people must learn the language of the state they live in. it is outrageous that hindi imposed on the state people for the convenience of dillie folks. also, hindi imposition gives undue to advantage to northies. how would the hindis feel if kanada is imposed on them? vote bjp for regional integrity.
RE:dr. u.r. ananthmurthy is right
by dev singh on May 25, 2008 03:24 PM Permalink
Idiots like you think that bjp is going to impose hindi in karnataka.
BJP man in command in karnataka is Yedi and he more dignified kannadiga than any one of u.
RE:dr. u.r. ananthmurthy is right
by Sandeep Mukherjee on May 05, 2008 10:15 PM Permalink
but BJP stands for " hindi hindu hindustan"! suitable for small town banias!
RE:dr. u.r. ananthmurthy is right
by Sam Nath on May 10, 2008 01:59 AM Permalink
Mr.Sandeep Mukherjee(Communist), Who do you think BJP will stand for? Not Hindustan as per you but you will be happy if it stands for China. You are a shame for India as well as for Bengal.
RE:Kannada
by girish kumar on May 04, 2008 08:14 PM Permalink
The way u express ur self to something like this shows how sick ur mentality is. Kannada people are tolerant and peace lovers that's why all the neighbouring states are troubling them like this. It is the high time, no more tolerance.
RE:Kannada
by Srinivas Naidu on May 05, 2008 02:21 PM Permalink
r u here only to create trouble?? is tht ur sole aim in life...grow up man...i think others should just ignore this sadist's agony...and u better rust in peace...
friends its all about intellectual sounding clap trap.. all these ideologies and holy theories.. whats happening in periyar's state now? under the dravida parties and the aggressive dalit formations? khushboo was hauled over hot coals coz she just gave her honest opinion about pre marital sex in a magazine interview when asked for her views. she was sued, prosecuted, beaten up in the court precincts ! and people talk about brahmin orthodoxy and conservatism! the dravid and dalit lobbies said khushboo is bringing down the image of tamil women! can u beat it!? women's image cast in the so called brahminical sati savitri role! any one who goes out of that is a wh*re or worse! so beat her up and destroy her profession! what great manifestation of liberation from the so called brahminical yolk! its another matter that the dalit leaders' own personal lives own bear scrutiny against those same holy holy standards.. but hypocrisy isnt afterall a brahminical vice alone! all these sw*nes want power and goodies at any cost .. so use any so called ideology .. any clap trap.. make people fight amongst themselves and grab power and enjoy at the tax payers' expense!
If some one still thinking all their vows are because of following the so called brahminical arthadoxy rules, they are ignorants. In the last 50yrs indian states are ruled by non brahmins(mostly). If we question had we made real progress till now then we know the answer very well. We bang brahmins and upper casts for the sake of votes but stick to the same hypocritical standards later, after polls. India can never change this way.
The Periyar a great leader and reformer knew most sothrn Languages He was from a prominent Telugu Balija Naicker caste, a community that descended from the Nayak chiefs of the Vijayanagar Empire. Ramaswami Naicker was born in 1879 into a family of Balija Naidus, a Telugu jati of traders and cultivators and he grew up in Erode, a fairly important mercantile town in the Coimbatore district of Madras"
In 1920 when the Justice Party came to power Brahmins occupied about 70% of the high level posts in government and after reservation was introduced by the Justice Party reversed this trend and allowed non-brahmins to raise in the government in Madras Presidency[32].Periyar through in the Congress then supported the Justice Party and later joined opposed the domination of Brahmins who constituted only 3% of the Population over Government jobs,judicary and the Madras University.[33]Now Hindu profession had evolved around caste system, particular castes did only particular professions and it was Varna based where the Brahmin was the highest in the order and learned the Vedas, the Kshatriya ruled the country, Vaishya trading, the Shudra did farming and artisan work, and the Dalit or Dalit did manual labor and was the lowest in the order .[34][35].Ramasami's self-respect movement espoused rationalism and atheism, and although Ramasami had Brahmin colleagues, the movement had currents of anti-Brahminism. By removing the messages the truth can not ignored by rediff.
RE:Periyar means Thr respected One -in Tamil.first learn about Periyar and then wirte
by MGR Fan on May 01, 2008 11:27 PM Permalink
Today not even 1% of the State Govt's posts are occupied by bramins.
Infact, DMK does not have even a single MLA from that caste.
But still, Dalits are treated like dogs in the state.
RE:Periyar means Thr respected One -in Tamil.first learn about Periyar and then wirte
by mahabodhi on May 02, 2008 10:18 AM Permalink
That being true as you saidand I trust you to belive that! The dowmtroden have nots has to fight for their right !The politics being made a mockerey by the criminals we need Proetrian rule! Even if you see What Kanshi Ram BSP leader has shown the poor the road to centre of power !and Mayawati has done commendable job of attaining that!The Brahmins in UP who enjoyed the rule in democracy of Congress and then again enjoyed in BJP rule now have joined the Band Wagon of the BSP which was till then Pariah for them!(It may still be but they have their hidden agenda-and BSP too knows it but in the present scenario of Castiest equatioons as you can see in this forum where members are giving details of the Caste wise percentages and making predictions one can safely say that in India it has become the Number game! And even as Oscar Wilde says" "Democracy means simply the bludgeoning of the people by the people for the people.%u201D Oscar Wilde .But times had chnmged in the past even in euorpe and will continue to change for better if the majority is educated and enlightened and what ever the elite may say all succesful western Govt's adopt Marxism for their citizens and do cater to their demnads !Even Frnch had revoution and fench killed Monarchy !Americans also throw the British Queen by violence!But still Americans and UK are buddies ! " They say that time changes things, but you actually have to change them yourself " Andy Warhol Fight Injustice where ever it is !
RE:Periyar means Thr respected One -in Tamil.first learn about Periyar and then wirte
by anuragawasthi on May 02, 2008 11:03 AM Permalink
If you see the present day senario it the BC and OBC who are committing atrocities on dalits in India.......Go to the southern districts of TN you will know the kind of treatment dalits are metted out there.....
RE:Periyar means Thr respected One -in Tamil.first learn about Periyar and then wirte
by mahabodhi on May 03, 2008 05:56 PM Permalink
Even in North the situation is no good!The Jats who have been certified as jats by the BJP never allowed in villages to Dalits to mount on Horse for marriage procession! But BJP gave the jats the Tag of OBC!Now the Gujjars who were OBC want ST tag!Instead of really helping poor by identifying the reall poor Dalist /OBC /ST the BJP has enlarged the issue to deny the rreally dalits/OBC / ST who were deprived of their right sfor thousand of years by including the castes such as Jats who had been rulers in North such Natwar singh Raja of Bharat Pur and married to Daughter of Maharaja of Patiala!By dubbing them OBC the BJP has denied the poors of their rights and shown it charcter of Bourgeiose and Kulak!Though the Public of Haryana voted against the opperssive rule of jats undre Chautala teh Congress after getting nonjat voteds again made a Jat Bhoopinder singh Hooda as CM!As I said where ever there is injustice you have to fight it!
Are you a neo-convert? I have seen many Christians posting messages like "Adi Shankara" had massacared thousands of indigenous people to propagate hinduism etc as a counter to the Inquisitions carried out by Chruches in the middle ages (you are also not better than us type of argument!)
RE:@ Mr. anuragawasthi
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 03:32 PM Permalink
You have written......it is Bhrui or Bhroi spoken in parts of baluchistan in pak.....it is one of the oldest dravidian language........it seems that there is no language called "Bhuri or Bhori" anywhere in the world as no internet search engine is displaying any result for the same.
RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 01:48 PM Permalink
Are you talking in the air or is there any proof to substantiate your claim? To the best of my knowledge, Periyar was only reacting to the cunningness of the Tamil brahmins. Even the cunning Dewan Sir C.P. Ramaswamy had to flee Travancore to escape from the wrath of general public as he had connived with the Britishers in supressing the freedom struggle. The Tambrams had committed all sorts of atrocities and were active partners of the Europeans (I am not a brahmin hater and do not hold any grudge against the present generation for the wrong doings of the ancestors or some of them).
RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 01:59 PM Permalink
GO to Dawn News Paper Website and search for Periyar you will get your answer....and all the above facts can be verified on the net.......
South Indian bhramins were highly orthodox so the general public viewed them with hate..........Subramaniyam bharathi was a freedom fighter and the greatest tamil poet was a bhramin ....Tirupur Kumaran was a bhramin.........And the Dark ages of Tamilnadu is known as rule of Kalabhars(Jains).....it was only bhramins who were instrumental in defeating them
RE:RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 02:07 PM Permalink
and Adi Shankaracharya who reconverted the entire Indian nation from buddisium to hinduism was a bhramin......otherwise How there is not much buddisium is active in main land india,inpite of Ashoka conversion to buddisim.....
RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 02:21 PM Permalink
Islamabad Radio till today broadcast 30min of Tamil programme and songs,in external service.
RE:RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 02:25 PM Permalink
What is so great about? Radio Cylon used to broadcast Malayalam programs for one hour every day (not sure whether they are still continuing the same)!
RE:RE:RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 02:24 PM Permalink
This pure non-sense. Adi Shankara did not convert any one to hinduism (even the term "hinduism" did not exist during Adi Shankara's time). There were warring factions like Shivites and Vasishnavites apart from various indigenous factions worshipping "Shakti" etc!
Ashoka did not rule any significant part of South India. He had sent his daughter Sangamitra to Sri Lanka to propagate Buddhism.
The Buddhists do not beleive in any god (or supreme creator). They beleive in the theory of "karma" and "re-birth" and interestingly enough they beleive that the re-birth is based on the "last thought" of the dying person!!
RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 02:48 PM Permalink
The main languages of South India are Telugu, Tamil, Kannada and Malayalam (in the order of population using the same). There are some local dialects without scripts like Tulu, Konkani, etc but they are not considered as separate languages.
RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 02:36 PM Permalink
Are you a neo-convert? I have seen many Christians posting messages like "Adi Shankara" had massacared thousands of indigenous people to propagate hinduism etc as a counter to the Inquisitions carried out by Chruches in the middle ages (you are also not better than us type of argument!)
RE:RE:RE:RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 02:42 PM Permalink
I'am not a neo convert.....but if you feel that you know everything abt south India....pls write the how many Dravidian language exist today and name them
RE:RE:RE:RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 02:29 PM Permalink
the point is Shankarachaya travelled all over India and establish the Matt....the purpose of the same was unite the Indians and bring them back to the Dharma........you are correct the term Hindu was not there but the term used was Sanathana Dharma.....
RE:RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 02:28 PM Permalink
The contents of a news paper web-site is not "gospel truth" ! I am an atheist from South India and know for sure about the Dravidian parties and Periyar more than the half-baked information available on the web.
RE:DMK
by mahabodhi on Apr 30, 2008 05:00 PM Permalink
Please do not insult the great son of India"Periyar"-In Tamil it means the RESPECTED ONE" !He was true Indian in fact knew all south Indian Languages and tried to ensure entry of Dalits in to Temples !which was resisited by the Brahmins!Periyar was born as Erode Venkata Naicker Ramaswamy in Erode in Madras Presidency . He was from a prominent Telugu Balija Naicker caste, a community that descended from the Nayak chiefs of the Vijayanagar Empire. Ramaswami Naicker was born in 1879 into a family of Balija Naidus, a Telugu jati of traders and cultivators and he grew up in Erode, a fairly important mercantile town in the Coimbatore district of Madras" as per Paula Richman in "Many Ramayanas". "Periyar" means 'respected one' or an 'elder' in Tamil.Hence he is sometimes called E. V. Ramaswami Naicker. "Ramaswami" was his given name and "Periyar" means 'respected one' or an 'elder' in Tamil.He is referred as Periyar and a University was named after him by the Tamil Nadu Government]Periyar could speak three Dravidian languages: Kannada, Tamil and Telugu. Though Kannada was his mother tongue, he mostly used Tamil EVR was an atheist, noted for his antitheistic statement, "He who created god was a fool, he who spreads his name is a scoundrel, and he who worships him is a barbarian."
RE:RE:RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 02:46 PM Permalink
if you really know South India name all the dravidian language which are still in existence
RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 02:53 PM Permalink
Gotcha......it is Bhrui or Bhroi spoken in parts of baluchistan in pak.....it is one of the oldest dravidian language
RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 03:34 PM Permalink
........it seems that there is no language called "Bhuri or Bhori" anywhere in the world as no internet search engine is displaying any result for the same.
RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 03:18 PM Permalink
Bhuri is defnitely not a language. All recognized Indian languages are included in the Schedule to our Constitution and Bhuri is not one of them. You can even see all of them on the Indian Currency Notes also.
RE:RE:RE:RE:DMK
by mahabodhi on Apr 30, 2008 05:08 PM Permalink
[edit] EVR and Kula Kalvi Thittam/Hereditary Education Policy Rajaji introduced a new education policy based on family vocation which its opponents dubbed Kula Kalvi Thittam (Hereditary Education Policy). As per this policy schools will work in the morning and students had to compulsorily learn the family vocation in the afternoon. A Carpenter%u2019s son would learn Carpentry, a priest's son chanting hymns and a barber%u2019s son hair cutting and shaving after school in the afternoon.[27] EVR felt that the scheme was a clever device against Dalits and Other Backward Classes as their first generation was getting educated only then.[28] EVR demanded its withdrawal and launched protests against the Kula Kalvi Thittam (Hereditary Education Policy) which he felt was caste-based and was aimed at maintaining caste hegemony. Rajaji quit in 1954 and Kamaraj scrapped it after becoming chief minister.[29][30]
RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 02:50 PM Permalink
The main languages of South India are Telugu, Tamil, Kannada and Malayalam (in the order of population using the same). There are some local dialects without scripts like Tulu, Konkani, etc but they are not considered as separate languages.
RE:DMK
by on May 09, 2008 01:40 AM Permalink
there is a study that dravidians were living in harappan/indus valley civilization which in pakistan now. due to aryan invasion or other unknown reason they moved down to south. refer wikipedia for details.
RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 03:05 PM Permalink
So you are a muslim under an assumed name who wants to attribute everything in India to the Islamic invaders! Great! Continue your misinformation propaganda.
I have not heard of any dialect called "bhuri". What is the population speaking that language?
RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 03:10 PM Permalink
it is not a dialect but a language.....go to wikipedia you will get all the answers.......I'am talking abt a time when there were no muslims but jus tribes in middle east who were so uncivilised that they were sleeping with their sis amd moms....
RE:RE:RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 02:31 PM Permalink
This is no ordinary paper....Dawn is most respected paper of Pakistan......jus go to the search coloum and type E V Ramaswamy....
RE:RE:RE:RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 02:55 PM Permalink
Periyar was a rationalist. There are many problems the world over today due to religious fundamentalism, especially the intolerance of the followers of Semitic religions (Judaism, Christianity and Islam). The religions were created by vested interets to hoodwink the gullible masses. Hinduism is not a religion in its narrow sense. It is a conglomeration of various beliefs and eve non-beliefs (atheists existed even in Vedic periods and were known as "Charvakas").
Since the Brahmins were behaving as if they are the whole-sale dealers of spiritualism, Periyar was against them. Their caste superiority coupled to the natural cunningness of Tambrams became a deadly combination!
RE:RE:RE:RE:DMK
by mahabodhi on Apr 30, 2008 05:05 PM Permalink
Pilgrimage to Kaasi He went on a pilgrimage to Varanasi to worship in the famous Siva temple Kashi Vishwanath in 1904. He wanted to enter a Free-lunch place but finding that it was meant only for Brahmins he disguised himself as a one. But it was discovered that he was not a Brahmin and he was removed from the place.Later he learnt that the Free-lunch place was built with the donation of a Dravidian merchant.[10] He saw the discrimination against non brahmins. He had pictured Kasi as a place where all Hindus would be treated equally. This humililation was the turning point in Periyar's life and after that made a deep wound in the heart of Periyar and it inflamed intense hatred towards the caste system and Hindu religion itself and Ramaswami was a believer till his visit in kasi after his visit his views changed and he became an rationalist.[11] On returning to Erode - his father delegated all his trade rights to this second son and renamed his major commercial concern under the title: "E.V. Ramasamy Mandi
RE:RE:RE:RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 02:45 PM Permalink
Periyar worked for OBC and BC but not for the poorest of poor i.e.Dalits......TN still has one of the most high crime rates aginst dalits go to southern districts you will know....
RE:RE:RE:RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on Apr 30, 2008 02:32 PM Permalink
and for your info periyar was a kannadiga not a tamilian you can verify the same on wikipedia.
RE:RE:RE:RE:DMK
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 02:39 PM Permalink
MGR was a Kerlite while Ms. Jayalalita is a Kannadiga. Periyar was a Kannadiga but he was working among the poorest of poor from TN. What difference that makes to you? I do not give credence to any news paper, least of all a Pakistani one!
RE:DMK
by mahabodhi on May 02, 2008 10:34 AM Permalink
@JGN Nirvana as Moksa Uttaradhyana Sutra provides an account of Gautama explaining the meaning of nirvana to Kesi a disciple of Parsva. [11]
%u201C There is a safe place in view of all, but difficult of approach, where there is no old age nor death, no pain nor disease. It is what is called Nirvâna, or freedom from pain, or perfection, which is in view of all; it is the safe, happy, and quiet place which the great sages reach. That is the eternal place, in view of all, but difficult of approach. Those sages who reach it are free from sorrows, they have put an end to the stream of existence. (81-4) Even In Jainsm the differnce is not much!
RE:RE:DMK
by anuragawasthi on May 02, 2008 11:07 AM Permalink
The concept of Nirvana was derived from the concept of Moksha.....where the soul is liberated from the cycle of Death and rebirth.
Some time back I had read an interview given by daughter of well-known Malayalam writer, M.T. Vasudevan Nair (winner of Janpith award) that she was not able to read and appreciate the works of her father as she had studied in an English medium school and as such her command over Malayalam is very poor while her father was crying hoarse from stage to stage (and in every conceivable forum) about the "demise of Malayalam language and the culture of Kerala!
So language and culture is only meant for the poorest of the poor of the state while the rich and powerful send their children to Doon School or even to other countries for study!
A have great respect for Dr Ananthamurthy as a writer. I would be glad if any one can enlighten me whether he had sent his children to English medium schools or the Kannada medium schools.
RE:Double standard of the so-called intellectuals
by R A Sharma on Apr 30, 2008 01:57 PM Permalink
I think that now-a-days it has become difficult in many localities to find good non English medium schools. All good schools hv converted to English medium ones for earning more profit.
RE:Double standard of the so-called intellectuals
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 02:12 PM Permalink
The mushrooming of English medium schools is a recent phenomena (not more than 20-25 years). Still the majority of schools in our Country are teaching in the local languages.
A week back or so I had read a report in the News Papers that there are more "places of worships" in Karnataka than "Schools" The condition in other states also may not be much different! So we are wasting our time and money on futile exercises rather than imparting quality education.
RE:Double standard of the so-called intellectuals
by R A Sharma on Apr 30, 2008 02:35 PM Permalink
Agreed about the last sentence. As regards schools in local languages, mostly they r government schools. Though teachers there get good salary, now-a-days their standard has gone down due to various reasons (there is a vicious circle due to these reasons).
RE:Double standard of the so-called intellectuals
by JGN on Apr 30, 2008 03:11 PM Permalink
That is not the only reason. Now it is a "dog eat dog" world and every one wants their children to excel in life. So most of the people are rushing to English Medium Schools.
May elder son's two children had studied upto 10th in vernacular medium schools and both are now Computer Engineers (one already employed under Campus Selection) and the second one persuing his MCA.
Education in English medium only gives a head-start over those studying in vernacular medium but has really no significance after 12th std.
The Govt Schools in Kerala are still better compared to the schools in other states.
