These Iranians are dumb fundamentalist.By giving them some air India is not supporting them but this is having an effect on the Iranian Prez which is good. We should be good to them get their oil and dump them slowly but surely like what we did in Indonesia. It shouldn't bother the American as the way these Iranians are going they'll press the self destruct button on their own like Iraq did and then US or someone other power will bomb it and if India has a substantial presence then they can cash on it.
Dear All, In my opinion this is just a cover job to sign Nuclear Treaty with USA. See, India wants some amendments in 123 agreement as it is heavily tilted towards USA. USA wants to do the changes but reluctant because they have to justify it to their people and politicians. They just can not make exception in 123 agreement for India. India o n other hand has to show left and other parties that they are not just all out for USA's nuclear agreement but looking for other options also. In the end, USA may pressurize its policy makers that look India is looking for option and if we dont give him what they want in 123 agreement they will go ahead and sign some deal with IRAN. This way USA will eventually justify its exception for India and ultimately both USA and I ndia will sign the nuclear deal. Iran ploy is just cover to sign nuclear deal.so dont bang your heads on this..Take a chill pill and enjoy life...
RE:This is Diplomacy
by Mehul Vaidya on Apr 29, 2008 05:29 PM Permalink
Precise analysis. This is the reason. And in addition, we can also seal the long pending deal of gas supply which can be good energy option for India. Mehul - UAE
RE:last chance
by ari ben canaan on Apr 29, 2008 05:32 PM Permalink
you talk as if oil's gonna last forever. think futuristic. when it comes to a clash of civilization, iran will mop floors with the face of india. be sensible - for however much bad USA is, we dont seem to have much of a choice, if we are to think of the future. n learn from the past - its always been a western culture to dominate the worldscape. romans, mainland europe or north america or EU. islamic countries are the other name of doomsday theory. so grow up n stop being emotional.
Being in JNU means P R Kumaraswamy is some wooly eyed leftist to conclude "There is nothing wrong if the Indian government concluded that friendship with Iran is more important than the nuclear deal or closer ties with the US.". This is a failty analysis.
Even if this is true from US perspective, then why not view it as a test case of US credential. If they value genuine friendship and accept Indian non-alignment policy only then it makes sense to have deeper trust relationship, including military ones.
RE:Swantantra spirit
by AK Kumar on Apr 29, 2008 11:33 AM Permalink
Nadir Shah epitomized Iran as much as Mahmud of Ghazni epitomized Afghanistan. Both these countries have not changed. They remain what they were centuries back...fundmentalists, intolerant, barbaric and plunderers.
Mahmud of Ghazni was what is Taliban today. And Nadir Shah was what was Khomeini. The present President of Iran is no less.
Every country learns from history except for India who will always bend backwards to lick the boot of all those people who have looted, murdered and plundered India. The leftists ofcourse are rootless nomads who have no nationality, no patriotism, no culture or no belief. They are like locusts who move from country to country in search of pastures of poverty which feeds them. The lesser said or talked about them is better.
RE:Swantantra spirit
by ashok patil on Apr 29, 2008 12:37 PM Permalink
"Every country learns from history except for India " I fully agree with you about this. This seems to be the nature of our Secularism, nonvoilence, non-alignment approach.
RE:Swantantra spirit
by murli nair on Apr 29, 2008 03:46 PM Permalink
the phrase the communists are like 'locusts in search of pastures of poverty which feeds them' is particularly funny ! But you must accept that communism is the best tool to spread education and hygiene.
RE:RE:RE:Swantantra spirit
by trikarn on Apr 29, 2008 05:37 PM Permalink
when did the commies get into the business of selling phenuol /and blackboard?or maybe u mean the cleansing of nandigram offBRN5 people? any way you r the true relative of shadevan!
RE:RE:Swantantra spirit
by ratan goswami on Apr 29, 2008 06:01 PM Permalink
You are of course a stinking polluted communist from Kerala, Communists were and never be a part of India they love to kiss the ars of China becoz they get money from them and their children get free education. There is a big difference in socialist and communist and Indian communist are a pile of shit a jaundice to society and guys like you spread this disease.
RE:RE:Uma bharati and Ahmedinajad
by TruthCom on Apr 29, 2008 09:59 AM Permalink
loving someone is not wrong.. and then this is not at all wrong when he is Govindacharya.....but at least the person who is claiming to distroy Israil not at all good option. very much like extremist. Thouse who couldnt save their Iranian culture want to save world... ha ha ha what a joke
Iran is an irresponsible NATION. Instead of promoting well-being of the world, it causes instability in the world. I can understand individuals behaving irresponsibly, but this is a NATION which is irresponsible.
1. It promotes terrorism by sponsoring and supporting organizations like Hizbollah, and Hamas. It is against the Palestinians achieving a permanent agreement with the Isrealis (which the Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas is working sincerely for), and is interested in keeping the issue alive. It interferes in Lebanon, which is a Christian/Muslim state, where they are trying to achieve a political and economic stability.
2. It denies holocaust which was responsible for the destruction of 6 million Jews during WW2. There is ample proof that a Genocide was committed by the Germans (live films have been shot of the atrocities). It is irresponsible to deny this for narrow political ends (just because they hate the Jews).
3. It is supporting terrorism in Iraq to overthrow the Sunni/Shia coalition govt and install a Shia govt.
Iran used to be a great civilisation under the Persians. Now it is now a renegade state after the spread of Islam.
3. It makes WILD, IRRESPONSIBLE STATEMENTS like they will eliminate Isreal from the face of the earth.
RE:Iran is an irresponsible nation
by Loan Shark on Apr 29, 2008 04:10 AM Permalink
we should try to benefit from Iran-Israel lafada. let's be paly-paly with both and, milk them both!
Indian Hindus, especially the ones living abroad, are delusional to think that USA, UK and Israel will make India their permanent friend or ally and there will be peace thereafter. There are no friends in the dirty game of politics there are only USERS. And don't you guys feel it is a bit sad that out of those nations that India shares a border with it hasn't made a single friend. The list is neverending, Pakistan, China, Bagladesh, Sri Lanka, Burma and Bhutan. None of these countries are friends of India. Also, say if tomorrow some military power, most likley China attacks India full force, who do you think will physically come to India's aid. I am not talking about the run of the mill condemnations issued by UN and every country. I am talking about an actual military involvement. The answer my friends is NONE. They say that for every enemy you create you should create two friends. But unfortunatley for India's foreign policy or lack of it it has done nothing of the sort. India currently is about Muslim hatred. That seems to be the obsession and ignorance ofthe day in this country. And just to prove that I want you to take a look at the responses to my post by Hindu fanatics and Muslim Haters who will talk ad nauseum about the Mughal rule and Muslim intolerance. It is all too SAD! India is a deeply religously divided country and Pakistan and other enemies love to take advantage of that fact. I am no fan of Pakistan but what does an Indian Muslim think when they hear slogans
RE:Is India always looking for more enemies?
by Sharad on Apr 29, 2008 04:23 AM Permalink
I fully agree with you that USA will not support us. USA never supports any country IDEOLOGICALLY. It only supports in a narrow SELF INTERST perspective. Isreal is really in no position to offer any support to India, because it is not a global power. Nations operate on a GEO-POLITICAL STRATEGIC perspective. Individuals, on the other hand, express their opinions on an IDEOLOGICAL plane.
That's the reason you find Muslim haters. They hate for the reason that Muslims (no matter how educated they are) defend atrocities committed in the name of Religion, and do not come out in the open criticising terrorism. I have a number of Muslim friends, but I have never heard them criticising suicide bombers who kill innocent citizens, they always have a 'BECAUSE.....' clause in their arguments.
If some Hindu fanatic or religious leader proposes VIOLENT BEHAVIOUR, I will immediate reject it. RELIGION IS NOT IMPORTANT FOR ME ABOVE THE HUMAN LIFE. NO IFS. NO BUTS.
Nobody can make anybody feel LOVE for others. Love or Hate comes naturally from the heart. Individual behaviour is natural, whereas NATIONS' behaviour is contrived and always POLITICALLY EXPEDIENT.
RE:RE:Is India always looking for more enemies?
by sudhir SHENOY on Apr 29, 2008 05:12 PM Permalink
RE:Is India always looking for more enemies? by kamath mahendra on Apr 29, 2008 05:08 PM This is not an issue of religion but of internaional politics. I simply don't understand why some people have to pick up the issue of religion in any topic, and try to stress too much that India is about Muslim hatred. If it was so, then none of the Muslims would have been living in this country just like Pakistan drove off or is trying to do so with other people in that nation. This, I feel is totally foolish response to an issue which discusses about existence of India in the international scenario. Why include words in response as Hindu fanatics and Muslim haters??? Is anyone of our PM or Iran's president anything of the two - Hindu fanatics and Muslim haters??? This shows your narrow mentality or fanaticism of trying to stress and impose again and again that you are oppressed in this country, which leads to more hatred towards Hindus and the country as a whole. In that case, please leave this country. Already we are divided so much, don't fuel more problems. If you are really true Indian at heart, you will never think as Hindu, Muslim, etc etc. You will always think as an Indian. Be Indian first.
RE:Is India always looking for more enemies?
by Shameer on Apr 29, 2008 11:24 AM Permalink
In the name of religion...?...come on Sharath.. Who created Isreal in the name of religion...Muslims....or the combined west for their narrow vested interests. Get your facts correct.
RE:Is India always looking for more enemies?
by Sharad on Apr 29, 2008 01:39 PM Permalink
Isreal/Palestine issue is essentially CLOUDED BY RELIGION. YOU GUYS HATE THE JEWS ever since your Prophet's time. DON'T DENY IT. IT IS SO MUCH IN THE HISTORY OF ISLAM EVEN BEFORE MODERN political issue between Isreal and Palestine.
RE:Is India always looking for more enemies?
by Loan Shark on Apr 29, 2008 04:07 AM Permalink
Right, there are no friends just people acting where interests are aligned ... India must therefore align its interests with other countries as the need arises ... that's what diplomacy is all about. We don't want to make enemies, we want to be paly-paly with everyone.
RE:Is India always looking for more enemies?
by Patro on Apr 29, 2008 12:25 PM Permalink
i fully agree with you my friend. our peoples generally and politicians particularly knows how to hate/devide others at first on the name of religion then on the basis of religion cast language etc.
RE:Is India always looking for more enemies?
by Loan Shark on Apr 29, 2008 04:08 AM Permalink
we should sleep with anyone and everyone when it serves our interest .. just not marry or divorce anyone.
RE:Is India always looking for more enemies?
by raman govindan on Apr 29, 2008 06:14 PM Permalink
India is not friendly to USA and UK not for the reason it will be made an ally or that it will be supported by them if China attacked India. India is second most populous country in the world and it should take care of it's own security. Apne haath Jagannath!
India's miiddle class is english speaking or knowing, secular and has similar diversity as that of USA in ethnicity. The migrants to the USA came from England,Ireland, Germany, Spain, Italy,Poland, Russia and several other European besides african countries. similarly India had already 12 major language speaking people besides several other languages.
The ethnic composition is more or as diverse as that of USA and UK. we led by example very much earlier than the multi ethnic, linguistic, religious Europian community even before it was conceived and made a reality. There are other factors besides the above that can make nations friendly besides religion and common ehtnicity.
Indians were cultivating USA even when Pakistan was a member of SEATO, CENTO, Baghdad pacts led by USA and Nato nations and it diverted and used the arms and aircraft supplied to it against India. It is not muslim hatred but secular, rational, liberal and democratic attitude that draws India and the USA/European community together.
RE:Is India always looking for more enemies?
by kamath mahendra on Apr 29, 2008 05:08 PM Permalink
This is not an issue of religion but of internaional politics. I simply don't understand why some people have to pick up the issue of religion in any topic, and try to stress too much that India is about Muslim hatred. If it was so, then none of the Muslims would have been living in this country just like Pakistan drove off or is trying to do so with other people in that nation. This, I feel is totally foolish response to an issue which discusses about existence of India in the international scenario. Why include words in response as Hindu fanatics and Muslim haters??? Is anyone of our PM or Iran's president anything of the two - Hindu fanatics and Muslim haters??? This shows your narrow mentality or fanaticism of trying to stress and impose again and again that you are oppressed in this country, which leads to more hatred towards Hindus and the country as a whole. In that case, please leave this country. Already we are divided so much, don't fuel more problems. If you are really true Indian at heart, you will never think as Hindu, Muslim, etc etc. You will always think as an Indian. Be Indian first.
RE:Is India always looking for more enemies?
by sudhir SHENOY on Apr 29, 2008 05:12 PM Permalink
RE:Is India always looking for more enemies? by kamath mahendra on Apr 29, 2008 05:08 PM This is not an issue of religion but of internaional politics. I simply don't understand why some people have to pick up the issue of religion in any topic, and try to stress too much that India is about Muslim hatred. If it was so, then none of the Muslims would have been living in this country just like Pakistan drove off or is trying to do so with other people in that nation. This, I feel is totally foolish response to an issue which discusses about existence of India in the international scenario. Why include words in response as Hindu fanatics and Muslim haters??? Is anyone of our PM or Iran's president anything of the two - Hindu fanatics and Muslim haters??? This shows your narrow mentality or fanaticism of trying to stress and impose again and again that you are oppressed in this country, which leads to more hatred towards Hindus and the country as a whole. In that case, please leave this country. Already we are divided so much, don't fuel more problems. If you are really true Indian at heart, you will never think as Hindu, Muslim, etc etc. You will always think as an Indian. Be Indian first.
RE:ISLAM
by Loan Shark on Apr 29, 2008 01:47 AM Permalink
That's why our VP Ansari will come in use now ... what good is having a muslim VP, if we can't ask him to help milk the Islamic countries.
RE:ISLAM
by Palani on Apr 29, 2008 11:21 AM Permalink
People try a lot to malign Islam. They just quote out of context and trying to show that quran teaches violence. They abuse Prophet PBUH without knowing the facts. When they have their own scriptures why don%u2019t they follow it? But they should understand that in this world muslims practicing Islam are more in number than any other people practicing their religion. They prayers are continuously taking place in this world nonstop. If it is dawn prayer in India then it will be noon prayer in Australia. With few minutes interval the prayers will be in progress all around the world nonstop. The rituals in Makka also taking place without stop. Every year increased number of Hajj pilgrims coming for the hajj pilgrimage.
Quran is the living scripture recited every minute at any part of this world. It is existing without any change. People who could not keep their scriptures alive tried to change the verses of quran and failed.
More than 60000 books have been written against Islam and quran. All vanished within days.
RE:RE:ISLAM
by Asheesh Sinha on Apr 29, 2008 12:42 PM Permalink
And the people who wrote those views against islam also vanished, along with their families.. thanks to the tolerant muslims
RE:RE:RE:ISLAM
by Vibhakar Kelkar on Apr 29, 2008 05:06 PM Permalink
Very well said, Islam does not tolerate any attack on it like other peaceful relition. The attackers will be eliminated. That is why it is called most peaceful relition(?)
