to understand the reason behind the American financial help.
RE:Who started the movement for Angreji Hatao in 1960?
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 01:33 PM Permalink
The Britishers started imparting English education to the natives of India for meeting their requirement of "Clerks" As a result of English education we have some advantage over other countries. There is no need to fritter away that advange in the name of linguistic chauvinism.
Many experts have recommended that at least till Std.VIII mother tongue should be the medium of Education. That will give the students enough working knowledge in their own language.
Who bagan the Angreji Hatao Movement !Why now all Northerns are advocating for Angreji English as the Link Language now!
by mahabodhi on Apr 30, 2008 10:13 AM Permalink | Hide replies
It was the Jansangh in 1960 started the aggressive Movement for the Impostion of Hindi as Natioanal Language!They also demanded that Hindi be center -state communication language UPSC Examinations such as IAS /IFS/all other Exams be conducted in Hindi also!This was opposed by south No body denies that Hindi is our National Language as also klannaddi ,Tamil and even English!The agiagtion was strted by Jansangh in North states and was concieved by South imposing Hindi Hegemony over their Languages! The arguement raised by the Pro-Hindi that it is the largset speaking language of India and should replace English!The centre was imposing Hindi Sh. Shastri was thge PM then!But Sh. CN Anna Durai opposed it !See his arguement"[edit] Annadurai's Speech in Indian Parliament In an address in 1962, former Tamil Nadu Chief Minister C N Annadurai made the following statements opposing Hindi imposition: "It is claimed that Hindi should be common language because it is spoken by the majority. Why should we then claim the tiger as our national animal instead of the rat which is so much more numerous? Or the peacock as our national bird when the crow is ubiquitous?" "Since every school in India teaches English, why can't it be our link language? Why do Tamils have to study English for communication with the world and Hindi for communications within India? Do we need a big door for the big dog and a small door for the small dog? I say, let the small dog use the big door too!"
RE:Who bagan the Angreji Hatao Movement !Why now all Northerns are advocating for Angreji English as the Link Language now!
by mahabodhi on Apr 30, 2008 10:22 AM Permalink
I know that this message will be removed!But as said that there is nothing unp[zrliamentry in thsi as the same remains in records of Parliamnet! I feel good that even Northern brother too are stating that English should remain the Ling Language!Let us all Indian grow together!I also ask members here that SHOW ONE INSCRIPTION ON HISTORICAL OINDIAN MONUMENT WHERE THE INSCRIPTION IS IN HINDI OR EVEN SANSKRIT!THEY ARE ALL IN PALI OR BRAHMI OR TAMIL ,KANNADIGA AND OLD ANCIENT LANGUAGES !ONE CAMSEE MY MESSAGE IN THIS FORUM IF IT HAS NOT BEEN REMOVED BY REDIFF!
RE:RE:Who bagan the Angreji Hatao Movement !Why now all Northerns are advocating for Angreji English as the Link Language now!
by mahabodhi on Apr 30, 2008 10:24 AM Permalink
The anti-Hindi agitations also led to the demand for creation of Dravidistan, a separate state for the speakers of Dravidian languages. [15], while some others considered it as a result of the divide and rule principle of the British. A coterie of Congress bigwigs like S. Nijalingappa (CM of Mysore), Kamaraj (Congress President), Sanjiva Reddy (Union Minister), Atulya Ghosh (Bengal Congress President) realised the gravity of the situation and asked the Prime Minster, Shastri to revoke the policy of making Hindi the sole "National Language".
Shastri, even though supportive of the pro-Hindi group, realising the seriousness, came up with a set of compromises that did not give Hindi any "Sole National Language" status. Most importantly, English was not removed from being a medium for competitive examinations like the All India Civil Services Examination. Also, the transaction between the State and the Central will be in the Official language of the state accompanied with an English translation. For example, communication from Tamil Nadu to the Central Government will be in Tamil and English; communication from the center to Tamil Nadu will be in English and Hindi. Thus, the 1965 anti Hindi agitation subsided. Let us all live in peace!If by removing these messages the Language probelm can be solved then So Be It!Jai Hind!
RE:RE:RE:Who bagan the Angreji Hatao Movement !Why now all Northerns are advocating for Angreji English as the Link Language now!
by mahabodhi on Apr 30, 2008 10:39 AM Permalink
The constitution of India came into existence on January 26, 1950. Enshrined in the constitution was the status of Hindi and English to be the "Official Languages" of the Central Government of India till 1965 (for a period of 15 years), after which Hindi was expected to take up the pre-eminent position as the sole "National and Official Language" of India irrespective of the state or central government. Hindi and English were the "Official Languages" in every department controlled by the Central Government, which is why Hindi and English are prominent in Railways (except the State of Tamil Nadu[12]), Nationalised Banks etc which come under the Central Government.
As January 26, 1965 neared, waves of non-Hindi speakers, started voicing their apprehensions openly, notably Tamils contribution is significant. Between 1948 and 1961, on an average, every year close to 24% of Central Government Officials were selected from the state of Madras (present day Tamil Nadu). The next best was Uttar Pradesh with about 16%. The idea of making Hindi the sole National language was blasphemous to the students as it was combined with the complete removal of English - even as a medium of education was detrimental to their future.[13] "From Google as all records are! If by removing my mesages Langiage probelm can be solve the so be it!
RE:Who bagan the Angreji Hatao Movement !Why now all Northerns are advocating for Angreji English as the Link Language now!
by R A Sharma on Apr 30, 2008 11:04 AM Permalink
The undue importance English has got in employment and resultant craze for English medium in schools in the country is a cause of concern for the future of all Indian languages, including Hindi, which is spoken by about 40 to 50% of people and which is understood in most of India except South. As per an UN report all Indian languages, except Hindi and Bengali (probably bcz of B'desh, where all work is done in Bengali) will get extinct after a few decades.
Our scripts r the most scientific in the world. Unfortunately these also face extinction.
To avoid above problems all the work in a state should b done in main state language. For learning English, one need not learn all subjects in English (see examples of all non English speaking countries). Moreover English medium schools hv resulted in creating two classes of people in the country. Hence, English medium schools should b banned by amending the constitution.
Thirdly, all 4 South Indian languages should adopt the Telegu / Kannada script and all other languages should adopt Devnagri script (used for Hindi, Marathi, Konkani, Gorkhi, Manipuri etc languages), as all the scripts hv lot of similarities.
Otherwise all our languages and scripts will become a thing of past.
RE:Who bagan the Angreji Hatao Movement !Why now all Northerns are advocating for Angreji English as the Link Language now!
by mahabodhi on Apr 30, 2008 11:01 AM Permalink
The anti-Hindi agitations also led to the demand for creation of Dravidistan, a separate state for the speakers of Dravidian languages. [15], while some others considered it as a result of the divide and rule principle of the British. A coterie of Congress bigwigs like S. Nijalingappa (CM of Mysore), Kamaraj (Congress President), Sanjiva Reddy (Union Minister), Atulya Ghosh (Bengal Congress President) realised the gravity of the situation and asked the Prime Minster, Shastri to revoke the policy of making Hindi the sole "National Language".
Shastri, even though supportive of the pro-Hindi group, realising the seriousness, came up with a set of compromises that did not give Hindi any "Sole National Language" status. Most importantly, English was not removed from being a medium for competitive examinations like the All India Civil Services Examination. Also, the transaction between the State and the Central will be in the Official language of the state accompanied with an English translation. For example, communication from Tamil Nadu to the Central Government will be in Tamil and English; communication from the center to Tamil Nadu will be in English and Hindi. Thus, the 1965 anti Hindi agitation subsided. Let us all live in peace!If by removing these messages the Language probelm can be solved then So Be It!Jai Hind!
Many muslims and christians are trying to sabotage hindu culture.
Most of the muslims and christians are terrorists because they believe in killing and torturing humans as sacrifices, and robbing and taking over their victim's property as reward for doing the sacrificing.
Most of the terrorist organizations, even some communist ones like maoists, naxals and tamil tigers are supported by christian missionaries, who are agents of western-white-christians, whose aim is to kill, by hook or crook, every body except western-white- christians and take over the whole earth.
For proof go to myspace.com/vidhu2 and/or myspace.com/rakesh22.
RE:Muslims & christians are terrorists
by R A Sharma on Apr 30, 2008 11:16 AM Permalink
Only some Muslims r terrorists. Though general Muslims do not strongly protest against terrorism, probably bcz of fear of 'fatwa'. Christians r not terrorists, though they r involved in conversion activities by indirectly 'bribing' the poor and needy.
Both these religions r outdated bcz of their thinking that only their own religion is good. There is no use following strictly some books written thousands of yrs ago. Hinduism do not hv any such problems. It is the most secular and democratic religion in the world. It believes in 'Vashudhaiv Kutumbakam'.
RE:Muslims & christians are terrorists
by Suresh Arora on May 01, 2008 02:52 AM Permalink
Even though most muslims and christians do not take active part in terrorism, but almost all them believe in killing and torturing humans as sacrifices. Because of that most of them keep quite, and even look for excuses, when some of the members of their religion get caught.
Both of these religions are not outdated. Their numbers are increasing every day, some through open conversions, and some through secret conversions.
In the last 300 years christians have murdered atleast 200 million people, and muslims atleast 30 million people.
If you read the blogs at myspace.com/vidhu2 and/or myspace.com/rakesh22, you might get a better understanding.
RE:Muslims & christians are terrorists
by mahabodhi on Apr 30, 2008 10:32 AM Permalink
I ask all members her who report for abuse any sincere report for abuse !is this message has any relevance to Language Issue!Is it doing any good!This the Yakhsha Prashan for all Rediff members here!If by removing my messages on the issue Language probel can be solve the do it!So be it !Jai Hind!
You have to give total freedom to people to speak whatever langauge they want to. Govt. cant control it. Today english, hindi is spoken as link language in india. To people who cant speak other's lang. Thats good. So when two marthi people are meeting they can talk in marathi, but if he is meeting guy from south, north. he has to talk in either hindi or english. He cant expect that guy to learn marathi. thats simple. All the demand coming now days to force kannada or marathi to outsider is nothing but sick game. They are stoping indian talent to get settled in any part of india and make economy grow. and this is so viatal for growth, job creation. If u anlayse any city u will find that the outsider has done maximum contribution to the growth of business, infrastructure. u have to respect them, cant force them to learn your language. u speak your language marathi, kannad at home, friend. why should u force it to others ?
RE:U cant force others to learn your Language..
by Bad Blaster on Apr 30, 2008 01:56 AM Permalink
I'd like to mention a change in this agenda. Agreed that language should not be forced (In fact Dr. U.R.Ananthamurthy uses 'voluntary' term). But, people coming from outside Karnataka should respect Karnataka & Kannada for what its giving back to us. For that matter, an Indian living in U.S should always respect that nation or land for what its giving back. If one feels a region is not giving back any favors, simply return back to ones native place instead of curbing & criticising others. Finally, the respect for the land that gives our daily bread (and much more) should come from our own hearts.
RE:U cant force others to learn your Language..
by R A Sharma on Apr 30, 2008 11:19 AM Permalink
People living in a state for a long time must learn the state language and give respect local traditions.
RE:U cant force others to learn your Language..
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 01:12 PM Permalink
People living in any state for a long time will naturally pick up the language of that state. There are people from Maharashtra, Gujarat, Punjab, etc settled in Kerala who speak Malayalam as good as the local population! There is no need for any one to force language down the throat of unwilling masses. I am a multi-linguist who can speak half a dozen languages and also understand another three languages.
RE:U cant force others to learn your Language..
by R A Sharma on Apr 30, 2008 02:01 PM Permalink
Sometimes it does not happen. I had a classmate, who was living with his family in Kolkata for many years, but he did not know Bengali. Similarly I came across an Engineer from Midnapur (WB), but was surprised to know that in their village they speak only Urdu and not Bengali.
RE:U cant force others to learn your Language..
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 03:46 PM Permalink
Those sort of things mainly happends in Border areas. People of some parts Palghat in Kerala speak Tamil and some people on the other end (Kasaragod) speak Kannada. We cannot generalize based on the habbit of a few migrants from other areas.
He has a utopian wish list. No concrete proposals. OK. So we don't mine now but leave it for our grandchildren. The URA's grandson comes along and says, "let's leave it for your grandchildren."
There's a fine line between use and abuse. If we don't exploit the available natural resources now we should be content with going back to bullock cart era while the rest of the world flies ahead. Then PETA will come along and beat their chests about the animal abuse. Then we go back further in time and start walking.
As long as people of India continue to live their lives and vote based on their caste affinity such as the Brahmins and so called upper castes the BJP, the Yadavs the RJD and SP, the dalits the BSP and DMK and the sadist the Commies, there is no hope for India. The people who have crooked agenda will always support their parties be it BJP, Congress, Commies, RJD or BSP supporters. The jehadis from Islamic terrorists to the Brahminical destroyers of Hinduism and Buddhism would contiue to bleed India.
Mr mahabodhi, You & Anna should understand this, small dog use the big door too but big dog can't use small door. Hindi makes several states in sync and if TN don't want to learn than who cares. Your politician still abusing others whether Anna or karuna. What a thinking Mass language compared with Crow & Rat. Than why are you learing english?
RE:Communication!
by Sandeep Mukherjee on Apr 29, 2008 09:39 PM Permalink
u know why its being compared with crow and rat? coz hindi is a mass infradig shoddy entity like crows and rats! plenty in number.. low on charm and grace! in hindi vanity bag is " phutani ka dabba"!
RE:Communication!
by R A Sharma on Apr 30, 2008 11:29 AM Permalink
It is wrong to compare language with animals and birds.
Democracy is the rule of the majority of the people, whatever language they may speak. People in most of India, i.e. except South, understand Hindi. As regards quality of language, all languages hv their own shortcomings. English is probably the worst, as regards pronounciation, though it is the most powerful in the world, due to historical reasons (colonialism). Faults can b found in Hindi (gender related problem), Bengali (I know Bengali very well, it is a sweet language, but it also has pronounciation problem - like earlier Kolkata was written in Bengali as Kalikata, Kajal is spoken as Kajol), Tamil (which has very few consonants, hence Geeta becomes Geetha), Gurumukhi (no half letter, hence Indra becomes Inder) etc.
