RE:Grow up Dr Udupi Rajagopalacharya Ananthamurthy
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 10:52 AM Permalink
Mr/Ms USA, its a well known truth amongst linguists and historians that language is the key to a culture. The decline of a culture begins with the decline of its language.. Haven't you ever wondered why, when you are reading up about a city/state or a country, one of the titles will be "Language and Culture"? There is more to a language than meets the ear! ;)
RE:Grow up Dr Udupi Rajagopalacharya Ananthamurthy
by Suraj Verma on Apr 29, 2008 10:59 AM Permalink
Why dont u write this in kannada and expect people to understand it if they want to!
RE:Grow up Dr Udupi Rajagopalacharya Ananthamurthy
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 11:19 AM Permalink
I dint get your point. Isn't the medium of conversation here English? My intention is to get the message across, loud and clear. Question on what I am saying sunny boy, and I would be happy to debate. Am as much open to other views as I am open to expressing mine! Are you?
RE:RE:RE:Grow up Dr Udupi Rajagopalacharya Ananthamurthy
by Suraj Verma on Apr 29, 2008 11:30 AM Permalink
My Point here is people have freedom to speak, he felt so and mentioned this point. I am a north indian who loves to speak in Kannada, I love kannada songs too.
But it was my wish to learn it, had someone forced me I would have just said WTF and none of ur business.
India itself is great whether it s Delhi,Karnataka or anything.
We have national langauge for it, I hope everyone knows What national lnaguage means.
RE:Grow up Dr Udupi Rajagopalacharya Ananthamurthy
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 12:03 PM Permalink
Not to waste our times on this debate of a National Language, there is none mentioned in the constitution of India. Do have a look on it, if you think I am cooking up facts.. :)
Regarding the other point, it was not at all evident from your previous post what you meant, and how it was relevant to my previous post.
Anyways, I perfectly agree that no one can "force" you to learn the local language, but the locals would be happy if you learn their local language. And in turn this would make your stay pleasant, for yourself and the others. URA did not say force the local language upon them. He used the word "voluntarily".
RE:RE:Grow up Dr Udupi Rajagopalacharya Ananthamurthy
by Suraj Verma on Apr 29, 2008 02:15 PM Permalink
there is none mentioned in the constitution of India. [A] Dude I think u just didnt do ur schooling right? Do U have doubt about it... I think even a 2nd Std student can google it out. anyhow Fun apart.
I agree one can definately put an attempt to learn not only kannada but the number of lnaguage he/she wish to learn. I would rather put ur sentence in a right way " People should learn regional language so that who doesnt know our National language Hindi or english " can do conversation with them too.
To justify on my first comment, I found ur comments baseless". so wrote my first comment.
Never the less I really dont feel that anyone in a domacratic country has a right to force anything to anyone. Be it a poet or anyone, People should realize what they should do and if they feel they should implement. Unless and until your words does harm anyone, any lnaguage is great and we have our national lanugage so that people who migrate from Bengal to Delhi or Hyd to Tamil can use them. Rest all language to learn will strngthen ur skills.
RE:RE:Grow up Dr Udupi Rajagopalacharya Ananthamurthy
by nitin k on Jun 12, 2008 04:54 PM Permalink
I had failed to respond then. Wanted to give you the relevant links.. but rediff blocks it. Just search for "hindi no tthe national language of india".
Once you have done the research, I suppose you you haven't much grown since your 2nd std. ;)
RE:Ban the Linguistic terrorist organisations
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 10:57 AM Permalink
Ok.. we will ban it. Anyways, they are the self appointed language protectors and a lot of their ways dont go down well even with the kannadigas.. I hope it is the same case with people in other states about their linguist chauvinists.. But then what mate? What difference does it make for a "Global Analyst" who is immune to the pulse of the local ?
When people Living in Maharshtra is complelled to learn Marati and the so called intellectuals can do nothing other than debate about that why shouldnt people living in Karnataka learn Kannada.
RE:Whats wrong in it.
by Das on Apr 29, 2008 10:56 AM Permalink
Dont talk like a Idiot. If you Go to Japan do u learn Japanees, Or China and learn Chineese. If so then No body will Go to Other country also. All international flight from India will stop operating. This Guys is talking like a typical politician. Ask this donkey in which school/college his son/daughter is studying. Find out in his house how many Items are there that is not made from Karnataka... I think the "acharya" and "Dr" Part from his name should be removed.
I agree with Dr Ananthamurthy that people who have migrated to Karnataka should voluntarily learn Kannada. I am a migrant myself, but would never shy away from this obligation under the hollow pretext that anyone can settle anywhere in a democracy. One acquaintance of mine - a Tamilian by origin and now settled in Bangalore - said this about Kannadigas: If you walk one step (by trying to learn Kannada), they will walk 10 steps to be friendly with you. I am willing to believe him.
RE:He is right
by Murli on Apr 29, 2008 02:14 PM Permalink
There is a difference between Should and Must. First learn that then comment. A person shying away from national language or global language is born to suffer. Its just an act of showing prudence for nothing.
This man is good author but not a good writer always make controversies with his writing. Commented about BJP, baba bidangiri and on hinduism became enemy of BJP.
RE:Let him send his children first!
by mahabodhi on Apr 29, 2008 10:50 AM Permalink
@Mr. vinayaka kulkarni are you sure of your facts that no one in his speaks Kananada !The Maharashtrians living in North do have prbems /issues !I do iunderstand that !But have you read his Kananad writings in original Kanadda !On the writings of his on certain topics as you mentioned are his own views!does he forces you not to vote for BJP? And any one can iunderstand that you may live in Karnataka -North Dharwad or Belgaum but what you have to say about Bal Thackrey and Raj thackrey!Evert one has freedom of speech!You have your own !Even Bal Thackrey has his freedom of speech!Though he has found to be guilty of breaking the law by the Courts as he was not allowed to vote in Elections once and has made very controversial statemnts his followers admire him which also lead to many unfortunate incidents!But Mr. Dr Udupi Rajagopalacharya Ananthamurthy comments has not made or lead to hooligansism by the great Kanandiga people till date!His writings has not led Kannadigas burn properties and bllo shed in Karnataka!you say what is truth !and with concrete evidence!And I again say that I do understand the probelms /issues of Maharashtrians in North Karnatak!
Dividing the country based on language has turned out to be bad enough. Some people are bent upon creating further rift by raising non issues and periodically arranging agitations, blackening boards put up at a great cost by hiring urchins and getting publicity. Age, awards or education has made no difference in their attitude. It does not bring any credit to these old people if they go in the track of politicians. Parents are quite intelligent these days even in villages and put their children in schools which they can afford and learn a few languages that make them employable. Every child cannot become a Kannada litterateur or software professional!
RE:Language issue
by Abyss on Apr 29, 2008 10:27 AM Permalink
He is not pressing you to learn. he is asking you to learn. did you miss the worl voluntarily. morover, we all should be ashamed of not knowing a regional language of india even after staying there for years together.
RE:Language issue
by nitin k on Apr 29, 2008 10:59 AM Permalink
Forget years mate.. generations of Bangaloreans whose fore-fathers moved to the state refuse to learn kannada!
I don't know much about this writer. But from the above word I can sure he is not aware of Indian democracy where every one has right to live anywhere in India. No need to learn the respective state's language. If I want to live in Karnataka, is learning kannada is the basic qualification. Most of the people working in IT industries in Bangalore are not Kannadigas. If they resign their jobs then Bangalore will be no longer called the Silicon Valley of India. It will become ordinary rural area. Basically we are Indians. We have rights to what to learn and where to live.
RE:People living in Karnataka should learn Kannada
by Rationalist on Apr 29, 2008 10:32 AM Permalink
Bangalore got the tag of Silicon valley long before non-Kannadigas entered Bangalore.
RE:People living in Karnataka should learn Kannada
by S Ramesh on Apr 29, 2008 06:10 PM Permalink
As per world bank's report on 2003, Karnataka is 7th place in Human development index. Kerala,HP,TN,Punjab and AP are in top 5 states in human development index.
RE:People living in Karnataka should learn Kannada
by Murli on Apr 29, 2008 10:16 AM Permalink
Just go out of bangalore and see how much poor is karnataka. They are struggling. These people who call themselves kannadiga while sitting in bangalore really don't know the condition of Karnataka when outside of it. If bangalore survioves on COmputers rest of akrnataka survives only on nariyal and nariyal pani. 15 years back most of the people in bangalore were far from the scene where they are today with poor employement rate, poor infrastructure which still goes today, and substandard education. There is no good government college and governemnt has obliged businessman to rape education as most of the private colegs are in Karnataka who churn out worst stundets. A poor can't study there right from beginning at basic school education..so much bad the condition of these people who call themselves kannadiga. I think they have forgotten their days just 15 years back as well as rest of Karnataka wherr poverty and unemployement is reeling. By doing so they are furhter ensuring that no companies expand there and no outside talents wishes to come there.
