Richard Boucher's statement needs to be properly analysed. Rediff asked him a very convenient question to which he had a ready answer! It is very clear that either Rediff is also a party to this fraud or plainly naive and outright ignorant. Why did Rediff ask him if the Hyde Act was binding on India once it signes the 123-deal? It is such a foolish question with a hundred holes for the other party to walk out without leaving any tracks behind. After all every American spokesperson has clearly said that American Presidents are bound to America's domestic laws and America's domestic laws supercede all bilateral or multilateral treaties that any US Administration, present or future, enters into them with any one or group of countries. So what does it mean? It means that the moment India signs the 123-deal, it has to start working towards operationalising it. This means opening up of all the designated nuke facilities to inspection, dismantling new ones under construction,stopping all future nuke development plans. Besides, India also has to start investments (of billions of dollars)for purchase of US nuke power plants, etc. After sinknig all this investment imagine a situation which forces India to test a nuke bomb. Then the Hyde Act binds US to stop all cooperation as it supercedes 123-deal. So as Boucher said while India is not bound to Hyde Act, but US is!American Attorneys will tell you how right they are!! That is typical American fraud which we sample even now with MNCs!
RE:The Typical American Fraud
by Chakravarthy Muralidhar on Apr 24, 2008 01:37 PM Permalink
Besides, look at the way US is behaving, asking India to advise Iran to stop Uranium enrichment. This even before India has tied up into any strategic alliance with US. Imagine what will be fate of this country after it signs the 123-deal. They will become even more strident and arrogent once India falls into the 123-trap. This is a unique trap which will bind the country financially, politically, militarily and even civilizationally. India as a nation will become subordinate and subservient to the 'great American super power civilization'. Once the 123-deal is set into motion, steadily India's strategic defence infrastructure and future plans will fall under the purview of intense US surveillance. The strategic think-tanks will be filled with US moles who will work solely for their masters. Besides, these 'think-tanks' will steadily bind India to US interests by committing trillions of dollars of taxpayers money to buy US products and systems. There will be no way of reversing or turning back once this happens. That is how the British enslaved us, though they had to do it physically then. Now it will be done using modern communication and information channels which will be even more constricting and suffocating than physical subjugation. Unfortunately, we have all western indoctrinated psuedo-intellectuals who have no power of independent thinking. Our PM MMS is a typical psuedo-intellectual with no power to think independently. He is a slave of the Gandhi family!
RE:The Typical American Fraud
by Sebastian Cherukanam on Apr 24, 2008 01:22 PM Permalink
US tactics is pretty simple. They allow their diplomats talk every here and there and if they see it boomerangs, the big guns will distance themselves away from it. If it goes well, it will become their policy from then onwards. India should take a strong stance not against such blah-blah but against this US tactics so that they will be forced to restrain themselves from making such irresponsible and nonsense statements.
It is strange. You are not seeing what the USA already did in Iraq, Vietnam and Japan. How they control the elected government in Pakistan and in many other countries. You are just imagining what Iran, North Korea or some other nations would do with the Nuclear Bomb which they don`t have in their arsenal. I strongly believe that Iran`s Nuclear program is for nuclear energy only. And even if it is for Nuclear Weapon, how can India ask Iran not to proceed further? Will India protect Iran in the event of a US invasion on Iran? Don`t say that the USA will not invade Iran. What they did in Iraq based on a false intelligence report is still there in everybody`s mind. I repeat what I said earlier that is it is not Pope`s blessing but prosecution that is what Bush deserves. And Pope`s duty is not to go to the USA and bless Bush but to go to the millions who are starving everywhere in the world especially in the underdeveloped and developing nations if he is the true follower of Jesus.
It is not just Muslims who are fundamentalists but all believers are fundamentalists and for peace to be prevailed, everyone should start looking beyond their religions which will help them to come out of the cocoons they are in now and to see not believers but only living beings, the wonders of this world. Please let the new generations live here peacefully.
RE:India must say sorry to RUSSIA for the lackadaisical attitude shown in recent times.
by Sebastian Cherukanam on Apr 24, 2008 01:23 PM Permalink
US tactics is pretty simple. They allow their diplomats talk every here and there and if they see it boomerangs, the big guns will distance themselves away from it. If it goes well, it will become their policy from then onwards. India should take a strong stance not against such blah-blah but against this US tactics so that they will be forced to restrain themselves from making such irresponsible and nonsense statements.
We have enough of this nuclear deal, I can't take any more. I think we should leave it to the leaders of the country to decide and stop discussing among ourselves. There is no way we can make a difference through our discussion in the process of making this deal happen. If the Indian leaders are so stupid to reject the deal, then so be it. Lets discuss something else. Its enough.
RE:Leave it to the leaders
by Sharad on Apr 24, 2008 12:58 PM Permalink
Don't give it up that easily. I am glad that Indians are able to discuss issues of national importance, and are making their opinions known, whether FOR or AGAINST. Before INTERNET came, we did not have the opportunity and we were voiceless except at Election time. The official media was GIVING US THEIR OPINION. We never had a chance to express ordinary citizens opinion on a daily basis. THIS IS IMPORTANT IN A DEMOCRACY, and this is how INSTITUTIONS become strong. This is the first time, the official media (news organizations) are able to get instant access to public opinion and YOUR OPINION SHAPES THE MEDIA'S OPINION. THIS IS GREAT. KEEP IT UP, WHETHER YOU ARE FOR OR AGAINST the nuclear deal.
RE:Leave it to the leaders
by SRINIVASA GOWDA on Apr 24, 2008 01:03 PM Permalink
U mean to sya that Deal must be signed. Then what about my apprehensions? Well, discussion is always good as it enhances one's skill, knowledge and here its a matter of Indian Security and benefits.
We all will end up paying moe for energy and thats for sure. So when Public are already crying over inflation at present, just imagine how many like u wil be ready to pay the entire cost of electricity, hopefully derived from this deal. So what will govt that time do is taht, they will buy more from World bank and keep burdening Indians with more of repay-back-ment
Signing the same will avail all internal nuclear documents available to US. Also for every nuclear devlopment we will have to share our knowledge with US and thus their permission.
Any nuclear devlopment and US will be ready to finger point and attack India.
Too many gossip and abusiveness are in the media. As a responsible citizen of any country, you cannot be specific ideologist as far as International Diplomacy is concerned.
You have to be a trader so tamed and disciplined. You have to decide on the risks and the benifits you derive. But any uneducated/illinformed/ inferior person ( not measured by any University degree/Doctorate but by seasoning to the environment)personal at helm of affairs make things only worst for the country and the world.
This is applicable to all. whether he is Pranab/Ahmedinjad/Bush/Karat/Commies or so. If they have some vested interests it is to still larger extent. So you have to decide whom you entrusted the assignment. Then keep qiet.
But teh question is that Hyde Act has 2 important provisions viz: * if India conducts Nuclear test, usa alone can call-off the deal and ask for returning of supplied fuel. * Reuse ofSpent Fuel is not allowed.
Both the clauses must be removed form the Hyde act if Its meant only for providing the provisions for Nuclear deal, then why these two alauses are there. Rediff stressed on just the layer of the doubt but seems like Rediff reporter didnt have any clue of these clauses. usa as always uses her words very cleverly and if in future deal is called-off, same media and we will blame the govt but we must also know that we ourselves didnt know much.
Untill these two clauses are out, Nuclear deal Mustnt be Accepted by Indian Side and ABOEV ALL, INDIAN SCIENTIFIC AND DEFENCE COMMUNITY MUST AGREE FOR THIS DEAL. WE CANT BELIEVE ON THESE POLITICIANS.
RE:Well that sums up most BUT...>>>>
by SRINIVASA GOWDA on Apr 24, 2008 12:05 PM Permalink
BTW, whats making usa so desperate for nuclear deal. Remember, Hyde act also wants full access to the Nuclear Installations in India, some of which are for strategic and offensive use of Nuclear weapons. recently we have read in rediff itself as to how usa embassy personnel had links with RAW member and spying on Idnian defense and tactics. usa is HIGHLY UNDEPENDABLE COUNTRY WHICH ALWAYS HAS HIDDEN MOTIVES. USA CREATED A BIOLOGICAL R&D IN IRAQ IN EARLY 1980'S AND IN 1992 ATTACKED IRAQ AND DESTROYED IT BUT NOT FULLY. HOW DID USA GOT TO KNOW ABOUT IRAQ HAVING NUCLEAR AND ONE-BUTTON TRIGGER WEAPONS? SISNCE THEY SPIED BY BEING IN IRAQ.
SO NO ACCESS FOR ANY AMERICAN PERSONNEL CAN BE GRANTED TO ANY NUCLEAR INSTALLATIONS IN INDIA UNDER THIS DEAL.
Shri Advani have been invited by Kerala Christian Leader to inuagurate the 90th Birthday celebrations of Phillipose Mar Chrisostum, former supreme head of church.
RE:it is proved
by Mathew KMathai on Apr 24, 2008 12:04 PM Permalink
Mr. Advani & Marthoma Church Mr. kumar has a misgiving. Marthoma church was always leaning to truths and Justice. Marthoma Church was among the first to react against Emergency by Mrs. Gandhi and she even consulted to arrest then Marthoma, and then withdrew from the decision. But in this case the invitation to the function is purely on personal relationships. Metropolitan does not consider any creation of God as untouchable. Rather it is the principle of the Church & Mr. Advani is a long time friend of the Bishop. This is known to all in the Capital. This is my personal observation and conclusion. this is purely for your information
RE:it is proved
by murli nair on Apr 24, 2008 02:34 PM Permalink
I wish all fanatics are vehemently criticised by intellectuals of all religious hues. But unfortunately this is not the case.
RE:it is proved
by Bond on Apr 24, 2008 11:45 AM Permalink
If any church leader has invited Advani,it means Bjp is the only hope,What if he had invited Mayawati? Dont jump to conclusion so fast,Christians dont involve themselves in dirty politics.Its only that they are honouring a senior politician of India.
RE:RE:it is proved
by rajeev krishnan on Apr 24, 2008 12:15 PM Permalink
Don't talk foolish, everyone in Kerala know christians rule kerala using their political / religious clout. Most of the business are run by christians and there had been instances where they have threatened adminstrative / judiciary powers using the religion.
It is good to see that rediff.com was able to extract a straight answer from horse's mouth, point blank. Everyone kinows Hyde act will prevail upon other countries as far as Nuclear policy is concerned. Holding both these acts U S is in no lose situation. Using both these acts, US can tame India to their will.
Whatever hue and cry Karat & Co., makes, the policy will remain, as majority of Indians wants it to be implemented. With only barks from two states K & Co., cannot dent the determination of Pranabji.
RE:Hyde & 123
by mahabodhi on Apr 24, 2008 12:04 PM Permalink
It si good you agree that Two states do not mateer!referring to left opposition of NDEAL?But why you are silent on BJP which rules more than 7 ? states ans large following than even Congress at present !The BJP is clearly against the NDEAL ?And that matters?but you speak of only left which does not matter?So why BJP against the NDEAL ? Forget about Commies but talk about BJP ?that's the main issue!Even for UPA!As it is going to be election issue to in next elections!
RE:Hyde & 123
by rajeev krishnan on Apr 24, 2008 12:18 PM Permalink
U sick, if there is an opportunity of providing alternative in lesser price for nuclear energy.....why should v go for this?
RE:Our leaders said globalization is good. Indian people suffered a lot. N-Deal did not allowed by the Left. People of India escaped from the web of the US.
by chaitanya lala on Apr 24, 2008 11:11 AM Permalink
Thank you Mr.Sahadevan KK for your comments. Now stop commenting on every article & go back to some useful work.
Whether we like it or not it is ultimately Hyde Act that will govern US nuclear policy with other countries. Let us not be naive or foolish to believe that if for some reason the US-India Nuclear Deal turns sour, India can claim any damage under the 123 Agreement. US will certainly cite Hyde Act and escape culpability. Beggars cannot be choosers & in this deal we know who is the beggar.
RE:Waste of time!
by Himalay on Apr 24, 2008 11:23 AM Permalink
There 100 other countries in this whole world, why US deceided to have Nuclear deal only with India. Point is this Nuclear deal is beneficial to both US & India. There is equal benefits for both the involved parties in this.
RE:Waste of time!
by Secularism on Apr 24, 2008 01:39 PM Permalink
Pastor Walter Masih was brutally assaulted allegedly by VHP workers in Jaipur. A year later, he is making desperate pleas for justice because the BJP govt in Raj. refused prosecution of 14 accused & closed investigations.
The invitation extended to top BJP leader L K Advani by Mar Thoma Metropolitan Joseph Mar Thoma to attend the 90th birthday celebrations of Valiya Metropolitan Philipose Mar Chrisostum is developing into a stormy controversy within the Mar Thoma Church.
Advani has been invited in person by Joseph Mar Thoma to inaugurate the birthday celebrations in Kottayam on April 26. The decision was taken by the Metropolitan without discussing it in the Bishop Synod or the Church Council.
The meeting decided to give a memorandum signed by 10,000 believers to Joseph Mar Thoma requesting him to cancel the invitation. Former clergy trustee Rev. A P Jacob presided over the meeting.
This is a truth that killer RSS is now hardly trying to find a safer place between Indian people. The same people engaged now to join people who has been continuously trying to divide and attack.
