India should welcome Ahmadi Nejad. India should support Shiite Iran as an effective counter to Wahaabi Sunni Terrorism financed by Saudi and facilitated by Deobandi/Wahaabi Pakistan.
Iranian nuclear bomb will act as a deterrent for Paki Nukes and possible Saudi Nukes.
RE:Let us welcome Ahmadi Nejad
by Loan Shark on Apr 29, 2008 01:40 AM Permalink
Iranian nukes, if any, will be aimed as non-islamic countries like Israel, India, USA, UK etc.
Irrespective of Iranian president's visit to India, rejecting the nuclear deal is the actual kiss of death. It appeared that India has, by all means, antagonized the west (the USA) by rejecting the deal AND inviting Iranian's president. So, we have already kissed the death.
Every Indian should now think about leaving the country.
RE:Kiss of death
by purnav on Apr 29, 2008 01:33 AM Permalink
Yes.going by what UPA does,we Hindus will all become like that and eventually be expelled.Only a party like BJP can save all of us
I think...The Title pf aritical is wrong. Ofocurse, Indian PM has many things to learn from Iranian PM. But dont think, this Iranin president has something to give India...He is very orthodox and belives in islamic fundametalism..Bush already told once that Iran may be resposible for 3rd world war...I am 100% agree with him
RE:Iran president visit
by Loan Shark on Apr 29, 2008 01:39 AM Permalink
LOL ... I agree with Bush too. Per Bush's logic, Iraq made them attack Iraq, similarly Iran will make USA attack Iran.
The attempt afoot to anchor Indo-Iran relationship on civilisational basis is misplaced. The ancient civilisation they talk about was buried five fathom deep in the Tigris the day Zoroastrians arrived on our shores as refugees fleeing religious persecution.You don't relate to a memory in a bout of sentimentalism.The horror chambers, the midnight executions, the killing fields in the aftermath of revolution throwing out the Shah regime have only one parallel in history: the Stalinist purges.As in any revolution, after the initial burst of executions, the very enthusiasts of initial round were executed for not being Islamic enough. Thousands were liquidated. Iran is the only country in modern history to have violated the diplomatic immunity and kept the Americans in their Embassay as captives for well over a year and subjected them to mock executions. Today, their nuclear ambition has given rise to deep apprehensions in the rest of the world.Iran's oil and gas are supplied at market price as a pure commercial transaction.Contrast it with the phenomenal income generated by IT and BPO industry, providing millions of jobs heavily dependent on USA that has placed the country among the knowledge capitals in the world.Relationship with Iran should be on an hard appraisal of enlightened self-interest and not as a needless snub to the USA. We have no reputation of being realists, especially when our interests are concerned, be it China or Iran. We can do with an honest introspection.
RE:India - Iran - civilisational relationship
by anish on Apr 29, 2008 01:25 AM Permalink
kid, be sensible, and dont read things into it. iran is india's only option of getting gas and petroleum, after having lost various bids to the chineese. government cat subsidise your petrol for ever, which in reality costs us double to what its been sold within the country. its called sensible politics. iran has petrol and not US, and if we ontinue to crib about it the chinneese will end up stealing that too.
RE:India - Iran - civilisational relationship
by leonard on Apr 29, 2008 12:49 AM Permalink
Krish, That would be applicable if the US had opposed the visit, on the contrary, the US suggested India use the opportunity to caution Iran.
History is to be learnt from not to be ignored
by Guju on Apr 28, 2008 08:34 PM Permalink | Hide replies
Don't be surprised when this man speaks directly to the 4th largest population of Muslims in the world. India has continually pursued a foreign policy that is not based on reality.
a) Communism has failed as an ideology, the proof of the anemic state of Kerela and West Bengal - Yet we continue to pursue relationships with Russia and China
b) Islamic ideology is not a foreign problem either we have experienced this in various states in our own country as well as our neighbors - Yet we pursue relationships with countries like Iran.
The continued pursuit of short term gains is not beneficial to our country. E.g. Any common man on the street understands that the Gas pipeline project would not be profitable when it is to be routed through the territory of a sworn enemy, are we going to be able to protect it in times of war?
RE:History is to be learnt from not to be ignored
by Pradip Parekh on Apr 28, 2008 10:42 PM Permalink
great post and a sound advice. however, i think you should direct your observations on the congressis who have ruled india for the most part.
congressis never saw a foreign policy issue that it did not mess up badly. and it is congressis still continueing the same losers' policies.
RE:History is to be learnt from not to be ignored
by kamaal udd on Apr 29, 2008 12:53 AM Permalink
Yeah, Communism has failed in India, that's why Kerala has highest literacy rate in India, apart from Better Infrastructure and development than BJP states like MP, Rajasthan... India wants to have good relation with Iran not to appease muslims, but to get their gas/oil without which you can't come out of your home...if india can't get it, China and other countries will jump on it. When it comes to getting financial profits, even enemies make compromises...Pak will be benefiting enormously with this pipeline and naturally they will make sure that pipeline will be protected...are you expecting a war with pak in the near future??? They don't have resources for it for atleast 10-15yrs from now.
Problem is you guys are fanatics and can't see anything good happening with Muslims...and good relation of India with Muslim countries...education didn't helped you and still you are a stinking ganwar
RE:History is to be learnt from not to be ignored
by leonard on Apr 29, 2008 12:53 AM Permalink
Guju, I personally dislike the system of communism, however, take a look at China.
RE:History is to be learnt from not to be ignored
by Loan Shark on Apr 29, 2008 01:43 AM Permalink
look at what, that their people have food to eat but no voting right!
RE:Indian foreign policy is the worst.
by kamaal udd on Apr 29, 2008 12:44 AM Permalink
Yeah that's why they buy arms from Israel, send their SPY satellites in space...you don't have a problem with that. Protect other countries interests? WTF, what help are they giving Nepal, Sri Lanka or Bangladesh, its neighbors in solving thier problems? How to support muslim countries? What help did they provided to any muslim country in the world???
Indian engagement with any nations need not be seen as a consequence of or as a response to its relationship with any other nation. Isn't this the basic premise of non-alignment?
Iran is not some 'aire-gair' arbitrary state, it is a major 'civilisational nation' in the world with a prominent place in the human history. Its interaction with Greek and Indian history is significant. The impact Iranian culture has had on Indian langauges, arts and architecture are considerable.
By deepening the ties and elevating the charachter of relationship we need to strive to insulate it from counter-productive intelli-games and geo-political games of many evil minded players; and capitalise it for development and flowering of arts and sciences.
India surely has the latent and presumptive power to straighten out those dirty harries and assert its non-alignment.
RE:assetive non-alignment
by on Apr 29, 2008 01:16 AM Permalink
Vikas...can you point even a single terrorist attack by a shiite militants on innocent people?
RE:assetive non-alignment
by Loan Shark on Apr 29, 2008 01:44 AM Permalink
unfortunately suicide bombers die before one could confirm whether he is a shia or a sunni
how does one tell by looking at a muslim, if he is shia or sunni?
RE:assetive non-alignment
by Ramesh Nittoor on Apr 28, 2008 05:46 PM Permalink
The relationship between two nations is more on the basis of the role of the office and not merely the personality of the incumbent or even the ideology of the dispensation in power. This long term substratum in the relationship should never be given up for the sake of short term exigencies.
Iran has made horrible mistakes, it has also been subjected to horrible treatment. India can be and shall be a mitigating factor and never an aggravting influence as long as it abides by its well developed principle of non-alignment.
RE:assetive non-alignment
by Mahesh Jagga on Apr 28, 2008 06:11 PM Permalink
It was the basic guiding principle of JLN that friendships should be based on ideology and character. And look where we landed up. A defunct NAM and untrusting rest of the world.
Friendships are based on nation's interests - strategic and long term. If being a friend with Iran helps us in long term - its okay - else NAM may go take a hike.
By persuing outdated stratagrams like NAM we will be left with friends like Iran, Cuba, Venezuela and may be Chad.
RE:assetive non-alignment
by Ramesh Nittoor on Apr 28, 2008 06:21 PM Permalink
Your confusion about non-alignment is amazing. Non-alignment is India's internal policy while NAM was a set of third world nations seeking to get past the machinations of the cold war rivalries. It is as if cold cream and ice-cream are similar things!
RE:assetive non-alignment
by Mahesh Jagga on Apr 28, 2008 06:29 PM Permalink
NAM was our declared (from the roof tops - I would say) foreign policy and not an internal policy.
Basic issue here is "what guides the nation's foreign policy?" Some foggy relationship going back to pre civilization days or current geo political situation.
Friends and enemies are not permanent but nation's interests are.
RE:assetive non-alignment
by Muhammed Rashid on Apr 28, 2008 07:00 PM Permalink
Why both of you are fighting? Nehru did a lot of mistakes and lots of good things. He went to UN when Pakistan attacked India in 1948. His 5 year plans atleast showed path to India'a early development. Friendship with Iran will help India in its quest for Petrol and gas
RE:assetive non-alignment
by Ramesh Nittoor on Apr 29, 2008 04:53 AM Permalink
India can and shall moderate the geo-political tensions and reduce the risks of war. Saving innocent lives and according development a priority is reason enough to talk. India surely does not want Iran or Pakistan to be at war with anybody.
Non-alignment policy will insure conformance to international law and define the paramaters of international condict equitibly.
RE:Iran is a bully like China
by Sachin on Apr 28, 2008 06:41 PM Permalink
And what is US's interest in saving Iraq from Iran? Only oil right? So even US is no different China, Iran could be bullies to their neighbours, US doesn't even worry about geography. It will go where there are a few cents to be made, even if it costs others in dollars and in human lives!!
RE:Iran is a bully like China
by Vikas on Apr 28, 2008 07:04 PM Permalink
Its becoz of USA, that Iran is yet able to invade gulf countries. U must remember how Saddam invaded Kuwait. Once Saddam is out of picture, Iran has started similar methods.
RE:Iran is a bully like China
by MURLI on Apr 29, 2008 04:23 PM Permalink
dont bull shit Vikas . USA made sadam and armed him ARM as they failed to loot Iran at the time of shaw .
